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Been thinking about this article: HRC poisoned? (Original Post) oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 OP
... FakeNoose Mar 2017 #1
Not beyond the realm of possibility at all. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #2
I'm sure they would have released the toxicology report right then if her bloodwork showed anything butdiduvote Mar 2017 #3
Why are you sure about them releasing TheDebbieDee Mar 2017 #7
Toxicology screen not routine mainer Mar 2017 #8
The poison they used was pretty much undetectable without looking at almost every toxin out kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2017 #11
That's fair, but butdiduvote Mar 2017 #12
She could know because Comey told her in the SCIF. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #13
I think this deserves its own thread Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #15
I know most posters here see Comey as one of Satan's minions. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #17
Yes, I'm familiar with your posts, and I admit that I run new scenarios Mr. Ected Mar 2017 #18
Thanks! GliderGuider Mar 2017 #19
Poisons don't just "show up" in a toxicology report - the poisons the Russians use are very anneboleyn Mar 2017 #22
I did think of that at the time, would not surprise me sunonmars Mar 2017 #4
yep oldtime dfl_er Mar 2017 #6
I hate to think it... Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #5
It's worthy of consideration. lpbk2713 Mar 2017 #9
Since we have no idea what was said or shown to Feinstein in that briefing Boomerproud Mar 2017 #10
could be. but without intent to kill. more as a way to hurt her which was the point of all the other JI7 Mar 2017 #14
Russia does this. McCamy Taylor Mar 2017 #16
very little would surprise me, at this point. Warren DeMontague Mar 2017 #20
There were also reports of her having seizures and twitches going back to July. GliderGuider Mar 2017 #21
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Not beyond the realm of possibility at all.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:51 PM
Mar 2017

There have been a number of mysterious poisonings among Putin's enemies, not to mention other "heart attack" deaths that could easily have been poisonings. Given what we know now, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
3. I'm sure they would have released the toxicology report right then if her bloodwork showed anything
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:52 PM
Mar 2017

...instead of giving the pneumonia story that only led more people to think she was hiding a serious health problem. I'm sure she got bloodwork done when she saw her doctor.

That said, nothing would surprise me these days. I just think this is the type of thing no one would have kept to themselves. It doesn't get much more serious than literally poisoning a candidate.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
7. Why are you sure about them releasing
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:04 PM
Mar 2017

A toxicology report when it happened? But I also remember a couple of her staffers had the same symptoms at the time...

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
11. The poison they used was pretty much undetectable without looking at almost every toxin out
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:03 PM
Mar 2017

there. Apparently it took them forever to find out what the Russians poisoned that one "enemy."

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
13. She could know because Comey told her in the SCIF.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 07:31 PM
Mar 2017

I'm contemplating the possibility that the poisoning of Hillary is wrapped up with why Comey released the letter.

At this point I'm just pushing some jigsaw pieces around the board, trying to figure out what would turn them into a picture. Don't take what follows too seriously, it's just a bit of speculation using a few known facts.

My CT goes something like this:

On or just before 9/11 (nice symbolism!) someone gives Hillary a mild dose of whatever toxin it was, enough to cause severe symptoms, but not enough to kill her.

A number of weeks later somebody from the compromised NYC FBI Field Office meets with Comey. They tell him that the opposition they represent was behind Hillary's "pneumonia", which is how he finds out it was a poisoning. They give him an ultimatum: either release the letter about the emails, or else this will happen: Hillary may have survived the first "demonstration" dose, but she will die from a second larger dose. To close the trap on Comey they add the threat to frame him for obstruction of justice, for trying to block the investigation of the emails.

Comey knows a number of things: that Trump's crew is dirty; that a FISA warrant application is in progress (or has already been granted if it's in October); that he faces too many opposition forces to defeat in the time available, even with his resources; and that if he stands up to the blackmail Hillary will die, and he will no longer be able to defend the Trump/Russia investigation.

His calculus goes like this: on one side is Hillary's loss of the election and his own loss of reputation, but the retention of the investigation that is crucial to the country's continued survival; on the other side is Hillary's death, his own legal destruction, and the probable loss of the nation.

His decision is that even the horrid damage Trump could do as a temporary president isn't enough to offset the downside. If he agrees to the blackmail Hillary will be alive, and he'll still be in command of the investigation - an investigation that he knows by now is the only chance of defeating Trump/Russia over the long haul and possibly saving the nation.

So he makes the choice: he trades his own reputation and certain short-term damage to the nation, for Hillary's life and a chance to save the nation from destruction at the hands of Russia and its minions. He sends the letter, and we all know the result.

Then last week, with the investigation now maturing and Sessions recused, he meets Grassley, Feinstein, and (most of) the rest of the Senate committee in the SCIF. There he lays out the story of Hillary's poisoning and the related blackmail.

Do you think a story like that would make Grassley and Feinstein look they'd seen a ghost?

Remember, this is only a story, and I'm not Alex Jones (I promise ) But it does point out that there are probably significant things we don't know about the backstory of Comey and the letter.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
15. I think this deserves its own thread
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 07:41 PM
Mar 2017

It's an interesting theory, but I doubt we'll ever know the answer. Also, many if not most posters on DU steadfastly believe that Comey is inherently evil and always had HRC in his crosshairs, so the "I'll take one for the country to save Hillary's life" suggestion would probably be dismissed.

But these are the days of Trump and up is down and Republicans are Russians. Anything goes.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
17. I know most posters here see Comey as one of Satan's minions.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:00 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe because I'm not quite as swept up in Democratic partisanship (being Canadian and all) I've been able to maintain a more agnostic stance. That stance has recently been gelling into a belief that there's far more to the Comey story than we know - certainly more than the simplistic reading of "Comey hates Hill and wanted to screw her." That's not the man who stood in John Ashcroft's hospital room against Gonzales and Card, and it's not the man I heard speaking in the hearing on Monday.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
18. Yes, I'm familiar with your posts, and I admit that I run new scenarios
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:05 PM
Mar 2017

Through the prism of your theory. Nothing has dissuaded me as of yet.

Comey is an enigma, that's for sure.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
22. Poisons don't just "show up" in a toxicology report - the poisons the Russians use are very
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:28 PM
Mar 2017

difficult to detect, and they certainly would NOT show up in any toxicology report. They must be screened for by experts as has been shown in the multiple cases in Europe. I don't know what to say about the theory proposed here but finding a possible poisoning in a tox screen (as they must screen for the right poison) is much more difficult than your post suggests.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
5. I hate to think it...
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:13 PM
Mar 2017

But I think it's true.

It may be, for me, something to explain Feinstein and Grassley's reaction to the Comey briefing.

Nightmare scenario.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
10. Since we have no idea what was said or shown to Feinstein in that briefing
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:02 PM
Mar 2017

Everything said is just speculation. It sounds like since it's classified she is chomping at the bit to expose it-unless it's actually bad news for the Democrats.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
14. could be. but without intent to kill. more as a way to hurt her which was the point of all the other
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 07:34 PM
Mar 2017

crap they did.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
21. There were also reports of her having seizures and twitches going back to July.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:26 PM
Mar 2017

The reports of seizures are from sources with an axe to grind. They were dismissed as conspiracy theories at the time, but they are there in the record - reports from late July and mid-August, culminating in her collapse at the 9/11 ceremony. The pattern fits right in with a slow progressive poison that achieved its full effect on September 11.

The fact that she apparently made a full recovery before election day (unlikely with epilepsy) makes me even more suspicious. A recovery would fit in with the poisoning being discontinued after Comey agreed to release the letter, as in my little CT above.

Google "Hillary Clinton twitches" and you'll see what I mean.

It's a murky, Byzantine world.

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