As Some States Slip into the Past, the Kinfolk Say 'Move away from there!'

[MineralMan]

Seriously. We're watching as some states work to shift time back over 60 years. For women, especially, freedom is being taken away. The only real response is to pack up and get out, I think. Close your businesses, sell your homes, and move to a state that respects your rights.

[KittyWampus]

1. The response, actually is to do some investigating and find pockets of people...

that are open-hearted. Turn that town/county into a 'Sanctuary' and start hosting refugee families.

Abandoning areas is not appropriate. It results in balkanization.

[MineralMan]

2. I'm really talking about losing individual rights,

like the right to choose how you deal with reproductive situations. Moving to another town won't get it done. Many states are working on laws that essentially remove the right of choice. Other states appear to be rolling back racial equality progress. While staying and fighting such things is fine, if that's your choice, leaving is another option. Not everyone is up to the fight, but still wants to live in freedom.

There are a number of states I simply would not live in under any circumstances. Ever.

[hatrack]

7. Balkanization? That ship already sailed, IMHO

Decades ago, in fact.

[WhiteTara]

3. In Arkansas, they just signed a law that says

a rapist can sue a woman if she has an abortion! But of course, there is nothing that says he must pay for the child's care. Such horrible SOBs run our backward state.

[MineralMan]

4. I'm in favor of turning states like that into

ghost towns, frankly. Just freaking leave the state. I know that can be a difficult choice to make, but things are not going to get better soon. They're truly not.

[WhiteTara]

6. Where should we go, MM?

The sea of red covers the state. Shouldn't we work harder to turn it blue or at least purple? I wanted to go to Costa Rico, but my beloved who is almost 80 doesn't think he can learn a new language and doesn't want to live in a tiny English speaking enclave, we can't afford California, I hate Oregon and Washington is too rainy.

Help me out here.

[MineralMan]

9. You'd have to leave the state, itself.

Not an easy decision, but consider the chances of turning your state blue or even purple. What are the odds? That's a nice sentiment, but I can't see how some states will ever move away from their conservatism.

[WhiteTara]

10. But you didn't answer my question

Where would we go? Look at the map. It is a sea of red.

[MineralMan]

12. Well, I moved 2500 miles from California to Minnesota.

My wife and I moved to help care for her parents, both of whom are now gone. We like the political environment here, but not the weather. We're beginning to consider our next move. We can't afford California now. So, where will we go next, assuming we do decide to move?

It took a few days to drive a moving truck from CA to MN. Otherwise, it was the same as moving to another part of town, really. We moved ourselves. I'm too old to do that again, so we'll either have to hire movers or take a small fraction of our stuff and buy new stuff in the new place. Probably the second choice would be better. I'm not married to my furniture and other possessions. They sell that stuff everywhere, and I prefer to buy used things anyhow.

Any move is hard. But, the distance isn't really much of a factor.

[WhiteTara]

14. We moved from California to Arkansas

for me to help care for my mother before she died. I agree, things are nothing. I have no attachment to things and think that an auction would be a great way to go for getting rid of everything...the auctioneers do it all, sort, clean, sell and give up the money! But where?

[MineralMan]

15. I don't know where. It's a big country.

Takes some research, really.

[WhiteTara]

17. Ah, well. Presenting problems

without solutions doesn't help much.

[MineralMan]

18. How could I present a solution that would suit individuals?

Where to move? I don't know where anyone would move. I know that I would not stay in a place where my rights were being taken away. Where would I go? Well that's my decision. Where anyone goes is an individual choice. I don't make other people's choices for them. I leave that to others.

The solution is to get the hell out of a dangerous place. Where to go is a detail.

[dgibby]

19. What about Virginia?

We're Blue and fighting to keep it that way. We could use your help. The state is beautiful and has a little bit of everything, mountains, ocean, history, etc. Full disclosure: I'm a native Virginian, lived here for the 1st 22 years of my life, spent 22 years in the Navy, another 20 in S.C. (got caught in the housing mess). I could have moved anywhere, but chose to come back home, and am glad I did.

[WhiteTara]

20. Thanks for the referral.

I'll do some research. We have certain criteria for a place to live. We have in the past talked about Virginia.

[delisen]

5. How about moving INTO small population states ?

Progressive people in Wyoming for example might welcome a large influx of liberal Democrats. As little as 200000 voters moving in could change the dominant politics. Perfect for intentional communities, environmentalists, people who work from home. Great possibilities.

[MineralMan]

11. Just 200,000?

Well, OK, but that's a lot of people, actually. Why would they make that choice? I can't think of a single reason, for example, that would entice me to move to Wyoming, for example. I've been there, and not much about it is appealing to me. I work from my home, and always have, so I can live anywhere I choose that I can afford. I could afford to live in Wyoming, but there's nothing there, really, that might attract me to that state, and more than enough to keep me away from Wyoming, Montana, and other states in that area.

Where will you find the 200,000 people? That's the question. And how long will it take to get them there and shift the political environment. I'd be dead for years before that ever happened.

[geek tragedy]

8. that won't help things from our point of view

the tide will turn when our blue voters disperse from our urban citadels

[Freddie]

13. But why should we have to game the system?

If the majority of voters live in urban areas why shouldn't they win elections?? The gerrymandering of America by the EC is only going to get worse.

[geek tragedy]

16. it's not gaming the system. The rules are the rules, and they won't change until

we can win enough elections to change the rules.

A big problem with liberals all trying to live in cities is that it drives the cost of living WAY up. Not everyone can live in Manhattan or San Francisco.