Why is it so hard for Thom Hartmann to understand why Roberts voted

[rainy]

the way he did today? Roberts is a big corporate hack. He has always voted in their best interest. We should not be surprised. Big win here for the Insurance companies.

[Tx4obama]

1. See article below

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/125150319

[Iggy]

2. Love Thom and Ed Schultz as well, but

they are providers of partisan political content on a radio show-- and in Ed's case, tee vee also.

I suspect both Thom and Ed had to rewrite their scripts for their shows today- annoying. now they
have to work harder to demonize the SCOTUS

They helped hype the hysteria--- i.e. the big "pro conservatives-rule-the-court" Baloney". well?

Ed and Thom.. and many in political Bloggo world, think everything IS about politics.

no, it's not. it's about MONEY.

I predicted long ago the SCOTUS would not strike down the ACA-- because as you say, it brings
millions of _paying_ customers into the system.

[Nye Bevan]

3. So I guess Scalia and Thomas hate corporations

and are on the side of the little people.

[Huey P. Long]

7. The game is played this way. Just enough here or there.

vote trading and calculations are made. All a big show.

[morningfog]

9. It's a grand conspiracy.

Sorry, I don't buy that Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito were drawing straws on who would be the one to join the liberals in this decision. Scalia is not happy, and there are reasons to suspect Roberts may have deflected late.

[Huey P. Long]

10. Call it what you want. I call it bought and owned government. -eom

[emulatorloo]

12. +1

[sabrina 1]

14. No, the Corps know they have to keep up appearances and they didn't need their votes once

Roberts was willing to take the heat from rabid, ignorant, right wingers who have no clue what is going on.

This is how it works now. Same thing in Congress. There will always be enough Dem votes to pass whatever they want, allowing other Dems to vote against it and keep the base happy.

[jwirr]

4. And not just the insurance people. Pharmicuticals, equipment companies etc. also make money from

more people getting health care.

[JoePhilly]

5. And the last thing we want is MORE people getting health care ... right?

[jwirr]

21. Who said that? I think that Roberts was not just concerned about who gets health care. He was

just as concerned about the corporations involved in the profession.

[progressivebydesign]

11. Gee, I don't know, maybe health care providers are tired of footing the bill for billions.

Why must everything be so black and white for some people?? Hospitals and health care professionals are absolutely buried with billions in unpaid bills from uninsured patients that do not qualify for aid. You think they want insurance for all? Damn straight they do. And the insured would like insurance for all, so our premiums don't pay for people who refuse to insurance for themselves or cannot buy it under the current market climate.

It's not a win for corporations.. it's a win for everyone, for taxpayers who are footing the 50 Billion dollar a year loss due to uninsured, to the uninsured finally having health care, to insurance companies who will have more customers.

[sabrina 1]

17. Who are these people 'who refuse to pay for premiums'??

You know that has always been a right wing meme in order to ignore the reality, that millions of Americans cannot afford HC in this country. Would they be the 44,000 who die each year because they have no HC coverage? Do you think they were willing to die just to hoard all that money for themselves?

Why are we getting these right wing talking points here?

I do not know a single person without coverage who would not buy it IF they could afford it. Not everyone is covered in their job either.

I really want names, now. So sick of this claim that we used to only see from the right.

[jwirr]

20. I did not mention hospitals or health care providers. But as a diabetic and with a daughter who

costs a fortune for her healt care I know who is making the money. I specifically said pharmacuetical companies and health equipment companies and other companies like that. One of my meds cost $700 for a month. A wheel chair costs more than that. These are the corporations that are the ones I am talking.

[Puzzledtraveller]

6. What we got was a Faustian bargain.

The implications of which cannot be fully appreciated. So desperate for a win we fell for it hook line and sinker.

[progressivebydesign]

15. Sorry, there are just not enough bake sales and car washes to sustain the health of the uninsured nt

[Puzzledtraveller]

16. No, but there was other legislative options.

We didn't pursue any of them. Why?

[sabrina 1]

19. Europeans and Canadians don't need bake sales to cover all of their citizens. Why

is that your only solution for the US?

Do you know how many people die in Europe and Canada for lack of HC? The answer is zero.

Do you know how many people die in the US for lack of HC?

[spanone]

8. big win for the uninsured.

[progressivebydesign]

13. Yep.. it sure is! :) n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. Maybe my memory is faulty

(and it's getting worse every day) but I thought Hartmann on today's show offered the theory that Roberts voted the way he did because he used to be a corporate lawyer (law firm of Hogan and Hartson) and his decision to back the mandate was in the service of the insurance corporations, which is completely in tune with his ideology.

[jeff47]

22. Big win for the industry spending millions lobbying against the bill..... (nt)