Rachel is talking about BOTS drowning pro Hillary stuff

[fun n serious]

We know here on DU tolls did a good job of drowning pro- Hillary people out. It's something we need to pay attention to and be aware of. Many of us here fell for the bullshit.

[uponit7771]

1. Her show is a TV level clearinghouse for the Russian hacking

[fun n serious]

2. I'm glad.

We really need to pay attention to this. It is still happening by Russians in some sites.

[uponit7771]

3. +1

[L. Coyote]

64. Here's the VIDEO:

Also here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017430193

[elleng]

4. by pretending they were pro-Bernie.

Many in many places fell for it. RT etc.

[fun n serious]

6. Yes and some still are.

I see some pro Bernie people using terms like " deep state" and think WTF!?

[True Blue American]

45. The Bernie Adoration Society

Is all over the net. Claiming he is the future of the Democratic Party.

Not for my party!

I watched all the brilliant young Democrats in the Comey hearing lay out fact after fact.

That,my friends is the face of my party,men and women.

[KPN]

53. A lot of them are okay with Bernie.

[KPN]

54. Yup.

[msanthrope]

57. Lordy. nt

[northoftheborder]

5. Watch Rachel now or later on online. New material....

..... at least for me. More and more BAD.

[nolabear]

7. Swamping Bernie sites with fake stories about Hillary. I wish we could come back together

and understand that we were played in ways we couldn't possibly have seen and were divided and conquered because we tended to trust. They went beyond what decent people could imagine doing and because we were all used to doing things with some honesty and integrity we were demolished. Good people turned on one another because of lies implanted by people who wanted our country destroyed.

We OWE it to ourselves to come back together, to talk to one another. Of course we can disagree and even fight for what we believe but if we don't find ways to compromise and work together we are going to be brought down. It hasn't happened quite yet; this I believe. But we need to learn to talk and to care about one another again.

Or we are gone.

[elleng]

8. 'Good people turned on one another because of lies implanted by people

who wanted our country destroyed.'

[msanthrope]

58. Um.....nt

[Hortensis]

68. Well, 90% of Bernie followers moved to back Hillary after

she won the primary, as almost all expected to all along if he lost. Many of them ARE "us," and many still like him also. We really, really need to respect sensible Bernie-Hillary supporters and NOT confuse them with what has developed into a fringe extreme still identifying with his name.

As for that other, though, THAT <10% includes many who actually are in for some destruction, anything from relatively minor "reforms" the party opposes up to and including Bannon's version and/or others. Both extremists who despise cooperation and moderation and resentful "populists" with intense antagonism toward an amorphous "the establishment," both predisposed by nature against Democratic Party mainstream candidates. And for the kind of lies and conspiracy constructs that prove them right about everything.

Bernie spent his quarter century in congress as effectively a mainstream Democrat, but using his very real oratorical abilities to identify himself as very different and constantly badmouthing Democrats made many of these people flock to his left-wing version of "I alone will fix it" message. Rump was also wooing them with his populist message.

A long way of saying, sure the <10% included some who were just carried along by the spirit a while longer before regaining their clarity.

But the rest of this determined opposition are who and what they are. They will not change. And if destruction, or "revolution" as they rallied to this time, is what it'll take to defeat the Democrats and Republicans, many will be in for it again. Under a new, shinier, younger, and far better funded leader, I'm guessing. Right or left wing is an individual decision, and at very least caring Democrats should not be encouraging them to go right.

[fun n serious]

9. Yes and they still are doing it on a smaller level..

Some of it is irreversible. I see some Bernie people who post pro Russia propaganda all the time. Some are even complaining about Rachel Maddow exposing Russia.

[nolabear]

14. I think ignoring that and moving to heal rifts with those willing

is a good idea. We're not all going to get what we want in total but we who value a lot of what Bernie stands for and those who can appreciate what Hillary has done, and are willing to transfer that set of ideals to people who will run in the future stand to regain a WHOLE lot of lost ground. Those not interested or who want to keep fighting...just ignore them. Completely.

[fun n serious]

15. Yes and Yes there Bernie and Hillary both are good people.

[Gore1FL]

31. +1,000,000 nt

I tried typing "+ 10^6" but title turned it into 106, which is distinctly different!

[True Blue American]

46. Well,after all, Bernie is a Socialist.

Always was,always will be.

[truebluegreen]

61. ....

[KPN]

55. You must be looking for that sort of stuff. I'm a big time fan of Bernie's ... haven't

seen or heard a thing like that. Can you provide some links?

[jumptheshadow]

10. Agreed

The existential crisis we face is much bigger than any factions, or, for that matter, any party.

Let's put past disputes aside.

[Hekate]

21. You are right, and I'm sick about it. What can we do to heal and protect our site? nt

[nolabear]

25. That's a very good question and worth pursuing.

If I was doing couples counseling I'd say have a discussion in which you only talk about what you're thinking and feeling for quite some time and not what anyone else says or does. And if something troubles you about what the person you're talking to says let them know that and ask for clarification. Then if you still are upset by it let them know why and the two of you try to figure out how much you each need to hang on to the original thoughts or feelings and how much you can compromise. And there are layers and layers of that within any discussion.

My least favorite comment on DU is the "and there are many on DU who do that too" comment when bringing in others to drag up old fights stops the conversation in its tracks and turns into a rehash of old wounds.

[Hekate]

29. Good start, but we had a home invasion robbery and assault, so to speak.....

So the first order of business (at least imo) is to repair the back door and install security cams.

But group therapy's good, too.

[nolabear]

67. Absolutely! All reasonable cautions apply.

If someone is being abused that has to be stopped. And you can't sing kumbaya with someone holding you hostage. But there are, I know, some people who are hurt and angry but willing to at least have a conversation. I expect we'd have to endure hearing some strange sounding descriptions of ourselves and so would they. But it is the only way to stop all of us just running to our familiar corners and throwing stones.

[aikoaiko]

22. What fake stories are you recalling?

I'm having hard time looking back and seeing this. I mean there is alway a moderate level of conspiracy theory or jumping the news gun at DU, but its always been a part of the mix.

[nolabear]

32. I'd have to research Rachel's report to be more specific.

Over the next few days the names of the Albanian bots and the "Bernie Lovers" site that funneled fake Hillary stories to his supporters, who forwarded them on. I didn't know this at all so it will take more than I have right this moment to dig up the sources.

I understand the scepticism.

[aikoaiko]

38. Thank you. I'll watch the repeat of tonight's Rachel show to learn more.

[nolabear]

40. You're welcome. Maybe we can both find out more.

[vlyons]

52. Next time around - lesson learned

Support whom ever you like in the primary, and support the Dem candidate in the general - even if you must hold your nose in the voting booth. No staying home to sulk. No slinking off to vote for a hopeless 3rd party candidate. Get real and get rid of Republicans!

[NBachers]

11. I remember the courage it took around here to keep doggedly supporting Clinton and admiring Obama.

It was a lot easier to just not say anything positive about the two.

The targeting of Hillary supporters here on DU was disgraceful.

[SunSeeker]

13. Yep, ironically WE were the called authoritarians for supporting Hillary. nt

[dalton99a]

17. +1

[butdiduvote]

47. My mental health honestly suffered for it.

I knew I wasn't doing anything wrong by supporting Hillary, that she wasn't any of those terrible things people were accusing me of supporting, yet I couldn't so much as say "I like Hillary" without being viciously attacked. I wanted to be outwardly excited to be supporting the first woman major-party candidate, and instead it seemed like everyone wanted me just to shut up. Being a Hillary supporter honestly wasn't very fun. Sure, there were fun moments, and sure we were proud of the values being represented in her campaign, but to be a Hillary supporter was to feel constantly under attack. We experienced a (relatively) small bit of what it's like to be Hillary Clinton directly. People came after us as individuals, insulting our very character. It was and remains very personal. We deserve many apologies. I doubt we'll ever get them.

[apcalc]

60. I'm with you.

Still pissed to see how she was villified....the one good candidate on the presidential ticket, the one who would actually help our country...and to feel vitriol for supporting her even here...

[Callmecrazy]

16. Does any of this crap matter?

The election is done and there are no do-overs.
I don't care if I ever see Hill or Bill ever again. Their time is passed. Move on with your lives, folks. The Clintons aren't coming back.
And neither is Bernie.
When the Finland story breaks, Trump will be gone too, guaranteed.

[NBachers]

18. So, what is the Finland story? Please clue us in.

Also, these comments are relevant. I am determined never to let Democratic Underground disintegrate into that kind of abuse again.

My concerns, and the lessons I have learned here, are not "crap."

[Callmecrazy]

19. I'm not starting any rumors...

If the story breaks, you'll know. If it doesn't, you won't. Just remember I said it first.

[Hekate]

24. I call bullshit

[HurricaneWarning]

34. Put up

or shut up.

[Gore1FL]

36. I hope to see the Fin(n)ish of Trump's time in office before next autumn!

I doubt that's what the poster meant though!

[Hekate]

23. Okay, Callmecrazy, I'll call you crazy

But mostly I will call you wrong. It matters. We got attacked and we got played. It matters. While our nation was attacked, our discussion board was vandalized all to hell.

And now you tell us to excise the institutional memory and wisdom of our Party, because Sanders and both the Clintons "time has passed"? "Move on with your lives, folks."

Really? Move on to what, exactly? We'll kill off our elders and the world will be reborn? This you call a plan?

[JHan]

28. well the point is not to be a victim of disinformation and exercise diligence consuming info.

We're in an information war, AI is being weaponized to frame and shape narratives and even "reality".

This isn't about Clinton, or Bernie or Trump but the future of politics and tools used to shape public opinion.

[Cha]

30. No, Hillary and Bill's time hasn't passed..

We need all hands on deck.

As yes it does matter.

[L. Coyote]

33. YES, absolutely because it is still going on. You are the perfect example

of how the situation works, diversion and interjecting an assault on the Clintons and on Bernie.

[nolabear]

35. Doesn't hurt to plow common ground for the future though.

[fun n serious]

51. Yes, the Russia stuff is still going on

and will continue unless we educate ourselves about trolls and bots

[aikoaiko]

20. What are example of BOTS drowning out pro-Hillary stuff. Can you find the posts?

There were a lot of newcomers who were pro-Bernie and pro-Hillary were arrived with very strong opinions on mainstream and fringe issues and then suddenly vanished.

[nolabear]

27. Well I for one trusted Rachel's broadcasts. Give a listen when you can.

She named some names.

[L. Coyote]

37. Bots took complete control of the narrative and determined what trended on Twitter.

This is an example screen captured. They all forgot to attach the same link, all have half faces, and weird names.



READ THIS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512590830

[aikoaiko]

41. Maybe its because I'm old and dismiss anything "newsy" from twitter, but

that sort of thing was not the stuff that brought Bernie and Hillary supporters to highly stressed interactions during or after the primaries.

I look at the screen shot and I have no feelings or thoughts because I don't even understand what is trying to be communicated.

[Honeycombe8]

43. You know, there's this little bug that follows you around everywhere. :)

[L. Coyote]

44. Did you follow and read the link?

Trump incited the beating of a protestor, and the story became him being swept off stage and fake news about an assassination attempt. Were it not for their control of the narrative, the media would have been reporting that Trump caused a man to be beaten and sexually assaulted at his rally. Instead, he became the victim while it was nearly impossible to find out the truth.

[aikoaiko]

59. Yes, that story I understood but that story went no where quick. No one was really talking it about.

Whenever there is a news event there is always a certain amount of speculation here and everywhere on the internet, but the mere speculation rolls away except for a few places that live off of it (e.g., infowars).

The assassination attempt "story" didn't down out anything.

This was true long before this election.

[duncang]

62. The twitter and facebooks posts were not the only thing used.

They also had live trolls posting to twitter, facebook, forums and blogs. Also making up fake news stations websites and linking to them. I remember seeing one what was posing a local small town U.S. news station on line. But it was a fake site run from overseas supporting dipshit. They ran "news" stories to dilute real news. This with the help of bots boosting hit numbers can get it listed early on sites like google news, yahoo, etc. I remember seeing sites like google news showing up links to rt news and some of the fake sites turning up more during the elections. They were probably using bots to increase rankings on news sites.

One thing that wasn't mentioned was the online company dipshit hired and listed on his fec filings being paid from campaign funds. Was a company I believe out of San Antonio Texas. They do on line blitzes to help campaigns, companies, etc to improve image. There were questions as to what exactly they were doing. Because it wasn't running paid ads. I wonder if that was a possible collusion point between the campaign and russia.

I was a member of a different on line forum several years back. They had a A.I. bot "member" it wouldn't make new posts but would post responses. Sometimes it didn't make sense but sometimes it did seem to fit in with the conversation. It did get "smarter" the more it was used. Sometimes people who didn't know it was a bot would get in conversations with it. Not realizing it was just a program. And that was a early version of what they have now.

[L. Coyote]

63. It was highly coordinated and operating at lightning speed, with computer programming.

All the aspects tied together and supported each other. The bots drove the rank of the fake sites. Computers read the feed from Twitter and responded in milliseconds. Trends were controlled and related content algorithms exploited. And news rank was certainly advanced by retweeting, etc.

Wish I had bookmarked more of the reporting on this. It is out there to find.

How to Fight Fake News and Misinformation? Research Helps Point the Way

[True Blue American]

48. And a good share of them were not Democrats at all. The hate Hillary posts on different boards

Was terrible. They are starting it up again.

[HurricaneWarning]

26. I started this election process as a Hillary supporter.

I liked Bernie a lot and listened to him every Friday on Brunch with Bernie. I just didn't think he could win. As time went on I felt like the Bernie supporters were going bat shit crazy and I couldn't understand why. Now I know.

[Initech]

39. I'm trying to drown out the pro Trump hate speech on Twitter.

And there has been quite a lot of it lately.

[oasis]

42. Replay of Rachel's show at 9:00 pm pacific.

[benld74]

49. Last Homeland episode has similar ongoing

Background going as well. Really creepy knowing a show is doing it for entertainment when it actually occurred and may occur again

[Lucinda]

50. TY KNR

[Mc Mike]

56. And FBI investigations about whether breitbart and bircher infowars were willing agents

or useful idiots.

I'm plunking down on 'willing useful idiot agents'.

[BainsBane]

65. This serves as a crucial caution

to not believe something just because one wants it to be true. That is why I don't take alternative sources at face value. That includes sites like Politicsua, occupydemocrats, and the palmerreport. If I read them, I look to see what their source is, since they never break news but rather spin it. We need to critically examine sources regardless of whether the reporting supports or challenges our own views.

I hope people have learned that just because they see something online they want to believe doesn't make it true.

[Gothmog]

66. Russia's info-war doctrine: it's not just for war time

Link to tweet