Great analysis by the WP on the DNC Chairman

[Kingofalldems]

Link to tweet

Winners: Democrats

Losers: Republicans.

[virtualobserver]

1. actually the Republicans were the winners

stomping on the Bernie wing shows that the DNC has learned nothing

[OKNancy]

2. that's ridiculous

[virtualobserver]

3. OK....then what have Democrats learned?

[DURHAM D]

5. How to spot a separatist. nt

[virtualobserver]

11. how to spot someone who hasn't learned

[Eko]

30. Then, yes, we see you.

[virtualobserver]

33. touch...but explain what the DNC has learned/

[Eko]

39. To start with

the difference between touch and touche.

[virtualobserver]

48. I know the difference....and I typed in touche (with the acute accent) in the title

it didn't go through and the e on the end disappeared.....but I hope that your feeling of superiority remains intact

[Gothmog]

83. I agree with the WP analysis

From the article cited in the OP

* Republican Party: Republicans had been open about their hopes that Ellison would win the chair's race, believing his strongly liberal record and past controversies would give them a useful punching bag for years to come. Perez, while still quite liberal, is not the lightning rod that Ellison would have been. The search continues …

The GOP wanted to run against Ellison and his religion. Trump was hoping to split the Jewish vote from the party and pit the ADL (which had issues with Ellison) against the rest of the party. That will not happen

[virtualobserver]

84. That same argument could have been used against Obama re: racism - The politics of cowardice....

is a fool's game. The Jews in Victoria, TX who opened their synagogue to their Muslim brothers and sisters would have been perfectly comfortable with Ellison.

What the GOP believes is of no consequence.

[Gothmog]

85. There were comfortable with a Muslim mosque

The ADL has some real issues with Ellison that were never resolved. The Victoria synagogue is in my neck of the woods and I am good friends with some of the people in the Victoria Democratic Party

[virtualobserver]

88. Then I yield on that specific point, since you actually know the people in Victoria.

I would, however, like to feel that Muslims are welcome in the Democratic party, even those who have grown away from Farrakhan.

[Gothmog]

90. Make no mistake, Muslims are welcomed in the party

Some of my best friends in the part are Muslim precinct chairs in my county. The running joke is that I as a Jew have more in common with the Muslim precinct chairs compared to some other precinct chairs in my county

I would like to point out that there are posts on DI predicting that the election of Ellison would increase Jewish voter turnout for Trump. The DI idiots making these claims do not realize that so long as Bannon is associated with Trump, Jews will not be supporting trump. Trump hates Muslms and wanted to run against Ellison and to use his religion against him. From what I have seen of the GOP, Trump would have been able to flame the Islamophobia of is base using Keith's religion.

I have met Ellison on a couple of occasions and I like him. I just like Tom Perez a great deal more due to his his work on voting rights. Perez rebuilt the Civil Rights and the voting rights sections of the DOJ. This article was cited on another thread but his quote makes me smile http://prospect.org/article/subtle-force-tom-perez

In October of 2009, Perez was finally confirmed and set out to reform a division in disarray. Under Bush, the division was accused of ousting career prosecutors who were insufficiently conservative and punishing those who didn’t leave. In his early months, it reportedly wasn’t uncommon for staffers to break down in Perez’s office as they recalled the trauma. Within a year, Perez turned around morale and transformed the division into a formidable enforcement machine.

The group in Victoria also makes me smile. I have not seen the Victoria Democratic county chair in a while but will be mentioning this next time I see the Victoria county delegation.

[DURHAM D]

4. LOL

Seriously... my dog never understands when I am laughing at my laptop.

[virtualobserver]

13. your dog understands...that is why your dog isn't laughing

[EffieBlack]

6. How is there a Bernie wing of a party that Bernie doesn't even belong to?

Good Lord.

[virtualobserver]

9. Bernie has a position with the Democratic leadership

[Demsrule86]

23. He is not a Democrat by his choice.

[virtualobserver]

25. as are 40 percent plus of americans according to recent polling

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. Must you insist on stating facts? lol

Bernie still is our best option... which is why so many here are only to happy too throw him under the bus.

[EffieBlack]

42. His position is in Senate leadership. Not in the DNC

[virtualobserver]

50. the DEMOCRATIC Senate leadership

[Warpy]

54. The issue isn't one man

It's the millions of Democrats who have rejected party conservatism in favor of his policies.

Wake up.

[EffieBlack]

59. A MINORITY of Democrats support Bernie. The MAJORITY of Democrats support actual Democrats

I'm plenty woke, thank you.

[Warpy]

61. That's what conservatives always think

Take a look at the makeup of the House and Senate. That's what conservative policies have done.

It's time to stop blaming everybody else. Conservatives in the party own this.

[EffieBlack]

63. Are you calling me a conservative?

And are you claiming that a majority of Democrats support Sanders?

If the latter is the case, Bernie is a piss-poor politician who, despite having majority support, couldn't beat Hillary Clinton and can't even get his own DNC Chair elected in party in which he controls the majority.

[maryallen]

89. Derogatory depiction of party leader

Characterization of Senator Sanders as a "piss-poor politician" was a divisive remark.

[EffieBlack]

91. Not at all

I was simply pointing out that your suggestion that Sanders commands the support of a majority of Democrats is ridiculous.

It's funny, though, that you complain about "divisive remarks" in a discussion in which you trash the actual majority of the party because they don't support your preferred candidate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Is Tom Perez conservative?

[Kingofalldems]

7. Perez is quite liberal.

[Blue_true]

32. Longtime labor and worker rights crusader.

Perez was beating the bushes for liberal values while his critics were in college bars trying to hit up potential lovers.

[Kingofalldems]

80. Damn right. Anyone who has a problem with him is BSing us

and is a GOP plant in my opinion.

[Laurian]

16. Please stop with the Bernie business.

Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat. I'm sick to death of the constant references to the Bernie wing of our party.

[virtualobserver]

19. the Bernie wing is composed of voters.....

we need voters

[Demsrule86]

26. Bernie is an independent by his choice...and if you are saying that

because Ellison didn't win...that some won't vote for Democrats...then I say good bye and good luck...we don't need those who at the drop of a hat take their ball and go...home...what was the revolutionary term...summer soldiers I believe.

[Blue_true]

35. Hail, hail. On the money. nt.

[Demsrule86]

71. Thank you...

[EffieBlack]

44. Thank you.

[MyNameGoesHere]

34. Sanders wing. Lol that's funny

and maybe a bit grandiose.

[Blue_true]

38. Jill Stein wannabe purists. I am sick of them setting the country back. nt

[Nevernose]

51. Many people haven't figured that out yet

The Democrats are in the worst position ever, and with the least percentage of people as registered Dems, and either think that nothing is wrong or that liberals are the cause of our problems.

Hopefully Perez & Ellison can get the DNC's shit together in the next 18 months. The DNC has apparently forgotten entirely about party unity, local politics, or how to win elections.

[virtualobserver]

55. I hope that they do....I was just looking for a sign that they already had.

[Cha]

69. Actually lots of BS voters care about the PLANET.

[brooklynite]

18. How was electing Ellison going to support the " Bernie wing"?

[virtualobserver]

27. Ellison was connected to and endorsed by Bernie and had support from...

other mainstream Dems. Perez was brought in to put down the uprising.

[KittyWampus]

41. Perez joined the race cause he's competent and wanted to try for the job.

Your fiction is already boring.

[Blue_true]

22. That is a ridiculous claim. If you really feel that way, you should go and

stay third party. Perez is a longtime labor rights fighter, to call him establishment is insane, the Democratic Party should cut ties with people that do, NOW!!!!!!

[virtualobserver]

31. good strategy- push people out of the party

[Blue_true]

45. Exactly. I rather have knives coming at me from known enemies,

not from sometime friends. So go to a party that you are comfortable with. Bullcrap about a "wing" of the Democratic Party displays utter cluelessness. How about Hispanics, a key part of the Democratic Party, being now overjoyed that the party has placed it's political wellbeing in the hands of a Hispanic.

[EffieBlack]

46. You're pushing yourselves out with your ridiculous "Do it OUR way or ELSE!" demands

That schtick is getting pretty stale.

[virtualobserver]

49. it is the DNC leadership that is getting pretty stale

[uponit7771]

24. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! Ellison is co chair !!! I'm so fucking sick of the whining !!!

[redstatebluegirl]

29. Give it a rest!!!!

[WhiteTara]

37. Oh Please.

Tom Perez will be a great chair and will work closely with Keith Ellison. The "bernie wing" was not shut out, but was immediately included; so please stop.

[NurseJackie]

53. There's no such thing as the "Bernie Wing". They're either Democrats or not...

... they'll either vote for Democrats, or they won't.

If this (so-called) "Bernie Wing" believes it has power and influence, then their first order of business should be to get Bernie Sanders to actually join (permanently) the Democratic party.

If the "Bernie Wing" could convince him to do that, and if Bernie actually did that, I think he'd earn more respect and he'd have the moral authority to have more influence in guiding and shaping the party.

But he hasn't, and he won't, so he doesn't.

[Hortensis]

62. No, Virtual. This is a sort of administrative position,

and the DNC members who did the voting knew exactly what the DNC chair had to be able to do for their committee. The notion that this is a momentous choice is greatly overblown. Mostly they just chose the person they thought would handle an administrative, schmoozing, coordinating, fund-raising job better--barely.

And Chris Cilizza is a conservative sleazebag. His very predictable statement that Warren/Sanders are much weaker than thought is just his own wishful thinking. As usual.

The DNC chair does not choose the direction of the party. Far from it.

[virtualobserver]

72. the DNC chair controlled the timing of the debates in 2015....over the objection of two vice-chairs

To quote Tom Perez......"We heard loudly and clearly yesterday from Bernie supporters that the process was rigged, and it was. And you've got to be honest about it"

then later that night he said that he "mispoke"......no longer "honest about it,"? you tell me.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

64. If certain factions of that wing had of united in November

Trump would not be president right now. If Ellison were elected DNC chair then the majority of Jewish voters would leave the Democratic Party because they don't trust Ellison and view his as being anti-semitic. People and groups unwilling to unite against a common enemy should never be rewarded for doing the wrong thing in order to try to force everyone else to give them what they want when the majority wants something else.

Sorry for all those Bernie supporters who united and did the right thing, this is NOT about you at all...but it's time for those that idolize Sanders as if he's the second coming of Jesus to stop trying to make everything about Bernie-fucking-Sanders because it's making some of us really hate him.

/rant off

[Cha]

67. I'm so glad Tom Perez Won.. and Keith Ellison gave a classy

concession speech!

Tom Perez is Progressive! YAY!!!!!

[Skittles]

68. STOP, JUST FUCKING STOP

[Gothmog]

81. No the Democratic party won today

[Kingofalldems]

8. I will consider any attacks on our Chairman as originating

from republicans.

[virtualobserver]

10. just because Trump disallows dissent, doesn't mean Democrats have to

[Kingofalldems]

12. We are in a war right now. No time for distractions.

We must present a united front.

[virtualobserver]

15. we are in a war for the soul of the Democratic party

The ruling elements need to learn why we couldn't retake the Senate. and why Hillary lost the electoral vote. *on edit == I wrote popular vote, but meant to write electoral*

[Kingofalldems]

17. Hillary did NOT lose the popular vote. If that is your position

there is really nothing to discuss.

[virtualobserver]

20. I meant to write electoral....I changed it

[Kingofalldems]

21. OK but you do know about the Russian/Trump alliance I am sure.

[virtualobserver]

36. yes, but I blame Comey for actual vote loss

I do however see the email nonsense as a self-inflicted wound.

[Blue_true]

60. I agree with you on the email being a self inflicted wound.

Democrats that run for office need to work to insure that every choice they make in their official or personal life is beyond reproach. Hillary did nothing wrong with the emails, BUT, she should have had State Department IT and Security set up and manage everything, including her home server. Republicans fight very dirty, they will lie about the smallest oversight.

[Blue_true]

57. We are not in a war for the soul of the Democratic Party.

Far left people like Nader, Sarandon, Stein West, Smiley abandoned the party long ago for their tilting at windmills. So, if someone is so upset that they timeout, so be it, Democrats need people that can be counted on at crunchtime.

[virtualobserver]

66. the problem is that 40 percent of Americans now self-identify as independents

Democrats do not have the luxury of preaching to the choir.

[Kingofalldems]

14. Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028708433

[Demsrule86]

28. Democrats need unity...it was the lack of unity that helped elect Trump...

so join or get out of our way...we will stop Trump and save this country.

[democratisphere]

40. Bernie voters have a voice with the #2 leader of the DNC.

What is the problem? There isn't one!

[Kingofalldems]

43. Of course not. I am ready to kick some GOP ass.

[democratisphere]

47. I've got my steel toed boots on.

Let's go!

[virtualobserver]

52. they had a voice with the vice-chair of the DNC in 2015 and she was warned....

that she was jeopardizing her career if she didn't toe the line.


but she persisted....and endorsed Bernie

[Demsrule86]

73. The primary is over. Let it go.

[virtualobserver]

75. This wasn't the primary.....this was Perez as he ran for the DNC chair.

It showed me that he can be controlled.

[Demsrule86]

86. It is over. Perez has won...time to move on.

[Motley13]

56. Obama backed Perez & that is good enough for me

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

58. Stop refighting the primaries, folks.

With Perez as chair and Ellison as deputy chair we've got solid leadership; what's gone (for good, I hope) is the Debbie Wasserman Schultz wing of the DNC. Ideologically there's not much difference between Perez and Ellison; and both are clearly aware that the party needs to get busy at the grassroots level. Despite what Cilizza stupidly suggests in the cited article, Ellison is not the equivalent or representative of Bernie and Perez is not the equivalent or representative of Hillary. The fact that Perez won does not mean the progressives lost; Perez and Ellison are very much on the same page. The DNC election was not a Hillary vs. Bernie proxy fight, although some would like to think it was. The important thing now - the only important thing - is getting back to the grassroots and organizing to defeat the GOP and Trump. I think this is a good first step.

[oasis]

70. If MSM is supportive, that'd be great. True Democrats will rejoice. nt

[NurseJackie]

74. Yep! That is a distinction worth noting. What I'm seeing here ...

... makes me wonder about people's intentions or motivations.

[Lotusflower70]

76. Unifying

Perez and Ellison are friends. They are going to work together. I am looking forward to seeing them in action. Onward and upward.

[JudyM]

77. +1

[Doreen]

79. My 1st choice had been Harrison, 2nd Ellison, and 3rd Perez.

Well, I am glad that one of my top three choice won and am glad we have a the DNC chair filled now. I am glad that Perez and Ellison are going to be working together. I am sure with everything that went on during the election they will be addressing those carefully to avoid the same mistakes.

[Gothmog]

82. That is a great article

[Tatiana]

87. I'm really sick of this "wing" and that "wing."

We're all anti-Republicans... let's just be that. We don't need to waste our time and energy continuing primary battles and fights. We have a YUUUUUGE battle ahead.

Ellison was my favorite, but I actually kinda wanted him to stay in Congress, so Deputy Chair works for me.

Perez is a very good technocrat. And we NEED one of those. Part of our problem was believing polls and counting our chickens before they hatched. Perez is a realist and a hard worker. He will put the needed infrastructure in place to to ensure that we start winning.