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Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
1. Wait for the next one
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:48 PM
Feb 2017

Flynn's resignation wasn't public knowledge until last night. Seriously, they have hit bottom and continue to dig.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
5. And it was late last night, after all the polling had been completed.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:54 PM
Feb 2017

So it wasn't a factor at all.

The important thing isn't Flynn's resignation but the fact that the resignation will lead to coverage of the entire story, and people who don't know much about it yet will start to learn about it.

Sean Spicer is spinning like crazy trying to make this about Donald Trump being a strong man who doesn't tolerate people lying to him. Some people will actually fall for that but hopefully most won't. The GOP base will believe anything he says but independents are much less likely to accept it. I hope they see it for as bad as it is.

The main result might not be a significant further lowering of his poll numbers but rather a hardening of the low numbers he already has. In other words, it will become difficult for them to recover. Remember when George Bush commuted Scotter Libby's sentence? It didn't cause his numbers to dip too much but it solidified his lack of popularity with those who already didn't like him.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
10. Trump blew the Spicer/Riebus coverup today by whining that it was the fault of the "fake media"
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:43 PM
Feb 2017

According to Trump today, Flynn is a great man, and his departure was entirely the fault of the "fake media" (whatever that means). Of course no mention of the fact that Trump himself fired Flynn. Then he started complaining about leaks, again (funny -- he loved wikileaks during the election!).

The Spicer narrative about "eroding trust," a bunch of nonsense word salad that was (imho) clearly Priebus/Spicer composed spin on the Flynn debacle, was just destroyed by Trump himself -- who as usual had to wander off-message and bitch about the "evil fake media" (add bwahahahaha sound effect). Trump is such an insecure ass that he couldn't take any responsibility, as in "I asked for the general's resignation as my trust in him is no longer secure...blahblahblah" but instead he had to blame the media, again, and implicitly admit that he doesn't think that Flynn did anything wrong -- well, except for the fact that Trump got caught.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
4. His voters don't care about treason.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 03:53 PM
Feb 2017

They just know that Trump signed a bill this afternoon that means they will get their jobs back.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
7. I'd say probably close to his floor, unless something happens to make him look "weak"
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 04:05 PM
Feb 2017

Trump supporters don't care about policy they just want a strongman to protect them from everything they are terrified of. Incompetence and stupidity won't faze his people. Looking weak, on the other hand, will destroy him. That's why SNL bothers them so much.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
8. Today was his fourth straight day at 40 percent job approval. This is emerging as the new normal.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:23 PM
Feb 2017

We'll see if all this stuff with Flynn makes his numbers drop even more. As I wrote above, I think the major effect will be to solidify his numbers at the 40 percent level.

http://pollingreport.com/djt_job1.htm

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
11. I don't think it will fall much lower than 35-40%
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 03:44 PM
Feb 2017

That seems to be the support level, where only his true deplorable fans support him. He would need to start a war/crash the stock market/etc to make it drop much lower.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
12. I agree that it would take a lot to get his numbers to drop much lower than 35 percent.
Wed Feb 15, 2017, 04:00 PM
Feb 2017

But a drop from 40 to 35 is not insignificant.

Also, as wrote above, the most important thing is that the numbers may be solidifying at 40 percent and it may be getting harder for them to recover too much.

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