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L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:06 AM Mar 2017

Any WH Staffer or Campaign Assoc Purging Phone Faces 20 Years in Prison

Any WH Staffer or Campaign Assoc Purging Phone Faces 20 Years in Prison for Obstruction of Justice
By FrankDiPrima Mar 24, 2017 · 8:28 PM PDT

Andrea Mitchell reported on Friday on MSNBC, at 12:55 p.m. EDT, that a single source told her that White House staffers have been purging their cell phones of texts for fear that they may be subpoenaed in any of the multiple investigations into Russian interference in the U.S. presidential election, including the Trump Campaign’s complicity in such Russian interference.

This is, yes, a single source, and unconfirmed. But any White House staffer, and anyone else on the White House staff, or anyone who was formally or informally in or associated with the Trump Campaign, from the President on down to a temporary clerk, should be forewarned — any one of you who destroys any electronic evidence, or who knowingly fails to preserve evidence, may face 20 years in prison. The federal criminal code at 18 U.S.C.A. 1873 defines the crime of Obstruction of Justice. Its broadest relevant subsection, 18 U.S. Code § 1519, states the following in the broadest but starkest terms:

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Any WH Staffer or Campaign Assoc Purging Phone Faces 20 Years in Prison (Original Post) L. Coyote Mar 2017 OP
That'd be great. dchill Mar 2017 #1
I hope they are all in a cold cold sweat. nt Hekate Mar 2017 #2
I know, me too. 2naSalit Mar 2017 #4
Bonus. CentralMass Mar 2017 #3
Were they advised to retain records or under subpoena? 33taw Mar 2017 #5
I do believe so.... Raster Mar 2017 #7
The article says they were purging for fear of a subpoena. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #14
Several weeks ago WH counsel ordered retention. No doubt WH was subpoened. They hired 24 attorneys. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #25
Yes, the investigative committee told them to preserve everything. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #29
Thanks, then yes, they may be in violation of the law. 33taw Mar 2017 #31
Purge away...because I would not be surprised if there weren't some type of warrants... Raster Mar 2017 #6
Actually, parts of the FBI were called "TrumpLand" because of the # of Trumpers. Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #16
I realize there certainly was a contingent at the FBI, especially the NYC office... Raster Mar 2017 #20
The "TrumpLand" FBI agents are under investigation and this case is Counter-Intel Division, a L. Coyote Mar 2017 #26
I heard that. Good. They're partly to blame for this disaster of a Prez we have. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #28
KNR Lucinda Mar 2017 #8
Does that include Mr.Bill Mar 2017 #9
Bring. It. 3catwoman3 Mar 2017 #10
"LOCK THEM UP!" yuiyoshida Mar 2017 #11
Exactly! Isn't this exactly what they accused HR Clinton of? Midnight Writer Mar 2017 #12
Absolutely right... yuiyoshida Mar 2017 #13
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2017 #17
Ooooh boy. I think they are in a shit ton of trouble as i am willing to bet they ALL AgadorSparticus Mar 2017 #15
A lot of them have no idea what the law is. Many of them are truly ignorant. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #30
Man, I wish our government had okay'd cell data sifting a decade ago. Oh, wait; that's right! Crash2Parties Mar 2017 #18
Do the service providers not have records Flaleftist Mar 2017 #19
There may be surveillance in place on some of them, meaning the deletions are already detected. L. Coyote Mar 2017 #27
Service providers have info regarding inbound and outbound data. 33taw Mar 2017 #32
Shameful and shameless... Chicago1980 Mar 2017 #21
I'm reminded of... LompocDem Mar 2017 #22
How would someone find a deleted text? Blue_Roses Mar 2017 #23
Correction - Transition people purging their personal phones NOT Justice Mar 2017 #24

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. The article says they were purging for fear of a subpoena.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:08 AM
Mar 2017

So they haven't been served with one. The question is...why not? If there is a criminal investigation, seems that the intel agencies would get a subpoena for cell phones and computers and even landline phone voicemail.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
25. Several weeks ago WH counsel ordered retention. No doubt WH was subpoened. They hired 24 attorneys.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:35 AM
Mar 2017

That was a Tuesday, I think. Friday Trump did his Obama accusation tweets, revealing a lot--nervousness, guilt, and the only strategy left to a cornered crook, try to get the evidence throw out as (politically) tainted.

The White House now has more attorneys working in the WH Counsel's office than Bush had at the peak of their scandals.



This was when the WH got confirmation a secret FISA court was after Trump. Before that they only had the DU post, Mother Jones, and Louise Mensch as sources.

33taw

(2,446 posts)
31. Thanks, then yes, they may be in violation of the law.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:04 PM
Mar 2017

The good thing is all of that data is likely backed up at their provider or on the recipients device. All of the transactions can be traced by the providers.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. Purge away...because I would not be surprised if there weren't some type of warrants...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 01:15 AM
Mar 2017

...already in place allowing the FBI or NSA to electronically surveil for this reason alone. And let's face it, members of tRump*s loyalist staff are probably NOT the most favorite persons of the US Intelligence community.

Here's hoping stupid is as stupid does. I want to see them all frog-marched out of 1600.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Actually, parts of the FBI were called "TrumpLand" because of the # of Trumpers.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:10 AM
Mar 2017

They were suspected of being the leaks to Trump and the public about Hillary emails and that there was going to be a new "surprise" that Guiliani let slip on a late night tv show...and then the "surprise" happened. I think the surprise was when Comey announce shortly before the election that the Clinton investigation was not over because there might possibly be something they would be looking at.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
20. I realize there certainly was a contingent at the FBI, especially the NYC office...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:36 AM
Mar 2017

...I DO NOT BELIEVE that the same rogue anti-HRC contingent had their hooks in the NSA. I think the rogue, anti-HRC faction was entwined with Ghouliani and the retired chief of the NYC office, AND ALSO with Mercer*. I realize the US Intelligence Services probably have a major conservative bent, but I do believe most are patriots and CAN see the forest through the treasonous trees. Only a truly stupid person in any official capacity could believe that tRump* is good for this country.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
26. The "TrumpLand" FBI agents are under investigation and this case is Counter-Intel Division, a
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:39 AM
Mar 2017

very different group of people than the NY Giulliani loyalists. FBI is doing internal investigation of the political activities of the TrumpLand contingent, no report yet on the results.

yuiyoshida

(41,835 posts)
11. "LOCK THEM UP!"
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 01:51 AM
Mar 2017
Can we start with Jeff Sessions, since he is the one who was going to crusade against Marijuana??

We really need a marijuana smiley!

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
15. Ooooh boy. I think they are in a shit ton of trouble as i am willing to bet they ALL
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 02:08 AM
Mar 2017

deleted info immediately. This is a group that thinks they are above the law.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
27. There may be surveillance in place on some of them, meaning the deletions are already detected.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 09:41 AM
Mar 2017

Word leaked of the deletions. One has to ask how that got out. Who made sure the information became public?

33taw

(2,446 posts)
32. Service providers have info regarding inbound and outbound data.
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:08 PM
Mar 2017

The other parties data can be subpoenaed as well. They have a mess on their hands. What a bunch of rookies.

LompocDem

(143 posts)
22. I'm reminded of...
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:20 AM
Mar 2017

The speed traps that cops use to catch people who don't know local ordinances. This trap is ages old and used against both innocent and guilty. The guilty, the ones who actually do know the law but are in CYA (cover your ass) mode don't really think clearly in their panic to purge their complicity. Unless the staff were using burner phones, which is another personal legal liability, all their cell records and content of texts are available to the IC community thanks to the Patriot Act and it's loosening of domestic intelligence gathering restrictions. Thanks to Bush, and the knee jerk reaction and the loosening of the restrictions that diminished and undermined our civil rights after 9/11, the Republicans are suffering and whining about those same 'protections to our safety' that they were totally for to the extent of calling anyone against the Patriot act as an UnAmerican Commie Socialist liberal. Talk about unintended consequences...this is a real bite in their ass.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
23. How would someone find a deleted text?
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 03:26 AM
Mar 2017

I thought once a text is deleted it is gone forever. How would anyone know?

Justice

(7,188 posts)
24. Correction - Transition people purging their personal phones NOT
Sat Mar 25, 2017, 04:42 AM
Mar 2017

Last edited Sat Mar 25, 2017, 12:23 PM - Edit history (1)


Necessarily people who are now in the WH ----

Andrea said transition people purging their personal phones.
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