Impeach Him, Republicans. Do It Now!

[MineralMan]

That's what I find myself thinking more and more often each day. As we learn about Trump signing things he has not read, and taking off for Florida after just two weeks on the job, it is becoming more and more clear that we have someone in the position of President who is wholly unqualified and unsuited for that weighty job.

His staff, reportedly, wanders around in the dark when working evenings, because they can't figure out how to work the lights in the West Wing. How can such a thing be? The White House has a staff of maintenance people. Can the staffers not ask someone where the light switches are, if they can't find them on their own.

The White House in 2017 is beginning to sound like the next sequel to "Dumb and Dumber."

So, you Republicans in the House: Impeach Trump. Republican Senators; Remove him from office after the House impeaches him. I'm sure you'll get bipartisan support from your Democratic colleagues.

Just do it and get it over with. I don't like Pence, but at least he's smart enough to hire people who can work a light switch, I'm sure.

[manicraven]

1. I agree! What are they waiting for? He's mentally ill!!!

[starshine00]

2. I think they will just because he is a hemorrhoid to deal with

Pence will be their lapdog. But I think they will get their aims done first. Trump will be a martyr to the crazies he wants to exploit financially if he is impeached, being president is probably a huge pain in the butt to him and he will probably be ready to shed it soon enough.

[dalton99a]

3. Problem is Trump telegraphs his intentions pretty well and Pence is a cold-blooded snake.

It's a choice between two lunatics.

[MineralMan]

6. Trump is, quite literally, dangerous to this country.

His stupidity when it comes to international relations could end up getting us in a war. I don't want a war, thanks. He has no sense about any sort of diplomacy. He lies. He calls people names. He will get us killed.

Pence is an asshole. But, he at least has some experience in government. We can't redo the election. We can't install a Democrat in the White House right now. But, we can help get rid of a moronic maniac in that office. I suggest we work to do that as quickly as possible, before Trump decides that dropping a nuclear device somewhere makes sense to him.

[dalton99a]

9. I agree that Pence is less dangerous

I think he'd banish Bannon and his gang, and restore some calm and dignity to the White House.

[bdamomma]

18. calm and dignity

he is going to create a theocracy. Both tRump and Pence want the end times.

These a$$holes have got to go.

[ProfessorGAC]

20. Exactly How?

People keep saying that but i remember Jerry Ford. He was actually an honorable man and a Rockefeller republican (you know, the sane kind of "R&quot but he tripped once, Chevy Chase did a spoof on that, and Ford became a national laughingstock. You take over for a disgraced president and the stench stays with you. Pence would have no clout whatsoever.

[NewJeffCT]

29. I agree that most likely Pence would be irreparably wounded

if Trump were impeached.

However, here in Connecticut, when our Republican governor of 10 years, John Rowland, resigned rather than face impeachment over corruption charges, his Lt Governor for those 10 years took over. For some reason, the stench of Rowland's corruption never attached itself to Jodi Rell, even though she was his Lt Governor for that entire time. She was immediately thought of as a breath of fresh and the media treated her as such - the local editorial cartoonist at the Hartford Courant took to drawing her as Snow White because she was so pure. (There were a few hints of some corruption in her administration, but the media never did anything with it - it just died)

Two years later, in 2006, Rell won re-election for Governor over Democrat John DiStefano by the HUGE margin of 63-35% in a state where Democrats have a 2:1 edge in registration over Republicans. She retired in 2010 rather than run for re-election.

[ProfessorGAC]

33. Well, OK

That's is reasonably scary, but national disgrace and statewide disgrace are a little different because there may be people in a state who actually know a governor and like them personally. That is untrue of a president who takes over due to a resignation in disgrace. The number of people who actually know them and like them may be the same, but it's by definition a far smaller proportion. Just take your state, NewJeff. CT is what, 1.6% of the population of the country? I live in IL and we're only a little over 3% of the whole country. CA maybe a bit less so since their 9%, but still...

That personal connection just doesn't exist, nationwide, for a guy from a relatively small state like Indiana.

[Perseus]

35. If there is to be a war

don't you think they have already discussed and decided on that?

We have to understand that Trump is not making the decisions, they are just letting him act "presidential" (just kidding!), well, they are letting him act...but the decisions are being made by Pence, Ryan, McConnell, Bannon, and the rest of the evildoers.

The situation is most delicate than anyone thinks at this time, getting rid of Trump, and the World is all for it, will not get rid of the backups.

[brooklynite]

4. "unqualified" and "unsuited" are not impeachable offenses...

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The more venting and frivolous demands on this matter, the less you're likely to actually convince anyone of the need for Impeachment in the future.

[MineralMan]

7. High Crimes and Misdemeanors are whatever the House

decides they are. They impeached Clinton for a consensual blowjob, for pete's sake.

How about issuing an unconstitutional executive order and collaborating with Putin? Those are at least "Misdemeanors," I'd think.

[brooklynite]

14. We collaborate with foreign leaders all the time; you'll need to prove that it's criminal.

More to the point; while Impeachment can be anything the House decides it is, you have to prove something sufficiently to get Republicans to act. Venting like this won't have any influence.

[mnhtnbb]

16. They impeached Clinton for LYING under oath about both the Paula Jones affair

and his relationship to Monica Lewinsky AND for obstructing/impeding the investigation of the Jones case.

Trump lies all the time. Constantly. That's what pathological liars do. Somebody needs to get him under oath on some issue
and then catch him in a lie.

He really is incapable of doing the job. The latest tweets are showing paranoia ( anything negative is fake news/erroneous polls).
If there were any Republicans with any kind of spine at all, they would trigger the 25th Amendment to insist on a panel of
psychiatrists/psychologists to interview him to ascertain his mental fitness for the job.

[pat_k]

12. "maladministration" or "neglect of duty" are impeachable:

Post below
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028604507#post8

Not to mention that all his financial conflicts, and abuse of power to destroy financial system so his "friends" get loans by leveraging at about 40 times value is criminal conduct for any government official.

[bdamomma]

23. You know

not that I do not appreciate DU opinions. But shouldn't the lawyers weigh in on this illegal matters. Oh by the way, were are the lawyers??

[DinahMoeHum]

5. Pence, McConnell and Ryan are playing Trump for a chump. . .

. . .methinks.

They'll squeeze him like a lemon, and when they've got what they wanted, then they'll impeach him. If he doesn't resign by then.

[MoonRiver]

11. They will blackmail him into resigning, at the appropriate time.

Guaranteed.

[pat_k]

8. Yep. Maladministration, neglect of duty...

Don't even need to go after him for his crimes and conflicts. Maladministration and neglect of duty is plenty, and apparently easy, peasy to prove.

Limits on Presidential Impeachment.
http://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1074&context=facpubs

IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES ARE NOT LIMITED TO CRIMES
. . . the Framers almost certainly intended
that presidents be impeachable for conduct not technically criminal.
During the Constitutional Convention debates in July 1787, the delegates
twice voted in favor of the general proposition that the president should be
removable for "malpractice or neglect of duty."{12}
Many delegates spoke of a body of offenses outside the common law crimes for
which presidents and other federal officials could be impeached, using terms such as
"maladministration, .... corrupt administration," "neglect of duty," and
"misconduct in office." {13} On August 20, 1787, the Committee on Detail
reported to the Convention that federal officers "shall be liable to
impeachment and removal from office for neglect of duty, malversation, {14}
or corruption."'

P.S. Malversation was a new one on me. It's defined as "improper or corrupt behavior in office, especially in public office."

[MineralMan]

10. Yes. The House can use whatever they wish to impeach.

As you report in your quote.

[Pacifist Patriot]

13. If ever there was an occasion for Amendment 25 Section 4 to be executed.

[MineralMan]

19. Actually, impeachment is easier and requires about the

same commitment from Congress. 25th Amendment solutions are way, way to complex, frankly, and require cooperation by the Cabinet. Impeachment is far simpler.

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. I've been hoping he'd just figure out he hates it and quit.

[MineralMan]

22. I still think he might do that, eventually, but

the amount of harm and damage he could do until then is horrifying. I'm no longer willing to wait for him to quit. He needs to go. Now. Waiting is no longer an options. That he did not even read the EO that installed Bannon, an avowed anarchist who wants to tear it all down, to the NSC is all the evidence I need. He simply is not competent to be the chief executive of this nation. He is a danger to us all.

[HughBeaumont]

15. Fat Chance. They're just as mentally defunct and cash-fattened as he is.

It's only until he screws with the handlers and their business that they'll put him out on his ear and install "Their Guy" (Pence).

That's the rub, ain't it? Trade Plutocracy for Theocracy. Some menu.

[world wide wally]

17. If Congress will not impeach him, it is for a very good reason...

They are the ones telling him exactly what to do. The craziness is his, but the actions and policies are theirs.
It would be hard for them to make a case without incriminating themselves unless it is done for mental deficiencies

[bdamomma]

24. then we get this from McConnell

he has to go to. Does he want to see the destruction of the US?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1692453

[MineralMan]

25. McConnell doesn't give a damn.

Look at him. He'll be dead soon. He's old, unhealthy and is essentially moribund.

He doesn't care about anything except leaving a good inheritance to his family.

[redstatebluegirl]

26. The staff is Black, some of them have never had a conversation with a Black person.

[MineralMan]

32. Ah, you know, you're right.

And they probably don't much like Trump and his merry band of hoodlums much, either.

[guillaumeb]

27. Reagan was just as unqualified, and just as mentally incompetent.

And Reagan lasted for 8 years even as the corporate media covered up the fact of Reagan's incompetence. Trump is the large distraction that people will focus on while the GOP dismantles every vestige of the New Deal.

[Perseus]

37. Not that I liked Reagan

but you have to admit that he had real charisma, and he knew how to play the part. Reagan did act presidential, he could relate to foreign leaders very well and had class, he was able to talk to the entire country, Trump only talks to a small segment. Trump is the perfect example of "A monkey in silk is still a monkey", he has no class, and his apartment may be covered with gold, but he has no class, a reason why the real NY elite has never accepted the clown.

I am not defending Reagan, but I don't think the comparison is valid, well I guess I am defending Reagan a little bit...I just like to give credit where credit is due.

[guillaumeb]

39. Even a "b" movie actor has some talent.

And yes, Reagan could pretend to be the President. But Reagan presided over 8 years of massive class warfare and dismantling of the New Deal.

And Trump will distract, like Reagan did, while the GOP does the same thing again. I think Trump appeals to the millions of angry racists who know that something is wrong but cannot understand why things are wrong.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

28. There is only one reason they haven't started impeaching him already

His cult followers.

Republicans fear two things...an armed rebellion by Trumps fringe lunatic followers and getting voted out of office by them.

The second the Republicans are convinced that most people who voted for Trump want to get him the hell out they will impeach his ass faster than flies surround a cow patty.

[notdarkyet]

31. How many rump aides does it take to turn a light on? All of them

Because They are to stupid to ask for information.

[LiberalLovinLug]

44. Exactly

Putting aside for moment that I also think they haven't squeezed out all the orange juice they can yet in demolishing everything Obama ever did as in dismantling Wall Street regs, clear cutting and mining of National Parks, lowering emission standards, defunding public education and social security...etc etc...

Impeachment hearings can drag on for months, look at Bill Clinton's. During that time the deplorables will be organizing and maybe (what am I talking about ...WILL) be helped by mother Russia along with the Brietbart & his billionaire racist circle funding.

It could even lead to the opposite effect. That one by one frightened Republicans hearing from back home, will renege on impeachment support until Trump "wins" again. Then it would only get worse, with the Don now bloated even bigger with a (self-perceived) renewed mandate and no way to stop him.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

47. Trump is losing support more every day

He's putting the country more and more at risk each day. All one has to do is look at German history to see what can happen when politicians try to appease lunatics with a lot of supporters just to try to avoid conflict. It leads to shit like the holocaust. That is why Democrats need to pressure Republican law makers. If your elected officials are Republican then harass the bejesus out of them until they do the right thing.

[Fritz Walter]

30. Not until the numbers change

I saw the results of a poll this morning:
40% of the American public want to impeach his sorry, flabby, orange ass now;
48% do not want him impeached; and
12% are undecided.

I'll leave the pondering of where the 12-per-centers' heads are for another place and time.

But the Repukes would see open, heavily-armed revolt by the deplorable base if they even tried to start impeachment now. And they still need the support of the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers, especially to build up their campaign war chests for what they know will be a hard fought re-election bid.

[guillaumeb]

40. So 48% of those polled like what he is doing, or want to give him more time. eom

[Fritz Walter]

45. I think the term "sheeple" applies here

Until they actually lose their health insurance -- or the jobs to which that coverage is attached;
Until they lose their Social Security or Medicare benefits that sustain their retirement standard-of-living;
Until their own civil liberties are shredded, including and especially their right to vote;
Until their family members are detained, (it's highly unlikely that they'd be deported if they're naturally-born citizens under current executive orders, but speaking or writing against the #SCROTUS can't be far behind);
Until the newly-liberated banks and mortgage brokers foreclose on their homes, and they end up living in their cars, or -- shudder -- their in-laws' basements; or
Until their favorite newspapers, network TV channels, websites (including DU, HuffPo, or others who challenge Drumpf and his policies), or even social networks (Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, etc.) are either shut-down or so heavily censored as to render them mute;...

Will they wake up to what has been happening.

But by then, it will have been too late.

Resist now, while you still can!

[guillaumeb]

46. To your point:

I submit this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028590920

And I agree that many Trump supporters are relatively clueless because they feel the effects of Trumpism will not affect them personally. The ultimate in short sighted selfishness.

[Perseus]

34. Although getting rid of Trump would be nice

we all need to understand that he is just a vile decoy, the hate he brings about helps those behind the scenes to bring about the bills, executive orders, etc., that will bring USA democracy to its knees.

Although I want to be able to not see Trump, hear of him, talk about him anymore, he is not the real danger, the ones behind the scenes, who ARE intelligent and evil need to go as well.

Would impeaching Trump get rid of Bannon, Ryan, McConnell, etc.? Let us not forget that with Trump gone, Pence takes his place.

[yurbud]

36. Maybe the maintenance people are turning off the lights, then making themselves scarce

When Schwarzenegger was governor her in CA, I couldn't figure out why anyone answered the phone for him or put toilet paper in his executive pooper because of his attacks on public workers.

That is also what should have happened to a lot of Republican governors who attacked public workers--a lot of slow walking, misplacing things, and generally making life hell for them.

[Xolodno]

43. Schwarzenegger rented out a suite at the Hyatt when he stayed over night in Sac.

But most of the time commuted back and forth by plane from his home in Brentwood. Jerry Brown is the first Governor since Reagan to actually use the Mansion.

As for his offices in the capitol, well, they are also used by other officials....who happened to be a majority of Democrats.

And lets be blunt, it could have been worse. This was the only time circumstances were just right for a Republican to take the office, Schwarzenegger cock-blocked Daryl Issa thankfully and denied him a larger role on the national stage. Now that con is lucky to hold onto his seat.

[yurbud]

49. Arnold ultimately decided it was more important to finish without being hated, and governed a bit

more like a conservative Dem.

I don't think there's much chance of that happening with Trump though.

[Xolodno]

38. I think they will, once Trump has outlived his usefullness.

The GOP painted themselves into a corner with their opposition to Obama and outlandish ideas. Now they got to deliver on those outlandish ideas which all will crash and burn, but whoever puts them forward is going to go down with them.

So the Muslim ban, building a wall, China is the enemy, etc. will pan out to be really bad ideas and drop away for a very long time. Once that's done, suspect the FBI will drop a few bomb shells and a dead body to boot that either forces Trump to resign or get him tossed out.

We'll get Pence for a few years, but that's all he'll need to get what they want for the time being.

Obama said he wanted Trump to succeed...but he really didn't say at what. Maybe he wants him to succeed at massive failure that finally returns some sanity to DC.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

41. It is far too early for impeachment.

Quite frankly, he hasn't screwed up enough stuff yet. Soon enough he will do, or attempt to do something so truly awful that the Republicans will finally get it that he needs to go.

We haven't seen anything yet.

[ehrnst]

42. Impeaching Lord Dampnuts is the first step

Then we work on Pence.

We have shown that we outnumber them all.

[rock]

48. Oh no! Not that! He's the greatest thing that has ever happened FOR the Democrats

He's the yuuugest albatross (or if you prefer white elephant) that the Republican Party has ever seen. The longer he's in there, the more damage he does -- to the Republican Party.

[ck4829]

50. Will sanity prevail?

[HopeAgain]

51. Not Going To Happen Folks!

The Republican agenda of outlawing abortions, allowing churches to politic, gutting regulations in favor of unfettered capitalism, destroying public education, etc,. etc., is a wet dream come true for the majority party in both houses. Even with Pence waiting in the wings, the Republicans know that such a distraction would hurt what is surely a chance to shove ALL their policies through during this window of opportunity.

They would tolerate Putin himself signing their legislation if necessary to get it through...