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Public Option Advocates To Push Medicare For All If Supreme Court Strikes ObamacareTPM
The progressive activists who put the public option at the heart of the health care reform debate in 2009 and 2010 will return in 2012 to press Democrats to back a single-payer system if the Supreme Court throws out the Affordable Care Act on Thursday.
For progressives, Medicare for all or a similar approach was always the ideal way to address the soaring costs and widespread un- and underinsurance that defined the countrys broken health care system. But Democratic leaders believed an approach along the lines of Mitt Romneys reforms in Massachusetts would stand a better chance of attracting Republican and conservative Democratic support in Congress, and foreclosed on the single-payer model without giving it any legislative consideration.
To keep single-payer supporters in their coalition, though, Democrats pledged to fight for a Medicare-like public option that would allow consumers the opportunity to buy insurance directly from the government. They ultimately abandoned that idea as well.
Thats why the same disappointed activists arent sweating Thursdays Supreme Court ruling. If the health care law fails, they believe it will open up a whole new set of political and substantive opportunities for liberals.
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)At least in the short term. In the long term, I suppose it is true we might have a better health care system a decade or so hence.
Bryant
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)Just sayin'
PB
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)ACA is essentially a tax except instead of the money going to the government who then pays medical providers, it goes to private insurance companies who pay medical providers.
Direct single payer care would probably be a more efficient system.
Even if ACA passes it doesn't preclude single payer sometime in the future.
Single payer will be a fight either way but with ACA as a precedent I'll be it would be easier.
If SCOTUS only kills the mandate then insurance prices could skyrocket to cover the cost of insuring pre-condition patients. That would create such pain there might be a push to get the insurance companies out of the health business and go with a controllable single payer system.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... but the skeptic in me says nothing will ever change for the better for The People.
Nothing short of Universal Health Care will solve the problem. We are a society enslaved by corporations that has our government in it's pocket.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I see the SC's move (guessing a partial or whole strike down) will embolden healthcare opponents not public healthcare proponents. This move will set back any real change, not move Medicare for all forward.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Medicare For All was the right solution in 2009, is the right solution now, and is the ultimate destiny at which our nation will arrive. The only question is whether Democratic leaders are strategic enough to start the process of marching through that door as it opens, said Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. If the Supreme Court is so political that it overturns the Affordable Care Act despite clear legal precedent, that illegitimate ruling would call for outrage but it also would blow the door to Medicare For All wide open. The march to Medicare For All would be a marathon, not a sprint, but an absurd ruling this Thursday would be the opportunity for Democrats to start marching.
Moreover, the argument goes, it would create for Democrats a useful tool to bring Mitt Romneys radical plans for Medicare into sharper focus.
If the Supreme Court opens the door for Democrats to campaign in 2012 on Medicare For All and Republicans are left campaigning on Paul Ryans plan to end Medicare, that clean contrast could be the game changer that gives Democrats a clean sweep in November, Green said.
Obama kept these more aggressive reformers at arms length during the year-long fight over the Affordable Care Act. But in the run up to an election, and if the conservative Supreme Court deals a death blow to Obamas signature legislation, the calculus could change.
We would certainly encourage him
to say, OK the court didnt like the way this law was drawn up, ok then lets go back to square one, lets do a law that has no constitutional problem Medicare, Idelson said. And they could probably do this in one page.
unhinged1
(20 posts)I am very scared about Thursday. This will directly impact someone I love in a big way if the Activist Court overturns the law. I do have hopes regarding the election though, maybe we can get the House back.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)In 2012, the House of Representatives is in Republican control. If they couldn't get it earlier, they sure as hell aren't going to get it now. There's an election this year, I understand. Perhaps we can all work our asses off and put the Democrats in charge of Congress again. That seems like a good idea to me.
Uff da!
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)If we get a ruling that even ALLOWS a public option, how would we get it through Congress?
The votes were not there in 2009, and there are fewer votes for it now, probably even fewer next year.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Let's just do what is possible according to the Congressional GOP and Blue Dogs.
eomer
(3,845 posts)The final bill was a budget reconciliation bill and wasn't (couldn't be) filibustered. So a public option could have been passed with a simple majority in each body, meaning that no Republican votes were needed and no votes from the last few Democrats were needed. The President and the Democratic leadership of Congress killed it for their own reasons.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)I just don't buy that it's all the for the noble reasons they claim. Advocacy can bring in a few bucks, support a few blogs, direct a few hits to one's designated website, and bring notoriety to the "advocate". I'm thinking of one in particular.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)THIS ISSUE is the plank that makes the Platform...
For a while, it seems the General Public has viewed the message of the Dem's as "We aren't Republicans."
Meanwhile, the GOP gets to stand firm on a platform of "Vote for us, we hate government, we will always BE FOR hating government."
The Dem's need something to stand firm on. Win OR lose. Whenever someone plays the word-association game, it should look like this:
"Democrat?"
"Universal Single-Payer Healthcare. Everyone gets to go to the doctor. Medicare For All."
Every Dem that gets the privilege of being introduced on television AS a Democrat should repeat those words, EVERY TIME. They should interrupt conversations to make sure it gets said. (Fuck Decorum). They should go down into the reddest of red districts and hold campaign events alongside PARTY-SPONSORED Free Clinics. Anything and EVERYTHING that will help people understand that THIS is THE ISSUE that Democratic Politicians will live and die by until it's done. Because it's not just their own (political) life or death they are facing, its the health and well being of every Person in this nation.
It can be done. Any Dem. that thinks its too hard, can run as a Republican in the next election. Fuck 'Em.
But, that's just my 2 cents, and I don't run the Party. (Probably it's better that I don't heeheehee.)
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and it could start with an executive order from the White House immediately lowering eligibility for Medicare to 55,
NOT as "Health Care Reform", but packaged as "Emergency Relief" for unemployed & unemployable in a High Risk group.
Lets see the Republicans attack THAT!
Expanding eligibility to ALL would then be an easy next step,
with MILLIONS marching across the campaign stage thanking the President for his leadership.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)It's all the same thing. Instead of propping up the insurance corporations like the ACA does, we could switch to the single payer system, like every other country in the world. But no, we have to do things that profit the corporations!!
lovuian
(19,362 posts)yep
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)Sadly, I'll be part of a significant minority after the noise machine gets done with it.