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This was a foreign invasion.
Those that sided and abetted better start copping plea deals and squealing their heads off because this time I don't think justice is going to fuck around.
I hear there's panic in the Whitehouse.
H2O Man
(73,622 posts)on steroids. (But we shouldn't make jokes about Trump's shrunken nuts.)
Nixon, too was guilty of dealing with the enemy. He told the N Vietnamese delgation to hold off on negotiating with LBJ, as he would offer them a better deal. This was only proven recently, when tapes were revealed per FOIA.
Though people were aware of it, there was recent confirmation of candidate Nixon's violating the Logan Act in 1968. He actually had the message sent to South Vietnam:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?_r=0
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Hard to put folks like Roger Stone in the category!
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)R and E
just reaching here, obviously
got any other comparisons.....I am limited in imagination
Phoenix61
(17,019 posts)I hope the leaks have them rattled as hell. Not to mention suspicious bordering on paranoid. But I guess it's not paranoia because we are out to get them.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)We all know people.
Some in influential positions.
Trump really is in way over his head. No public employee experience.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Yeah, that's a YUUUUUUGE difference.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Nixon sabotaged the Paris peace conf in 1968 to give him an advantage over Johnson.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/
It's pretty unclear Johnson wanted peace either in 1968. But Nixon's activity was still fairly treasonous.
And yes Reagan should have been out after colluding with Iran too.
Elwood P Dowd
(11,443 posts)Younger DUers don't remember that. LBJ left tapes of discussions he had with repuke senators about Nixon' s treason.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)They both involved the prez. That's it.
Watergate was a botched third rate burglary and the subsequent cover up.
This is high treason.
But the trying to piece together what the players have done, scouring everything looking for clues, and who will drop dime feels very familiar.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)White House staffers are deleting messages, tweets, email from their phones, both official and personal phones -- they are worried about subpoenas.
Deleting won't work. Most of the stuff that's deleted can be recovered through forensic examination of the phone.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)so now they are committing crimes..the whole herd of them.
I can hardly wait to see the movie.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)have no fears.?
I think you're right about that.
butdiduvote
(284 posts)I can't escape this feeling that one day Comey is going to announce he's giving his final verdict, and it's gonna be like the Hillary emails presser all over again where half the country is waiting to hear someone is going to prison and then nothing (not that the two situations are comparable!)
The one thing that gives me hope is listening back to Hillary's campaign speeches where she talks about the Trump campaign and Russian interference. She sounds honestly disturbed, not like she's just playing dirty campaign politics. I don't trust all of these random Twitter sources, but I do trust Hillary if she says there's something major there.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Kablooie
(18,641 posts)What would force them to impeach?
Illegal actions wouldn't be enough.
Only if public outrage becomes so strong that they have to do something or risk losing their jobs.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Democrats need to work together to develop a strategy to uncover Russiagate. This involves ranking members in the House and Senate. Schiff seems to be using the media in a proactive way to advance the quest to get to the bottom of this saga.
One of the best things we can do is to turn the Republican strategies back on them. Encourage their infighting. Use distraction to get Republicans to agree to hearings.
While they are fighting each other, we need to get our butts into gear and marshal resources to Congressional races. We should be organizing now. I haven't heard much from the DNC, but there is a short window to get staffers vetted and hired and to get campaign offices up and running.