If Collusion Btwn Trump Team/Russia-How Did They Think They Wouldn't Get Caught Unless.....

[global1]

they also knew they would also win the House & Senate so they could stack the Cabinet and the Courts with their own co-conspiritors.

With their people in place they could cover the whole thing up and no one would ever be the wiser.

Given such a scenario that means this whole thing was planned out like a 'coup', it was a pervasive plan with many people involved both inside and outside government.

What we're experiencing folks - is more than a coincidence. It is bigger than Watergate.

If this is what is going on - we're in a very critical spot now as the 'rats' are being exposed.

We have to make sure that them there doing the exposing are protected and those that are being exposed don't meet with untimely elimination.

I got to think there are a lot of nervous nellies now that are circling the wagons and pulling in.

It's no wonder we're hearing stories of mistrust and chaos in the White House and in the ranks of the Repug Party.

I imagine there are a lot of fingers getting ready to begin being pointed.

I imagine a lot of DC law firms are going to make a boatload of money soon.

We have to watch with care any moves being made by this White House and what we suspect as their team.

I anticipate some very telling moves now and some being very unpredictable.

This is really getting interesting.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. I think it's more important to remember, everyone thought they were gonna lose. Bigtime.

Including them.

So they may have felt why the fuck not, hail mary pass.

They may not have been putting together a well-crafted conspiracy so much as blundering along, as surprised as anyone when it actually worked.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Agree with this.

They are trying to retroactively go back to find and deploy pieces of unfinished draft plans now that they are fully in charge.

[global1]

6. Did They Really Think They Were Going To Lose? Or Was That....

a ruse to make us think that - to keep the Dems & Hillary campaign off guard.

They were making predictions of Wikileaks before wikileaks actually leaked. Right down to people like the former mayor of NYC Ghouliani.

Think about how confident Trump himself was on the campaign trail - how much he talked about winning.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. I think they're lucky, not competent

I dont think this was any great plan. Trump was confident because he is delusional.

[Cosmocat]

23. He just is not playing 3 dimensional chess

he wakes up in the morning and figures it out as he goes along.

He does know that the chaos creates the environment for him to be able to pull things off.

Past that, he just wings it.

[Orangepeel]

18. I think the goal was to damage President Clinton and cause her administration to fail

I don't think that the people in charge thought they could stop her from being president, but that they'd stop her from doing anything once she was

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Entirely possible.

[Cosmocat]

21. Yep

as shitty as it is now, it would be even worse had Hillary won, because all of that right wing delusion we see now trying to defend 45 would be in a heightened state of rage against Hillary, and instead of defending the relentless, hubris, graft and putin ball washing it would be raging hysterics over the usual pull out of their ass nonstories.

AND, had she won and had two more senators win, and tried to seat a SCJ, it very well would have led to violence.

IMO, and people can't wrap their heads around it when I tell them, this country managed to have a bloodless coup vs the very real likelyhood had 45 lost, given decades of right wing brainwashing setting the pods up with 45 stoking them to the next level, we would probably be living with violence against liberals and democratic officials.

[northoftheborder]

26. It makes me sick to hear this scenario spelled out....

.....but......thoughts such as these have swirled in my mind more than once. And Hillary may have saved her life by losing. How do we get our reasonable, lawful, constitutional, organized government back?????? I may not live to see it done.

[JI7]

2. you are making it more complicated than it is. Republican control of congress was already likely

the media played a huge role in Trump's rise . the russian connections were already known for a long time but the media did not make a big deal out of it.

without media holding them accountable there isn' t much worry. same goes for republican congress. it doensn't have to be some huge conspiracy.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Agree with this too.

The media in some cases did a LIHOP and in other cases did a MIHOP to allow this travesty of an election to happen the way it did. And notably the broadcast media because although many in the print media did have high-profile exposes about what was happening, all of that was ignored by the broadcast media's 24/7 gas bags. And unfortunately because the general public had pretty much stopped reading "print" (including electronic versions) media, the entire "fake news bubble" came from television.

[Beartracks]

19. Yes - a sharp cookie like Putin would know the US MSM....

.... would reliably follow the shiny objects without asking questions.

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[arthritisR_US]

5. It's already well on its way. There is a major NATO meeting next

month which your SOS Tillerson is thunmbing his nose at and won't be attending because he'll be going to Russia instead. He has gutted out the State dept and its funding is being slashed by almost a third(29%). What kind of message does this send to all your EU allies?

[Kablooie]

8. I wonder if tillerson will just stay there.

He's escaping the US to his sanctuary country.

[arthritisR_US]

10. Any questions that the Putin and his thugs have about the inner workings

of your government I'm sure Tillerson will spill them all. He will no doubt get his next marching orders from his BFF Putin, of how he is to proceed in his job for the coming months ahead.

[LaydeeBug]

9. Because they knew the fix was in. Period. nt

[mdbl]

11. Eventually, they'll blame Kellyanne Conjob for all this

We'll miss u Kell-A

[Foamfollower]

12. It was the takeover of the US by white supremacy.

Plain and simple, this was just short of a Putsch.

[KewlKat]

13. I've always felt something changed when the Con started spewing the election was rigged.

It was his "outing" himself like he's done on so many things. Accusing others of the very thing he and his are doing. I think it was mid October.

[UCmeNdc]

14. They planned it. They rigged the election. They said once elected they would destroy all docs

The Obama admin saved the United States. They had the evidences decentralized so the Trump traitors could not gather it fast enough to destroy it all.

[Kahuna7]

15. Putin would cover all bases and get the goods...

not only on Clinton, but on trump and the gop establishment. That's what a seasoned spy would do.

[Beartracks]

16. Investigations must lead to a fix and a repair....

... not just a report (like the Kennedy assassination).

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[mtngirl47]

17. I'm just so sad and disgusted

It's been a nightmare since October 28th when Comey interfered.

We Democrats have been belly button gazing since November, and we have put blame on ourselves and each other--and our candidate. Now we know that there were a lot of hands on the scale tipping it to Trump.

If Lynch had not been compromised by Bubba on that tarmac in New Mexico (June 30)---would she have been able to shed light early enough?

Did the top Democrats who knew about the Russian investigation think---oh well, he's an idiot, he won't win? Did they look at the polls and think--we've got this? (I know I did.)

News trickled out on the internet about Trump and Russia--and was lightly covered by the media. Manafort & Page resigned in August and September respectively. The bank server news hit in late October. I would have to do some research--but I'm pretty sure that Trump probably said something outrageous to change the conversation.

So it was the perfect storm. But as they say---there are no coincidences and where there's smoke there's probably a fire.

Trump may act like a bumbling idiot but he's sly like a fox--and he's a traitor and it may take some time but we'll prove it.

[Vinca]

22. Maybe this is really a haphazard coup being led by an idiot.

[Cosmocat]

24. That is exactly what it is

very accurate and concise analysis.

[UCmeNdc]

25. No, it is being led by Putin

Trump is the willing idiot enabling Putin to succeed.

Why destroy the State department? Trump is doing Putin's bidding.

Tellerson going to Moscow instead of NATO? Trump is doing Putin's bidding.


Real World events say Trump is being led by Putin. There are no accidents going on here.

[Cosmocat]

28. well, yeah, but it still is a coup led here by a feckless dolt

Everything you say is true and it burns my ass to no end.

[flamingdem]

27. What / Who is behind this?

The Mercer guy?

Someone spent big and knew they'd be getting a return, wink wink.