Anybody getting a little suspicious of Pences' insistence that he was lied to and out of the loop

[Augiedog]

on Flynns' Russian connections? Me too. This has the all the earmarks of a setup. When, not if, tRump quits, is impeached, removed by the 25th amendment or Putin gets sick of him, Pence is the default president. Unless he is part of the scheme, part of the long con that is being perpetuated on the American public.

As leaky as this group of people are. As stupid as they seem to be. As disrespectful of political norms and as incompetent as they clearly are, there is no way Pence is out of the loop. But if he is in on the con, then he can't assume he will survive the impending doom coming for tRump.

His denials of awareness of anything to do with the Russians lack credibility and the asleep at the wheel investigative reporters need to get in gear and to work on this. Or we will find ourselves saddled with a president who is worse than tRump, a lot worse.

[WomanWhoRoars]

1. President Pence

I've thought all along the plan was to have him take over the presidency. I see them circling the wagons around him to protect him.

[coco22]

2. A little?

Impeachment countdown..

[blm]

3. His 'out of the loop' act was stale from day one. He's pulling a Poppy Bush.

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[gratuitous]

21. Can the pardons be far behind?

Remember that Bush issued pardons in the dead of night on Christmas Eve 1992 (after losing re-election the month before to Bill Clinton) to Caspar Weinberger, Robert C. McFarlane, Elliott Abrams, Clair E. George, the former head of the Central Intelligence Agency's clandestine services, Duane R. Clarridge, the former head of the C.I.A.'s European division, and Alan D. Fiers Jr.

Guess what Elliott Abrams is doing now? If you guessed "slithering back into the corridors of power like he did during Dubya's administration," you win the internets for the day.

If Trump goes down, Pence will have the pardon machine all cranked up and ready to go.

[blm]

22. Heh - yeah - I'm somewhat familiar with those matters - - heheheheh

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one could even say I posted quite a bit on that subject over the years.

Which reminds me….I miss Octafish.

[Wellstone ruled]

26. Nixon part two.

Plausible Deniability . Yep,just starting to get messy.

[TrekLuver]

4. No..I expect him to say this...HE HAS to say this because he was out there spreading

the lie. If Pence is involved it will come out. I'm not 100% convinced that he is. If I were TrumBannon I'm not sure I'd want the bible thumper in on this.

[dchill]

5. "Getting?"

No. Have been, yes. "Out of the loop" is the lie the whole Republican Party is praying will fly.

[Volaris]

14. It won't fly, tho, if it's as wide as it is deep.

If it touches as many leadership seats and campaign warchests as it seems it might, we will be referring to the 2018 midterms after the fact as The Doom of Valeria, because it's a disease that will leave no Republican untouched.

Might this treasonous President, on behalf of his decidedly unamerican Base of ('christian') Deplorables, be what finally wrecks the Grand Old Party?

[Lotusflower70]

6. Yes

He is shady. I don't trust him for a minute. He is protesting too much.

[mainstreetonce]

7. Never believed that story

Why would Pence believe Flynn? It doesn't make sense.

[kentuck]

8. They are so deep into lies and deception...

their entire house of cards is liable to collapse on them.

[Chipper Chat]

9. As a Hoosier, I've witnessed how secretive Pence was as governor.

He held secret meetings with right-wing groups and scheduled meetings with republican-led legislatures in the middle of the night for the purpose of passing legislation without knowledge of democrats. He's sneaky and not to be trusted.

[Hortensis]

13. Good input.

[dalton99a]

34. Pence is full of deceit and cruelty.

At least the crazy asshole Trump is transparent.

[murielm99]

10. If we can prove he was not out of the loop,

we can do something about him.

Was he involved in any corruption in Indiana? My informations says that he was incompetent and unpopular, not corrupt.

I hope, if there was corruption, we can get him to resign, like Spiro Agnew.

[Zambero]

11. What didn't Pence know?

And at what point did Pence not know it? At this point, Pence has hopes of being a strong contender for this year's "Spiro Agnew Totally-Out-of-the-Loop V.P. Award".

[njhoneybadger]

12. The white-haired wonder does lie with impunity.

[wcast]

15. I can't believe he didn't know and the excuses are laughable.

The new story is that Trump "fired" Flynn and the media is repeating it verbatim even though at the time it was reported Trump was behind him. So Trump fired Flynn for "lying" to Pence even though Trump and the White House knew about the call and had the transcript last month. Also, per Preibus, Flynn was fired not for doing anything wrong, only deceiving Pence. If Trump and others at the White House knew, how could Pence not have known and how was he deceived. It's stories like this that makes my head explode. Circular logic that no one, somehow, is able to get to the bottom of.

[tetedur]

20. Why did Flynn lie to Pence? If what Flynn did wasn't wrong, why lie?

If what he did wasn't wrong, why lie? What could have been the possible reason for keeping Pence in the dark about such an "innocent" matter.

My feeling is Trump told Flynn to do what he did. Pence knew. Pence knew what he did was wrong. He was sent out to cover it up. Pence lied.

They didn't "fire" Flynn when they knew what he had done. They threw him under the bus when it came out in the press.

[uponit7771]

36. Right.... None of that is going to fly in Court

[Rex]

16. I don't believe him. I think Pence and McConnell are in up to their necks.

I think a lot of the GOPukers are playing by the Russian playbook.

[CrispyQ]

23. Agreed.

Pay McConnell off with an appointment for his wife & there won't be an investigation.

[Kingofalldems]

17. I assume that every word uttered by anyone

in the White House or GOP congresspeople is a lie until proven otherwise.

[Vinca]

18. Protesting way too much if you ask me.

I'm wondering how much McConnell and Ryan knew, too. It's a regular crime family.

[Turn CO Blue]

19. HE KNEW. He was in charge of transition team.

I will always have a hard time believing that he didn't know outright starting in August of 2016, or at the least didn't have heavy suspicions beginning in late October.

Clearly, the Republicans baked up his innocence and how he was duped by Flynn, and they have been planting those "17 days" type of talking points so that they can manage to salvage something out of all this once their tower of cards comes crashing down.

But regardless of the past -- he has to know NOW AT THIS MOMENT.

Everyone is saying that the media needs to investigate, that the FBI needs to investigate, that Chaffetz and other Chairs need to investigate.

But Pence is sitting RIGHT THERE in the Number Two Spot in the world -- with more resources at his disposal than any single other person and HE IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE. He should be asking a ton of questions and tracking down evidence.

His ongoing ignoring of the Russia problem shows complicity and that makes him part of the cover-up.

Covering up the crimes of the President is still a high crime.

He is the equivalent of a trained, armed, ready guard just watching the figurative rape of our democracy in front of his eyes, and he is pretending that everything is rosy.

HE IS COMPLICIT.

[struggle4progress]

24. Why should we doubt what he says?

[MBS]

25. You bet. n/t

[old guy]

27. I was suspicious from the first second he said it.

He has been lying and compounding his lies every day.

[liberal N proud]

28. The shit is eventually going to come down

It always does, and Pence has his eyes on a big prize, the oval office for himself.

[hunter]

29. Pence wouldn't have the job if he didn't have some mighty big skeletons in his closet.

That's how the modern Republican Party works. They don't trust anyone they can't destroy. At the very top it's a policy of Mutual Assured Destruction.

I don't think Pence is anywhere near the top. He's a tool.

[Amaryllis]

30. SEe this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016178748
Former NSC official says Pence "morally compromised now too"; can't believe a word he says

[Solly Mack]

31. Pence always knew. I've always believed it and said as much.

And what really cinched it for me? Pence and James Baker sitting together at the Super Bowl.

If James Baker is around, something is afoot.

[GoCubsGo]

32. I assumed it was bullshit from the start.

No way in hell he wasn't in on it all. Ditto for McConnell, Ryan, and the rest of the GOP so-called "leadership."

[DFW]

33. I do not find Pence any more trustworthy than Trump or Putin

Which is all the more reason to suspect he wants the Donald outta there sooner than later. If he waits too long, he'll just be another Gerry Ford.

[Pachamama]

35. He parsed his words very carefully when asked at NATO conference about being left out of loop - note

...he didn't answer the question and only stated that Mike Flynn had not shared all the facts.

It was deliberate to focus only on Mike Flynn and not on what he actually knew and when and from whom. I also have watched Pence very carefully when he answers things where he has been "coached" and prepped...like he did when asked during the campaign about the pussygrabbing video. He hesitates, tilts his head back and forth in a nodding and then does some kind of weird thing with his mouth and eyes. Maybe I need to watch more videos of him, but I notice it on particular occasions. Like those questions.

I believe Pence knows. Even if it wasn't on Jan 15th - he did sometime after. And I believe he knew before election that some kind of help and deal happened with Russia and that people like McConnell, Ryan, Priebus, Chaffetz all knew and know. And they made this deal and accepted keeping quiet because of money and power.

And it will be their undoing.