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Mz Pip

(27,453 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:02 PM Jun 2012

We need a ACA lie debunking thread.

I figured it wouldn't take long and it didn't. I've already started to get emails positing all of the horrors that will occur now that ACA has been upheld.

I know that plenty of people feel that such crap should just be ignored and deleted much less posted on DU but to me a lie that remains unchallenged is a lie that will spread as the truth.

We used to have a Propaganda Debunking Group that was rarely utilized. Maybe we could have a ACA smear debunking thread that could be pinned for quick reference.

It's a suggestion...

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We need a ACA lie debunking thread. (Original Post) Mz Pip Jun 2012 OP
Although this doesn't involve an ACA lie, I was wondering if someone could shed some light for me. ScruffyTheJanitor Jun 2012 #1
Nothing has changed. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #3
here's a good place to start ... zbdent Jun 2012 #2
we've had bunches. we've also had DUers purposefully pushing the rush\hannity lies about ACA. dionysus Jun 2012 #4
1. Although this doesn't involve an ACA lie, I was wondering if someone could shed some light for me.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 04:29 PM
Jun 2012

With this ruling that the mandate is constitutional and that Congress can impose a tax on those who do not purchase health insurance, do the original rules outlined in the ACA in relation to the IRS still apply since this tax was not initially a "tax?"

Here is the statute:

(g) Administration and procedure.--

(1) In general.--The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.


(2) Special rules.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law--

(A) Waiver of criminal penalties.--In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.

(B) Limitations on liens and levies.--The Secretary shall not--
(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

With the current ruling, does the IRS have the ability to selectively enforce this law using the statute I posted? I admit, I'm not well-versed on this subject.

TIA

Son of Gob

(1,502 posts)
3. Nothing has changed.
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 05:39 PM
Jun 2012
(a) Requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage
An applicable individual shall for each month beginning after
2013 ensure that the individual, and any dependent of the
individual who is an applicable individual, is covered under
minimum essential coverage for such month.
(b) Shared responsibility payment
(1) In general
If a taxpayer who is an applicable individual, or an applicable
individual for whom the taxpayer is liable under paragraph (3),
fails to meet the requirement of subsection (a) for 1 or more
months, then, except as provided in subsection (e), there is
hereby imposed on the taxpayer a penalty with respect to such
failures in the amount determined under subsection (c).
(2) Inclusion with return
Any penalty imposed by this section with respect to any month
shall be included with a taxpayer's return under chapter 1 for
the taxable year which includes such month.

(3) Payment of penalty
If an individual with respect to whom a penalty is imposed by
this section for any month -
(A) is a dependent (as defined in section 152) of another
taxpayer for the other taxpayer's taxable year including such
month, such other taxpayer shall be liable for such penalty, or
(B) files a joint return for the taxable year including such
month, such individual and the spouse of such individual shall
be jointly liable for such penalty.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/26C48.txt
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