At the time America went to vote, there was only one candidate under FBI investigation

[HipChick]

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and it was not Hillary Clinton, and the American public was never informed that the candidate was colluding with Russian government...

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[enid602]

1. remember

And it's important to remember that FISA warrants aren't given out lightly. They're signed by a FISA Judge, who is given PROBABLE CAUSE to believe some is apt to be a TERRORIST or FOREIGN AGENT.

[metalbot]

7. I don't believe this

And I suspect that you wouldn't either in the face of the numbers.

First off, I'm not defending Trump, and I do believe his campaign was colluding with the Russians. I'm taking issue with your assertion that "if there was a warrant, there was something going on".

A non-authoritative source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court

Look to the table and the paragraph above.

The FISA warrant rejection rate is roughly 3 warrants rejected for every 10,000 warrants requested. That's staggering.

But let's assume that the FISA judges are actually good and aren't rubber stamping warrants, and that the government is putting together compelling packets of probable cause for the 35k+ warrants that were approved. That would imply that we've had evidence that on average 1000 people a year that people were "apt to be a TERRORIST or FOREIGN AGENT".

Where are the arrests? We certainly aren't arresting 1000+ people per year for being terrorists or foreign agents. Most of our terrorism arrests seem to be dumb people who pledge allegiance to ISIS online, hook up with an FBI informant, and then go to collect a phony bomb. I don't think that's coming from FISA warrants.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Don't forget that

many of the people you are talking about possibly being "arrested" are most likely overseas and the U.S. would (theoretically) be working with those foreign governments who would be the ones to "arrest" and then "extradite" (if requested or however that is resolved if no automatic extradition agreement is in place). Any person tried in that foreign country and convicted, serves time in that foreign country. FISA wasn't really designed for domestic use. And few if any such "arrests" are worthy of being late breaking news for domestic consumption except for those times when P.R. is needed or they tie into a U.S. citizen (who is then investigated by local law enforcement in addition to federal LOE).

[enid602]

13. FISA

But how many FISA warrants were granted (or even requested) for the campaigns of Hillary, Barrack or Kerry? I don't think Republicans would have been timid in requesting them if they felt they were warranted.

[world wide wally]

15. You have a point, but 9 people working for your campaign who have Russian connection

seems beyond coincidental.

[Qutzupalotl]

19. We would not know about arrests under FISA

due to the secretive nature of the investigations. We're not even supposed to know about FISA warrants.

[MyOwnPeace]

2. But, but............

E-MAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[retrowire]

3. But the media lead many many people to believe

That she was under investigation.

And thus, their impressions were altered.

[Mr. Ected]

4. Strangely, DU was swimming in news reports of Trump's complicity with Russia prior to the election

We knew, and we were yelling at the top of our lungs, but no one was listening.

Maybe Putin greased the palms of the right members of the media. It would not be surprising in the least.

[bronxiteforever]

16. I agree. The most disturbing thing is the press only really woke up

When there was an existential threat to their profession after spray tan became potus.
Also the GOP hate machine was running on the Clintons since the 1990s. They had primed the pump on hate for her.

[tiptonic]

17. Industry

Elections r a industry now. Its all about the money. Scandals r good for business..

[UCmeNdc]

5. The solution to the Donald Trump actions is very simple

You appoint a very competent independent prosecutor and give that prosecutor subpoena powers. You have the prosecutor hold a very comprehensive, thoroughly documented, independent investigation. The prosecutor's job will be to uphold the law and bring charges against anyone that broke the law plus bring back complete credibility to the American election system. It has to be done this way to bring a resolution to the problem plus ensure that the problem does not occur again.

[pangaia]

18. The problem is WHO is "YOU?"

Because in this case, YOU is THEY.

[L. Coyote]

6. Actually, the public was informed, right here on DU, and Trump's hackers shut that down.

And, yesterday I posted about this:

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.

So DU'ers could reflect back in the context of what we now know. The cover-up was already operational during the campaign. We knew what was going on, but they had an army of bots and hackers fighting us, a chorus of megaphones drowning us out, a bribed hoard of media outlets chanting their anthem, the FBI director maligning our candidate at the last minute, and they still needed quite a few people on the inside to rig the electoral college outcome by switching some 40,000+ votes to tip the scale.



WE KNEW, but the brainwashed masses could not listen to us, could not hear us, because the criminals were fast at work, abridging our right to free speech.

[dalton99a]

9. Yes, I remember that very well.

[HipChick]

10. Majority of the public are not

on DU though..

[stonecutter357]

8. K&R!

[EllieBC]

12. Before the inauguration, didn't Sen Cummings

say if the American people knew what they had found out they wouldn't be wanting to see this inauguration? Was this why he said that? The FISA?

[mainstreetonce]

14. We should have been informed

that there was an investigation.

Comey should be charged with influencing the election.