It looks like Trump is going to ask "us" to save his floundering presidency.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

One senior administration official says the White House now has their eyes on courting moderate Democrats. That official said they plan to reach out to House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer and other rank-and-file Democrats who they think will be amenable to infrastructure spending and tax reform. The White House has already made contact with the Congressional Black Caucus.

Chief of Staff Reince Priebus appeared to telegraph that approach Sunday by repeatedly saying on Fox News Sunday that they need to reach out to moderate Democrats.

"The last 48 hours were about letting the dust settle, and the next week will be about talking to Democrats," said another senior administration official who was involved in pushing the health care bill on the Hill.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/white-house-trump-health-care-236527

Pity the Democrat who helps him.

[cilla4progress]

1. Well, if they want.to do something serious on infrastructure

I'm all for it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I wouldn't trust Trump further than I can throw him.

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I already established the conditions he must meet before we cooperate with him:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028855540

[Hortensis]

42. He's a permanent ding-dong. Not just a dishonorable swindler,

but probably literally incapable of being trustworthy.

Doesn't it seem really doubtful that the hard right would allow him to go moderate. Surely every interested faction, both official and those hiding in the shadows, in this country and out, has something on him.

But could this mean extremists like Bannon, Ryan, Mercer, Kochs, "Freedom caucus), etc., are losing much of the influence they've established on him? He just moved his more moderate son-in-law up...

[lapucelle]

57. I really like your idea of Trump pulling Gorsuch

and replacing him with Garland as a show of a sincere sense of commity and a true good faith effort.

[DrDan]

10. agree completely - we need major efforts here

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. This is the guy who was willing to throw 24,000,000 people off of health care as late as Friday...

This is the guy who was willing to throw 24,000,000 people off of health care as late as Friday, many of whom will get sick and die, so he could have a "win".

It reminds me of the hapless sporting goods store owner in the Sopranos who got in a business deal with Tony to pay off a gambling debt and lost not only his store but his family. And this guy's kid was a friend of Tony's kid.

There is no working with a sociopath.

[DrDan]

18. so you prefer to let the bridges, dams, and highways crumble

I prefer to see some adults working together to solve this problem

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I prefer not to work with a sociopath whose raison d'etre is self promotion and word is of no value.

Kind of like Tony except he even had pangs of conscience.

The idea that Trump is going to get a GOP Congress encumbered by the Hastert rule to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure while simultaneously cutting taxes is fanciful.

[cilla4progress]

27. Sure

That's why it must be "serious." Right now I'm trusting Schumer, Pelosi, Bernie and other leaders on our side to know and do the right thing.


Hell, Bernie said as much yesterday on health care.

[WinkyDink]

35. Oh, yes; it's now on the Democrats, is it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Trump is trying to divide us the way he divided his own party

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”


― Benjamin Franklin

[DrDan]

45. you know perfectly well that I did not say that . . .

[WinkyDink]

48. The Republicans control everything. We must look to 2018 and 2020. The bridges will keep.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. You have to entertain the possibility this is a ploy to give us the hot potato and divide us.

What better way to deflect from GOP infighting than to foster Democratic infighting?

That is why good will is so important.

[Demsrule86]

53. His bill would privatize infrastructure...so

business with be supposed to keep up road and manage tolls etc...it is a non-starter as far as I am concerned. We can't support this.

[DrDan]

65. his bills are written on the back of a matchbook - everything is open for changes

I would also not support privatization - he might consider it a starting-point - but that does not mean we have to.

Negotiate.

[dalton99a]

26. You don't help a snake. He'll blame Democrats no matter what. And his voters will never change.

[WinkyDink]

23. Nope. Look, Trump is literally a traitor. LITERALLY. He must be brought to justice, not worked with.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Now that he is licking his wounds he comes to us for succor?

Eff that.

[WinkyDink]

47. Yepper.

[Ilsa]

41. My fear is he will have Eric create a Trump

Bridge Construction company to take all of the contracts at three times actual contract anyone else would bid, and then it'll fall apart easier than Legos the first time someone drives across it.

[NewJeffCT]

58. Their plans for infrastructure will be privatize and offer

huge tax cuts for big corporations to pay for it.

So, we intsead of Interstate highway 95 that runs from Maine to Miami, we get The Wal-Mart and Exxon-Mobil Thruway, with all rest stops required to have ExxonMobil gas and food from Wal-Mart's Neighborhood Market. Oh, and tolls will be quadrupled in most areas, but heavily traveled ones (Boston to DC) will be increased ten fold.

And, we have the Goldman Sachs Airport at Newark, with a new $20 per head toll on top of other fees.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

2. Is Jon Stewart's gospel choir still available?

[RoBear]

3. Oh, hell no.

On second thought, we'll help him like the repugnican'ts helped Obama.

Let him twist slowly in the wind!

[greymattermom]

5. Sure, if Democrats can write the bills.

Why not? Let's have some infrastructure, student loans worked out, some improvements to the ACA, the list goes on.

[Freddie]

39. this

I'm all for infrastructure spending IF it's done in a way to give people good jobs and not to shovel $$ into huge corporations. I have no problem with Dems working with Dolt 45 if the end result is something we want that makes things better for actual people (not just shareholders).

[Hortensis]

43. Help write the bills. The ACA has 200+ amendments

inserted by the Republicans as they pretended to work with us to create a bill they could vote for. You know, the way the legislative process is supposed to work (until time came to vote on this one, of course).

But, sure, we'll be willing to genuinely work with them again. And we'd be the ones who could refuse to vote if we didn't like the final product, just not lying and deceiving that it was fine before.

[MineralMan]

6. The response from Democrats should consist of one word: Resign!

That's my position.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Until he's cleared of treason Democrats could be seen as countenancing it .

Until he's cleared of treason Democrats could be seen as countenancing it in return for blandishments. That would be a bad look.

[MineralMan]

9. After eight years of continuous obstructionism from the Republicans,

I believe Democrats should stand strong against cooperating with any attempt to move the country rightward. Period.

Our Democratic Congress members and Senators should simply say "No. We will not participate in the destruction of this nation."

[dalton99a]

36. +1

[Vogon_Glory]

8. Yes, Let's throw Donnie life-line

With a great, big boat-anchor at the end of it!

[CentralMass]

11. I don't think that he can be trusted.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Of course he can't be trusted.

[WinkyDink]

20. Ya don't THINK?! Nooooo! Not the man who insisted Obama isn't an AMERICAN?!

[dalton99a]

30. His voters will still chant "Lock her up" four years from now

[Blue_Roses]

14. This is where that old saying goes

"Don't burn your bridges..."

Funny how karma has a way of making her rounds. Can you imagine him saying to his piranhas at his rallys, "we need to reach out to moderate Dems?" They would tear him up. But, here comes karma.

While I am in the "hell no camp," I look at my kids and think that's not the way I want them to be. We may be "too nice", but it's because we genuinely care. So, I say, sure we'll work with you, but there will be ground rules first. And we won't be shy if we suspect betrayal. (good luck with that)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. He called Obama an alien, Hillary a criminal, and Schumer a clown...

And we're supposed to work with him?

[Blue_Roses]

22. It's not for him, but for us

By no means do I think we should just roll-over and play dead, while they pilfer through our rights. We've had President Obama fighting for us for 8 years. We know what to do.

[cilla4progress]

31. This

EOM

[spanone]

15. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......

no.

[phylny]

17. Nope. nt

[WinkyDink]

19. Seconding "Oh, HELL, no." Trump the Traitor must be IMPEACHED! LOCK HIM UP! WHERE ARE HIS TAXES?!

[WinkyDink]

24. He is cunning, not smart. He wants a reason TO BLAME DEMOCRATS FOR REAL NEXT TIME.

[dalton99a]

28. Cunning and dangerous.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Exactly. He is trying to divide us like he divided his own party.

He's a breaker, not a maker.

[WinkyDink]

34. Very. To our rights, our finances, our health, our national security.

[dalton99a]

54. If the Freedom Causus had voted for Trumpcare, he'd be tweeting their praise to high heavens

[dalton99a]

25. Help Trump succeed at your peril.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. Fat chance.

[Motley13]

32. very hard to cooperate with a treasonous liar

[NurseJackie]

38. Anyone who does would be a COLLABORATOR...

... and that's my opinion.

[Kaleva]

44. It's not a matter of helping him. It's a matter of using him.

I'm all for using Trump to enact good legislation. He seems to be all over the political spectrum and more interested in chalking up a win even if the legislation is what one would consider progressive.

[WinkyDink]

49. You forget about Ryan, Pence, et al. These evil men will not sit idly by!

[maxrandb]

46. NO WAY!!

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When Dracula was roasting in the sun, did Van Helsing give him an umbrella?

When the shark from Jaws was chewing on Quinn, did Brody give him a toothpick?

When Hanibal Lechter was sautéing his neighbors kidneys, did Clarice pass him the salt?

Not only NO, but FUCK NO!

[WinkyDink]

50. I could listen to you all day. :-)

[Demsrule86]

51. Steny is completely loyal to Nancy...

and the Dems can hold a caucus together.

[tallahasseedem]

55. Nope.

He never planned on working with us and didn't want anything to do with us. Throw him a bag of bricks without a rope.

[Peachhead22]

56. I'm sure that'll go over well with R's in Congress /s

You know, the people who can do the most damage re: Russiagate investigations.

I hope he keeps on angering the only people protecting him. In the meantime he can help our side with stuff like infrastructure improvements* and the public option.**

*if they're done the right way and not an excuse to privatize more stuff.

**super unlikely. But hey, a guy can dream.

[bettyellen]

59. Fixing the ACA would be job one-let Sanders and Biden work with him to restore cuts to research to

Also. He's threatening the ACA -that's not over yet.

[lillypaddle]

60. Fuck him

and the Nazis he rode in on. Let him sink!

[Kittycow]

61. Don't forget the nature of the scorpion !!!

[grantcart]

62. No and no on infrastructure too.

The reason? They will NEVER pay for it.

They will just want lots of contracts and bankrupt the government. Make them increase taxes first then we write the bill.

If it was at the beginning of the collapse then more debt would be OK but not now.

[mountain grammy]

63. Single Payer healthcare,

increase Social Security benefits, raise the minimum wage, tax the rich. I'll be on the trump train.

[ananda]

64. Also pity us, the people ..

Dems need to stand strong against 45.