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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:19 PM Feb 2017

tRump told press aboard Air Force One this last weekend...

...that he wasn't briefed yet on the Flynn/Russian call and connection yet we find out now Yates informed him a month ago.

This needs to be put under a microscope.
Why did he lie?

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tRump told press aboard Air Force One this last weekend... (Original Post) SHRED Feb 2017 OP
If he has dementia or reading comprehension issues, is it still considered a lie? LonePirate Feb 2017 #1
He doesn't have dementia simguy225 Feb 2017 #7
One does not negate the other. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #9
Very true simguy225 Feb 2017 #45
welcome to du niyad Feb 2017 #23
Thanks. simguy225 Feb 2017 #42
mobster too. bdamomma Feb 2017 #34
Thanks simguy225 Feb 2017 #43
he's a lying bullying assholes who also seems to be developing dementia Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #37
Could be right simguy225 Feb 2017 #44
I decline to invent excuses for him gratuitous Feb 2017 #40
Are you kidding me? Why did Trump lie? He lies about EVERYTHING! mnhtnbb Feb 2017 #2
It's impossible to believe that his supporters are fine with all these lies unitedwethrive Feb 2017 #3
This is why supporters are okay with lies: Amaryllis Feb 2017 #13
They are listening to entirely different "news," but even when actual facts get through, deurbano Feb 2017 #14
Totally agree - I thought about pouty mouth - in that asiliveandbreathe Feb 2017 #4
Yates didn't inform him. She informed White House counsel, Donald McGahn. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #5
So this will give tRump a pass? SHRED Feb 2017 #6
It doesn't give him a pass, Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #8
Fair enough SHRED Feb 2017 #11
Among other questions they need to answer. :) Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #27
Agree. McGahn is the person on the hot seat now Justice Feb 2017 #32
She also informed Pence in late January. #PenceKnew . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #21
There's still a link to go before it establishes Trump was lying. Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #25
Yes. Purge Pence first. He's a christo-fascist, a term I don't use lightly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #29
Not a bad idea - that's how we got Ford - Ms. Toad Feb 2017 #31
Thank you!!!! for the FACTS. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2017 #53
Well - he did say he didn't see the Washington Post report. jmg257 Feb 2017 #10
Not so easy being POTUS, is it Trumpo? Dustlawyer Feb 2017 #12
The media and Republicants put that microscope mikeysnot Feb 2017 #15
And they were swinging said microscope like a club ck4829 Feb 2017 #50
It was only a matter of time before he checkmated himself nt Cognitive_Resonance Feb 2017 #16
Is there proof that Yates told Trump? Renew Deal Feb 2017 #17
I'd like to see the proof that she informed Pence mainstreetonce Feb 2017 #30
WaPo: Justice Dept. warned WH Flynn could be blackmailable. Pence knew and covered up. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #39
She told WH counsel, they told trump. trump asked WH counsel to check on legality. jmg257 Feb 2017 #52
Why did he lie? NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #18
I'm convinced Der Fuhrer is entirely financed by Russia and if he doesn't do what they want, Vinca Feb 2017 #19
Taking it a step further homegirl Feb 2017 #24
Purge Pence first. He knew in late Jan. & covered up. Then impeach tRump. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #38
too much money, power, greatness, winning - how can he be expected to remember? NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #20
So-called P45 bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #22
All I know is Jack. Jack shit. elehhhhna Feb 2017 #26
He lied because his lips were moving. Cary Feb 2017 #28
It's so obvious... but I guess we have to play the game world wide wally Feb 2017 #33
Ask Putin workinclasszero Feb 2017 #35
What did the President know and when did he know it and why didn't he know it sooner? tclambert Feb 2017 #36
L.I.A.R. spanone Feb 2017 #41
Spicer's claim in the presser was that Trump was responding panader0 Feb 2017 #46
Here it is... ksoze Feb 2017 #48
What did the President know and when did he know it? n/t bear425 Feb 2017 #47
Good question ck4829 Feb 2017 #49
Sort of - he was asked what 'he thought of the reports that Flynn had conversations'... jmg257 Feb 2017 #51
Liar. spanone Feb 2017 #54
don the con is a sniveling coward and a liar. Cha Feb 2017 #55

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
1. If he has dementia or reading comprehension issues, is it still considered a lie?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:22 PM
Feb 2017

Regardless, he is unfit to serve.

 

simguy225

(80 posts)
7. He doesn't have dementia
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:34 PM
Feb 2017

To anyone who has been paying attention for 30 or so years, he has always been a lying, bullying, asshole.

 

simguy225

(80 posts)
45. Very true
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:08 PM
Feb 2017

I just like to remind people that his lying isn't something new to be blamed on dementia- he's been a lying asshole his whole life.

 

simguy225

(80 posts)
44. Could be right
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:07 PM
Feb 2017

I just sometimes read the dementia thing as being an excuse, when he has been a liar his whole life. I just don't want some to think this is new.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
40. I decline to invent excuses for him
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:57 PM
Feb 2017

Let President Trump answer for himself, if he can. A simple recitation of the facts and the timing, and ask the president why he claimed as recently as this past weekend that he didn't know a thing about Flynn's possible problems. Let him come up with his own excuse for feigning ignorance to the media.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
3. It's impossible to believe that his supporters are fine with all these lies
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:26 PM
Feb 2017

Clearly he was lying in this instance. And given his track record for honesty, you'd think it would be even more obvious. Clearly, we are so divided in this country that they don't care. I don't know how we can recover from such division.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
13. This is why supporters are okay with lies:
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:38 PM
Feb 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/02/07/i-understand-now-the-trump-administration-is-right-about-everything/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.1ec05c7d7548

"There is a much simpler explanation for the list of Secret Media Terrorism Coverups and the Bowling Green Massacre and the “alternative facts” than this idea that somehow, the Trump administration is making up facts or misleading the American people. Nonsense. They are doing the best they can with the facts they have. They simply have come here from an alternative universe."

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
14. They are listening to entirely different "news," but even when actual facts get through,
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:40 PM
Feb 2017

they don't care. It's all about 'winning'... and especially crushing the Democrats. They have zero principles and don't give a rat's ass about lies, corruption, etc. (ad nauseam), except when they want to project their own side's nefarious characteristics onto their 'enemy' targets. (Like Clinton.)

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Totally agree - I thought about pouty mouth - in that
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:27 PM
Feb 2017

interview - ohhhhh gee - duhhhh - I will look into that.....duhhhhh - that needs to be played over and over..

Hey Comey where for art thou...our brother our keeper...ye right!

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
8. It doesn't give him a pass,
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:37 PM
Feb 2017

But the revelation that Yates told White House counsel a month ago doen't prove Trump was lying on Air Force One, as claimed in the OP. If McGahn told him, then he was lying. But that link has to be established to prove his weekend comments were a lie.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
32. Agree. McGahn is the person on the hot seat now
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:34 PM
Feb 2017


https://lawfareblog.com/spotlight-will-now-shift-white-house-counsel

"Yesterday we learned that Acting Attorney General Sally Yates told “the White House counsel” late last month that she believed Flynn had misled senior administration officials about his Russian communications and “was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail.” As the Post notes, “It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.” In the coming days it will be crucial to ask what McGahn did with this information, and when, and why."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/donald-trump-white-house-counsel-donald-mcgahn.html

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
25. There's still a link to go before it establishes Trump was lying.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:26 PM
Feb 2017

Not excusing the behavior, or the administration. Just wanting to be clear about only calling Trump a liar when there is an unimpeccable line of dots connecting him to knowing the truth.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
53. Thank you!!!! for the FACTS.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 06:26 PM
Feb 2017

And Yates found out about it before the Inauguration.

the question now is what did the WH counsel do with the info????

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
10. Well - he did say he didn't see the Washington Post report.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:39 PM
Feb 2017

When asked about the "reports", he said 'I don't know I haven't seen them - what report is that'? - the press clarified and said the WaPo report. He said he "hadn't seen that".

http://www.mediaite.com/online/i-dont-know-about-it-trump-says-hes-unaware-of-reports-that-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russia/

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
12. Not so easy being POTUS, is it Trumpo?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:32 PM
Feb 2017

8 years and Obama didn't have any major scandals and the minor things were usually Trumped up (pardon the pun) BS pushed by desperate Republicans.

Trump keeps throwing out scandals to keep the media off the scent of his criminal conduct!

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
15. The media and Republicants put that microscope
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:46 PM
Feb 2017

away right after the election... you know the one Obama and Clinton were under for the last 8 years.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
30. I'd like to see the proof that she informed Pence
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:32 PM
Feb 2017

I believe Pence knew, but I would like to know where the proof is.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
39. WaPo: Justice Dept. warned WH Flynn could be blackmailable. Pence knew and covered up.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:57 PM
Feb 2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html

Justice Department warned White House that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail, officials say
February 13 at 11:17 PM

The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior administration officials about the nature of his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current and former U.S. officials said.

The message, delivered by Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that ­Flynn, when asked about his calls and texts with the ­Russian diplomat, had told Vice ­President-elect Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the 2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the ­information.

Flynn resigned Monday night in the wake of revelations about his contacts with the Russian ambassador.

In the waning days of the Obama administration, James R. Clapper Jr., who was the director of national intelligence, and John Brennan, the CIA director at the time, shared Yates’s concerns and concurred with her recommendation to inform the Trump White House. They feared that “Flynn had put himself in a compromising position” and thought that Pence had a right to know that he had been misled, according to one of the officials, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
18. Why did he lie?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:54 PM
Feb 2017

Because that's his default reaction to everything. In this case, I think even he knows the Flynn/Russian conversation is a serious issue, if only because someone he trusts told him so.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
19. I'm convinced Der Fuhrer is entirely financed by Russia and if he doesn't do what they want,
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 01:56 PM
Feb 2017

down comes the house of cards. Flynn should be arrested ASAP or at the very least his passport should be confiscated. Next thing you know he'll be back in Mother Russia shining Pootie's boots.

homegirl

(1,429 posts)
24. Taking it a step further
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:22 PM
Feb 2017

we have to remove #45 from the White House before Putin does it for us. Visualize the horror of Putin releasing the video of Donnie's sex party in Moscow to the world!


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
38. Purge Pence first. He knew in late Jan. & covered up. Then impeach tRump.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:51 PM
Feb 2017

Like Ford was better than Nixon's VP Agnew. Ryan wants 2020 or more likely 2024 and won't take VP slot.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
20. too much money, power, greatness, winning - how can he be expected to remember?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:06 PM
Feb 2017


Donny's a real busy guy!

bucolic_frolic

(43,181 posts)
22. So-called P45
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:16 PM
Feb 2017

is not accustomed to transparency or answering to anyone let alone the public

He's used to the boardroom

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
36. What did the President know and when did he know it and why didn't he know it sooner?
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 02:41 PM
Feb 2017

Was he covering up, or was he out of the loop and clueless about what his key staffers do?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
46. Spicer's claim in the presser was that Trump was responding
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:11 PM
Feb 2017

to the question: " Have you seen the Washington Post story..."
I don't believe him--does anyone have the video?

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
51. Sort of - he was asked what 'he thought of the reports that Flynn had conversations'...
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 04:09 PM
Feb 2017

He asked "what report?" They responded about the WaPo report. He said he hadn't seen it.

Not going to be a lot there I think.

Obviously he knew about the issue - Yates had told them Jan 26 there was troubling information about the calls.

Likely trying to keep it hushed, at least until the WaPo report got legs and they had to act.

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