Apparently T has no idea how deportation en masse affects the economy. No GOP objection?

[Amaryllis]

I live in a state where we have many undocumented workers planting and picking produce. It is well known that produce costs will go up, way up, without them.
This is just one small example- there are dozens or even hundreds more.
Then there are the tech workers. I would think there would be a massive outcry from that industry like there was with the travel ban.
Immigrants are so integrated into every aspect of our economy.


I know T is totally unable to see cause and effect, but what I don't get is that GOP is so into $ and protecting the bottom line...are they so shortsighted, or is there something here I don't get? Some of them are smart, like Collins and McCain and you'd think there would be blow back from business and industry leaders..

[flygal]

1. This will be the first wave of regretful trump voters

I've heard a few interviewed on NPR who voted for trump but need their undocumented workers for ag work.

[greymattermom]

2. Didn't they listen to what he was saying?

Those folks he was planning to deport are their undocumented workers. Will he make the temporary visa he uses to staff Mar A Lago very easy to get?

[flygal]

4. One woman said "well I'm pro-life"...

[sarcasmo]

5. That's the 53% of women who voted for the Charlatan, one issue voter.

[boston bean]

11. have a good life then, with no business.

[logosoco]

3. It is surely going to have am impact.

I was wondering about what exactly happens to the people. DO they take them to the border and drop them off?

I feel so bad for these people. They are willing to do such hard work for such low pay, and then they get treated like dirt.

[Amaryllis]

7. I've wondered all that too, as does anyone with a heart.

But the humanitarian aspect is not something we expect those in power to consider. But the bottom $ line is important to them, so it doesn't make sense from that standpoint. Maybe xenophobia trumps any foresight.

[csziggy]

6. The GOP should know the consequences - Georgia ran into problems a few years ago

When they had a crack down on undocumented workers:

The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires
May 17, 2012
By Benjamin Powell

To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.

The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgia’s immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bill’s authors, said at the time, “Our goal is … to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.”

Now he and others are learning: Be careful what you wish for, because you may get more than you bargained for.

Georgia’s law, similar to those in Alabama, Arizona and a few other states, gives police the authority to demand immigration documentation from suspects when they detain them for other possible violations. The law also makes it more difficult for businesses to hire workers and creates harsher punishments for those who employ or harbor illegal immigrants.

More: http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#53e7eabd404a

[former9thward]

10. So what happened?

The article you posted is 5 years old. Did Georgia's economy collapse? What has happened in the last 5 years?

[Blue_true]

12. Immigrants were allowed back in without abuse. nt

[former9thward]

13. Link to that?

Reason I ask is that Arizona, where I was living, had and has a law like that. A lot of immigrants left, never returned and the economy and agriculture is doing just as before.

[csziggy]

15. Parts of the bill werestruck down in court but now they are trying again

04-01-2013 | 09:00 AM
Author: Daniel M. Kowalski

Section 7 of Georgia's HB 87 Permanently Enjoined

"A federal judge struck down a key section of Georgia's immigration law that criminalized the harbor and transportation of undocumented immigrants. Georgia adopted its Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act, also known as House Bill 87, in 2011. Among other things, the law authorized the police to check the immigration status of criminal suspects and take them to jail if the suspects could not prove they were in the United States legally. Section 7 of the law criminalized transporting and harboring illegal immigrants while committing another crime and encouraging them to enter Georgia.
- See more at: https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnewsroom/immigration/b/outsidenews/archive/2013/04/01/section-7-of-georgia-s-hb-87-permanently-enjoined.aspx#sthash.88rkXeSn.dpuf

It still cost the state millions of dollars:

Thursday, October 6, 2011
UGA SURVEY FINDS UP TO $390 MILLION LOSS ON FARM WORKER SHORTAGE
A recent University of Georgia (UGA) survey estimates Georgia’s fruit and vegetable farmers saw at least $70 million in crop losses in the spring, because of fewer people are working on Georgia's farms, because of Georgia's HB87 anti-immigrant law. The overall economic impact of spring crop losses could be more than $390 million, with more economic impact due to loss of rents, grocery and other shopping that the migrant workers would normally do.
Farmers reported that crops were left in fields because they had 40 percent fewer people to help out. The Georgia politicians are still pressing strong in support of HB87.
Posted by Karen Weinstock
http://georgiaimmigration.blogspot.com/2011/10/uga-survey-finds-up-to-390-million-loss.html

Georgia’s largest industry is also suffering. Farmers who relied on the immigrant workforce are in trouble, whether or not they ever hired undocumented workers. The Georgia Fruit and Vegetable Growers Association estimates that as a result of HB 87, Georgia’s economy may lose $391 million and 3,260 jobs. One such job in the agricultural community may support as many as three “upstream” jobs. Other estimates have put the economic loss for Georgia farmers at between $300 million and $1 billion. Thousands of acres of onions, cotton, melons, and other crops have not been harvested due to an acute labor shortage that is a direct result of HB 87. Additionally, a switch from crops harvested by hand to crops harvested by machine will cost a farm up to $1.2 million due to the difference in the value of such crops. Every person in Georgia who farms, transports or sells farm produce, runs a business that depends on the patronage of farmers or buys groceries will feel the impact of this law.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/azadeh-shahshahani/georgia-immigration-policy_b_1528987.html

[former9thward]

16. Thanks for the information!

[MineralMan]

8. A lot of the farmers and others who routinely employ

undocumented workers, but who voted for Trump, there is some sort of sense they won't come for their immigrants. They think they are somehow immune from sweeping anti-immigrant efforts.

They're wrong, of course, but they can't envision a change that will affect them. They don't even know they are racists and xenophobes. They think those people who work for them understand that they have their jobs due to the kindness of their employers.

I grew up in a citrus farming town in California. Most people don't realize that all that farmwork and produce picking is done on contract with labor providers. The farmers, themselves, don't hire the workers. Some of them even believe that the company they pay to hire the workers doesn't hire undocumented workers. They're wrong, of course.

So, when their oranges go unharvested this year or the picking and packing costs go sky-high, come May or June, they'll be surprised and alarmed. But they still won't blame Trump. They won't make the connection in most cases.

[Amaryllis]

9. They won't make the connection because they don't see interconnections; cause and effect.

Even when it's pointed out...

[wishstar]

14. Western NC agricultural companies have petitioned Congress to save their businesses

http://wlos.com/news/local/mills-river-farmers-ask-congress-to-protect-their-workforce

Besides these farmers, there were also apple orchards in this area that went unpicked and apples went to waste on ground this fall because of shortage of immigrant labor-