And..there it is - CNN - Corp for Normalizing Nutcases - "Presidential Trump"

[NRaleighLiberal]

http://www.cnn.com/

Catch a screen shot - they've done it. All is forgiven.

[luvMIdog]

1. Yeah it's climbing the career ladder before caring about America for many many

We now live in a world where there are few brave and willing to put country before career or bank account

[dchill]

3. Never mind that that ladder ends in a trap door...

Into Trump's hellish brain.

[bravenak]

2. I tweeted the screenshot at the and called them the chamberlain news network

[dchill]

4. What would Jake Tapper say?

[bravenak]

5. He will probably get them back on track

[dchill]

10. I hope.

They'll all have hangovers tomorrow.

[bravenak]

11. Their twitter feeds sure are blowing up right now

They know by now we do not agree

[dchill]

12. Talk about living in a bubble.

[Ms. Toad]

6. Unfortunately, they are correct - and that makes him a lot more dangerous.

For the first time ever, based on the snippets I heard, he actually sounded presidential. Which makes him a lot more dangerous - if he manages to keep it up, he and his dangerous ideas will be much harder to dismiss with a genteel, conciliatory face on it.

I suspect he'll destroy it by tweeting somthing stupid by morning - but for tonight they're not wrong, and that scares me more than deranged Trump.

[orleans]

9. you're right--he did a great job staying on script

no riffing

no enemy of the people crap
no my di*k is bigger than obama's inauguration crap
no pissing out voting totals

someone did a tremendous job convincing that asshole to stay on script

[dchill]

13. no riffing

but plenty of sniffing. NOT Presidential!

[Ms. Toad]

15. I didn't watch the speech -

but the snippets I heard were sniff-free (and I noticed his sniffing months before it became a topic of conversation - largely because the only time I heard him was on the radio so I wasn't distracted by his gesticulating).

It is possible the rest of his speech was filled with the same trash as all of his others, but if what I heard is indicative of the entire speech, we would do well to pay attention so we are not caught off guard if he somehow manages to keep up this veneer. And pretending this was just like the rest of his trash is not an honest assessment (again, providing what I heard was indicative of the rest of the speech). It doesn't help our credibility when we refuse to distinguish rational, relatively articulate, well-delivered thoughts from his normal rants.

[BlueStater]

14. I didn't watch the speech.

I want to throw up every time I see him or hear his voice.

But if managed to give a speech without idiotically bragging about how wonderful he is or mentioning inappropriate, off-topic nonsense like how many people attended his inauguration, then he hardly deserves praise for that. That's something that most human beings on this planet are capable of.

It's fucking pitiful how low a standard this sick joke of a man has to be held to.

[Ms. Toad]

16. I try not to hear his voice either, but there were snippets on the radio show on the drive home.

Here's a bit I heard (delivered well) - in text form so you don't have to hear it (and it doesn't read like anything he would write, either).

Hopefully, the 250th year for America will see a world that is more peaceful, more just and more free.
On our 100th anniversary, in 1876, citizens from across our Nation came to Philadelphia to celebrate America's centennial. At that celebration, the country's builders and artists and inventors showed off their creations.
Alexander Graham Bell displayed his telephone for the first time.
Remington unveiled the first typewriter. An early attempt was made at electric light.
Thomas Edison showed an automatic telegraph and an electric pen.
Imagine the wonders our country could know in America's 250th year.
Think of the marvels we can achieve if we simply set free the dreams of our people.
Cures to illnesses that have always plagued us are not too much to hope.
American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream.
Millions lifted from welfare to work is not too much to expect.
And streets where mothers are safe from fear -- schools where children learn in peace -- and jobs where Americans prosper and grow -- are not too much to ask.
When we have all of this, we will have made America greater than ever before. For all Americans.
This is our vision. This is our mission.
But we can only get there together.
We are one people, with one destiny.
We all bleed the same blood.
We all salute the same flag.
And we are all made by the same God.
And when we fulfill this vision; when we celebrate our 250 years of glorious freedom, we will look back on tonight as when this new chapter of American Greatness began.
The time for small thinking is over. The time for trivial fights is behind us.
We just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts.
The bravery to express the hopes that stir our souls.
And the confidence to turn those hopes and dreams to action.
From now on, America will be empowered by our aspirations, not burdened by our fears ---
inspired by the future, not bound by the failures of the past ---
and guided by our vision, not blinded by our doubts.
I am asking all citizens to embrace this Renewal of the American Spirit. I am asking all members of Congress to join me in dreaming big, and bold and daring things for our country. And I am asking everyone watching tonight to seize this moment and --
Believe in yourselves.
Believe in your future.
And believe, once more, in America.
Thank you, God bless you, and God Bless these United States.

[lame54]

18. Repackaging lies makes him presidential?

[Ms. Toad]

20. His presentation style and content were completely different.

He was coherent and, at times even eloquent. He spoke in complete, relatively well-constructed sentences without his characteristic repetition of short derrogatory insults. His tone was inclusive rather than that of an arrogant victor or a sore loser.

If I had not experienced the last month, based solely on the snippets of last night's performance I heard, I would agree with his supporter's cries that the liberals and the media are not giving him a fair chance - which is why his ability to pull off a presidential appearance is dangerous - and why it troubles me to see people say last night was just the same as every other speech he's given.

He gave a decent performance last night - and yes, his performance was presidential. Pretending it was just the same as every other incoherent, arrogant, hate-filled speech he has given damages our credibility.

That doesn't mean he is presidential, or that I think for a minute he has changed or that he wrote that speech, or that it wasn't full of lies. But he did pull off a presidential performance.

[lame54]

21. You're right - the long list of lies is irrelevant...

4 more years
4 more years

[Ms. Toad]

22. Not irrelevant to me,

But a liar who can pull off a presidental appearance while lying is far more dangerous than one who is glaringly gutter trash.

[lame54]

23. But you are asking to concede this point...

And give him this victory

"He may have lied his ass off but you have to admit he gave a great speech." Is not a helpful approach

[Ms. Toad]

24. Bury your head in the sand if you like,

but last night's performance was vastly different than any he has ever given before, and we lose credibility if we continue to insist otherwise.

It is a standard practice in law when you have a few bad facts to acknowledge them and shift focus to the facts that are on your side, because when you are making arguments that don't pass the laugh test neither the judge nor the jury will believe a single word you say after that.

It doesn't give the other side a victory to acknowledge isolated bad facts - and it bolsters your credibility as to the 20 good facts you are touting when you acknowledge the single bad fact.

The bad fact for us is that he managed to appear presidential last night. If we acknowledge that, we gain credibility when we point out all of the lies in his speech - AND - that his performance last night was all political theater.

[lame54]

25. You quickly went from calling his speech...

Presidential to appearing presidential

Now you're getting it

[Ms. Toad]

26. Nope. That's where I started.

From my first comment in this thread: "he actually sounded presidential"

From my first response to you: "He gave a decent performance last night - and yes, his performance was presidential

Sounding like and performing are all about appearances.

[lame54]

28. I re-read your post several before posting...

You're tone definitely changed

Yes you used the word appearance but the context changed

[Ms. Toad]

32. You're reading context changes that aren't there.

Every post I've made intentionally focused on appearance (sounding, appearing, performing). That appearance includes both a decent speechwriter, who gave him material that sounds substantially more presidential than anything he has said before, and his ability to stick to the script and convey it with a more presidential bearing. I described the characteristics of the speech that made it appear more presidential - that doesn't mean it was a great speech, or that I agreed with it - it means was presented in a manner I expect of presidents, using language and tone I expect from presidents.

That's all about appearance. If we continue to insist it wasn't a better, more presidential, performance, we risk losing credibility for the attacks we need to make on both the lies and on the substantive content.

[lame54]

33. Your approach is wrong - here's the right one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028728559

[tparrett62]

27. Quite agreed

Everyone is doing backflips over how "presidential" he was; much harder to fight than crazy-ass Twitter Trump. I don't like this at all.

[Ms. Toad]

30. That was my immediate kick-in-the-gut reaction when I heard a few snippets last night

on my drive home - the fight just got harder.

And too many of us are doing the same thing Trump did after his inaugural address - fighting a losing battle against the reality that, as Perez acknowledged, last night he was a good actor. It is important to concede that point and hammer home Perez's second point: That doesn't make him a good person.

[herding cats]

7. But, he changed his "tone" when delivering his hate, xenophobia and lies tonight!

It's not what his message is, it's that he said it slightly more coherently that made them swoon.

[rufus dog]

8. So let me get the straight

He went out looking for a mission to make him look like a bad ass.

Is busy tweeting while the mission is taking place, the mission fails, they lie and claim they got intelligence, and then he uses the slain soldiers wife as a positive?

For fucks sake!

[malaise]

17. Sickening

[NurseJackie]

19. Being banished from the WH Briefing Room worked!!

[heaven05]

29. what can be expected from

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a cowering, groveling, bought off MSM who MUST lick the shoes of those who have BANNED them. No surprise from this corner of the anti-trump voters who DID NOT want the puppet of prezidents bannon and miller. They will be licking his boots even when the next WORLD WAR starts openly and without medias attempt to make the conflicts, hate and anger against us seem disconnected. PEOPLE WANT TO BE FOOLED so they can stay in their little safety bubbles built around a false sense of security that their nazis have created for the trump voter and a compliant media.

[C_U_L8R]

31. Bootlicking for brownie points

They don't want to lose their front row press room seats