Mensch unravels the electoral database hack thread ... LATEST

[PsychoBabble]

I know Louise Mensch is thought of in various ways. She is not always right. But she HAS been at times, and so her latest is worth reading, hot off her blog. (If you are an affirmed Mensch hater, please just skip - there are better places to spend your time. Seriously.) If you want to consider her research/ideas, here goes:

I believe, in summary:

A Russian spy stole the Facebook data of hundreds of millions of Americans

From that data, Russia crafted propaganda messages via SCL and targeted them by Cambridge Analytica

Both of these were owned by Alfa Bank and Firtash, Russian agent and boss of Manafort;

In order to perfect the social media targeting Russia hacked the electoral voter databases of various key American states:

This information was fed back to Manafort and Cambridge Analytica / SCL via the means of the bank server in Trump Tower;

Manafort and Trump used terrifyingly accurate micro-targeting obtained firstly by Facebook theft but secondly by Russia obtaining the exact demographic profiles of voters through hacks of US state databases and passing it back to Cambridge Analytica.

This theory, if true, would directly connect the Russian state with the Trump campaign and mean that Trump colluded with Russian spies who were hacking America. He will be impeached for it.

This is just the summary. She has full explanation plus sources if you want to understand the full linkage from her perspective. Some of the relationships seem too close and long-standing to be coincidental, as we've discovered with much in the Russian investigation so far.

There has been evidence in other sources today that this micro-targeting was used selectively in just a few key states to swing the vote to Trump, even though it was not obvious to the naked eye/traditional polls that this approach would work.

If what she says is basically true, this was a very sophisticated, direct attempt, not only to interfere in US Democracy, but to directly affect the Presidential race.

I've written about this before as PSYCHIC WARFARE by Putin on Americans.

And so it comes to a fundamental point ... either we believe in democracy, or we don't. Political nonsense aside, if her basic research/conjecture eventually proves true, then those who at that point still try to defend Trump and the Republican path ARE traitors.

You either choose to ASSIST, or RESIST, the Russian incursion into American Democracy ....

http://www.patribotics.blog

[pkdu]

1. Plus these two things,...

Cambridge Analytica is partially owned by Robert/Rebekkah Mercer , who installed Bannon on Team Trump ( and Conway) AND

Bannon was also a Board Member of C-A.

[PsychoBabble]

4. Interesting how the same actors always weave together, eh?

[Achilleaze]

8. !

[womanofthehills]

52. Jester recented posted link about Steve Bannon's financials & connections to Cambridge Analytical

JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL³³º¹ Retweeted
JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL³³º¹‏ @th3j35t3r Mar 31

#FLASH Steve Bannons financials he was required to disclose upon joining White House staff. Updated earlier today >> http://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/31234502/Bannon-Steve.pdf …


under - position held at Cambridge Analytical - it says vice president and secretary - received a monthly consulting free into Bannon Strategic Advisors until resignation August 2016 - income from Cambridge Analytical $125,333.

[MedusaX]

2. Jared played critical role

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Mercers had been using Cambridge Analytica when supporting Cruz....

Once the Mercers climbed aboard the trump train
Jared had his Digital Marketing buddy & long time family friend take over the digital campaign... and bring 10 Cambridge Analytica "scientists" into his staff of roughly 65-70 employees at the company headquarters in San Antonio.

This facilitated the final weaponizing of the data and its strategically targeted deployment.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/article/438739/trump-campaigns-data-firm-partner-cambridge-analytica-worked-cruz


Jared's little operation is still going on today...
In the United States, the company’s (SCL/Cambridge Analytica) efforts to win new government contracts are being led by Josh Weerasinghe, a former vice president of global market development at defense giant BAE Systems who previously worked with Flynn at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence as a senior advisor for the Committee on Homeland Security.

Flynn, in turn, served as an adviser to SCL/CA on its efforts to expand its contracting work, according to two people familiar with his role.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/after-working-for-trumps-campaign-british-data-firm-eyes-new-us-government-contracts/2017/02/17/a6dee3c6-f40c-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html

[PsychoBabble]

3. Thx for the details

[enid602]

26. aboard

Jared was 'aboard the Trump Train' when he married it.

[Ilsa]

63. I wonder if Cambridge Analytica sabotaged Cruz's campaign.

There was a conflict over billing when the CA info and recommendations were nothing short of a disaster for Cruz.

I don't know who devised the Cruz logo, but I remember harsh criticism of it, looking like an upside-down burning flag, etc.

[pbmus]

5. The Big Con

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[PsychoBabble]

6. V funny!

[HoneyBadger]

7. Zuckerberg would have to be involved also

He owns Facebook and has a history of hacking

[HoneyBadger]

18. Joseph Chancellor owned GSR, part of SCL, which owned Cambridge and now works at Facebook

https://research.fb.com/people/chancellor-joseph/

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09060785/filing-history

https://www.duedil.com/company/gb/09060785/global-science-research-ltd

http://www.psychol.cam.ac.uk/people/ak823%40cam.ac.uk

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win



Michal Kosinski was a student in Warsaw when his life took a new direction in 2008. He was accepted by Cambridge University to do his PhD at the Psychometrics Centre, one of the oldest institutions of this kind worldwide. Kosinski joined fellow student David Stillwell (now a lecturer at Judge Business School at the University of Cambridge) about a year after Stillwell had launched a little Facebook application in the days when the platform had not yet become the behemoth it is today. Their MyPersonality app enabled users to fill out different psychometric questionnaires, including a handful of psychological questions from the Big Five personality questionnaire ("I panic easily," "I contradict others&quot . Based on the evaluation, users received a "personality profile"—individual Big Five values—and could opt-in to share their Facebook profile data with the researchers?

Kosinski had expected a few dozen college friends to fill in the questionnaire, but before long, hundreds, thousands, then millions of people had revealed their innermost convictions. Suddenly, the two doctoral candidates owned the largest dataset combining psychometric scores with Facebook profiles ever to be collected.

The approach that Kosinski and his colleagues developed over the next few years was actually quite simple. First, they provided test subjects with a questionnaire in the form of an online quiz. From their responses, the psychologists calculated the personal Big Five values of respondents. Kosinski's team then compared the results with all sorts of other online data from the subjects: what they "liked," shared or posted on Facebook, or what gender, age, place of residence they specified, for example. This enabled the researchers to connect the dots and make correlations.

Remarkably reliable deductions could be drawn from simple online actions. For example, men who "liked" the cosmetics brand MAC were slightly more likely to be gay; one of the best indicators for heterosexuality was "liking" Wu-Tang Clan. Followers of Lady Gaga were most probably extroverts, while those who "liked" philosophy tended to be introverts. While each piece of such information is too weak to produce a reliable prediction, when tens, hundreds, or thousands of individual data points are combined, the resulting predictions become really accurate.

[FDRsGhost]

9. I take what she says with a grain of salt

She's a Tory after all.

Some of her statement on twitter have just been "out there".

[m-lekktor]

10. She claimed Andrew Breitbart was murdered by Russians. She is a RW conspiracy loon.

People here can't get enough of her fake news.

[FDRsGhost]

13. She's a nutter for sure.

[womanofthehills]

17. I disagree - she seems to have some great intelligence connections

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She has links to so much good info from other bloggers too. There is a wealth of information over at her Twitter site.

[FDRsGhost]

19. She's Alex Jones in duisguise

Louise Mensch insisted the attack on the Istanbul nightclub was a false flag operation by Russia.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/conspiracy-theories-distract-us-russias-real-crimes-1599752



She has insisted that Anthony Weiner was texting a Russian spy and NOT a 15 year old girl.

She claimed the .gif Eichenwald received on twitter was done by Russians when in fact the FBI arrested an American for doing it.

Link to tweet

On and on.

Do NOT think for one second she's your friend, she's not. She is a tea bagger Tory who is spreading rumors, conspiracy theories and lies. This is #alternativefacts defined.

[PsychoBabble]

28. Important history, for sure - however

... it still does mean we should not hold her current theory of linkages up to the light of day and see if it adds to our understanding of the patterns swirling around us.

Grain of salt? Sure. You do the same in Science, null hypothesis, etc. Some sources I DO discount. You are further down this spectrum on Louse than I am. Still willing to consider the utility of her info, if true.

Pretty sure we should take EVERYONE's conjectures right now with a grain of salt ....

Good pastry has multiple layers ....

[FDRsGhost]

32. Broken clock scenario IMHO

[womanofthehills]

53. Disagree - she is very bright and she seems to have great intelligence connections

We need everyone we can get to dig up information and she seems to be doing an excellent job.

[womanofthehills]

66. Louise Mensch is so anti Russian and anti Trump

makes me wonder why you are so against her. You might enjoy moving on to that other site.

[alarimer]

34. Yes, but she's telling us what we want to hear, so it's all good.

To be fair, she might be right in this instance, but an untrustworthy reporter is always untrustworthy.

Liberals and progressives are not immune to information blindspots. If it appears to support their contention, then nothing else matters. If it doesn't then under the bus they go.

[womanofthehills]

55. Who cares if she is a Tory - she is working to get Trump out of the White House

[SecularMotion]

11. We need facts, not conjecture

The Louise Mensch story

The story starts with this Louise Mensch story. For those who don’t know, Mensch is a former Tory Member of Parliament turned American rock promoter wife. Since quitting Parliament to spend more time with her family, she has become a pundit known for taking reasonable observations, injecting just a bit of whack, and turning them into fairly unhinged theories. Perhaps her best known foray into investigative work is when she unknowingly used her own racist search history to impugn a Jeremy Corbyn supporter. In spite of her still apparent tolerance for racism, she offered up her support to Hillary on Valentines Day in 2016. Of late, she has been writing unified theories of Russian spying that start from real nuggets and important observations, then spin loose from the actual supporting evidence.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/03/04/the-conspiratorial-game-of-telephone-in-bannons-rag-that-made-left-right-and-potus-go-crazy/

[sarah FAILIN]

14. say what you will, she is often right. nt

[SecularMotion]

15. Her facts are not the issue

she has been writing unified theories of Russian spying that start from real nuggets and important observations, then spin loose from the actual supporting evidence.

[Hortensis]

35. No, she is not. That's the point. Many books

in various disciplines have been written about people prone to twisting reality into elaborate, unreal conspiracies, about those prone to believing them, and about those who use this weakness to manipulate people politically.

Certainly this era in which mass communications are being used to destabilize society is generating a whole lot of material for everyone so inclined.

Here's a quick article on the market side of this phenomenon: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/conspiracy_theory_psychology_people_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.html

[FreepFryer]

12. "Psychic warfare"? No. "Psychological Warfare". "Psychic" makes this post sound kooky. (nt)

[PsychoBabble]

21. Dictionary.com

psychic
[sahy-kik]

Examples Word Origin
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
adjective, Also, psychical
1. of or relating to the human soul or mind; mental (opposed to physical ).

[FreepFryer]

23. "Psychic warfare" has a specific meaning in a Russian context. (nt)

[FreepFryer]

25. CIA.gov

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/search/site/%22Psychic%20warfare%22

[gibraltar72]

16. She uses some pretty big

hitters in her lists of sources. Not saying she's 100% but some of her screen grabs and timelines are pretty convincing.

[PsychoBabble]

20. The BIG point is THIS:

- Louise has a "history." Fine.
- She has theorized some interesting connections.
- The pieces seem to clearly exist.
- Take these back out to the real world as a possible pattern to compare new data/theories/findings against.
- See if her theorizing helps you put some additional pieces together in a big ugly complicated web that NOBODY, has, as of yet, connected all the dots on.

The eventual answer could be YES, NO, MAYBE ...

Have a nice day, all.

[Foamfollower]

22. I have zero confidence in ANYTHING Mensch has to say. She's a far rightwing loon.

She's spreading misinformation to redirect.

[OnDoutside]

36. Evidence of misinformation please ?

[Foamfollower]

37. Everything she has said since Trump won the nomination.

She's a rightwing loon ex-MP. She's always been a rightwing loon.
ayn Rand loving
Liberals accpting her bullshit as gospel is as IGNORANT as liberals accepting White Supremacist Ayn Rand loving Glenn Greenwald's bullshit as gospel.

[OnDoutside]

39. I completely agree that she is a rightwing loon ex-MP, and has always been a rightwing loon, however

it is simply not true to say everything. That is not evidence of disinformation. A lot of what she has said over the last 6-10 months, has hung together. I remain deeply suspicious of her motives due to her previous career and current connection to Murdoch, however I am willing to read her stuff, and I have to say her latest hypothesis makes a lot of sense.

[Foamfollower]

41. It's all been half truths or outright liues!

Nothing she has ever said about Trump has been completely true.

[OnDoutside]

42. So what's wrong with these statements ?

"Theory: FISA was not just about money laundering - it was also about "data laundering". Trump knew."

"Maybe the Federal Penitentiary will have a good library, and all that can change.

#TrumpRussia
#AlfaBank"

"You know Mr. Traitor, if you read Paul Wood's article you'd know you've been under investigation since last April. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427 …


Louise Mensch added,

Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump
..not associated with Russia. Trump team spied on before he was nominated." If this is true, does not get much bigger. Would be sad for U.S.


25 replies . 288 retweets 596 likes "

[Foamfollower]

43. All half truth bullshit.

She's prmoting her extremist agenda and trying to get liberals on her side.

Not any of it is truthful.

[OnDoutside]

44. Where is she "promoting her extremist agenda", so I can keep an eye out for it ?

Oh and do you have any examples ?

[Foamfollower]

45. Whenever she types or speaks.

[OnDoutside]

46. That isn't a good enough answer. "Just cos".

[Foamfollower]

47. When it comes to rightwing extremists like Mensch, yes, it is.

Ignore everything she has to say because she has never spoken a word of truth in her life.

You might as well listen to what Sarah Palin has to say.

[OnDoutside]

48. Again, I don't accept your sweeping statement. Her work over

The last year has predominantly been on the US election, whatever else we all might disagree with her rw views, her work on the Trump/Republican election fraud has without doubt helped rather than hindered public perception that the US election was fraudulently won by Trump with Russian help. She has done the US some service.

[Foamfollower]

49. Then I dismiss anything you ever have to say about anything.

Good day.

[Leghorn21]

58. Speaking of Louise: "Fuck off, Vlad!"

[Lucinda]

24. I am finding both her blog, and her twitter feed, to be interesting reading.

We'll know soon enough how accurate she is/was...

[womanofthehills]

57. me too - I just started following her a few weeks ago

and I'm hooked - lots of great links too. She puts ideas out there - some are right on, some are not - but she definitely gets people to think outside of the box about all this shit going on.

[yallerdawg]

27. You know...

newbies with low post counts coming on telling us "adamantly" Louise Mensch is this-and-that is kind of unnerving.

Considering.

[FDRsGhost]

31. Sorry I burst your bubble :)

[yallerdawg]

33. Hey...

"Just because you're paranoid does not mean you aren't being followed."

[enid602]

29. stolen information?

Was the Favebook acct data actually stolen, or was Zucketberg complicit?

[HoneyBadger]

38. Obviously Zuckerberg is complicit

He has been in trouble for hacking before

[OnDoutside]

40. Peter Thiel is your Facebook link

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38315682

How did he hook up with Donald Trump?

That's even more complicated. There are some clues in the speech Mr Thiel gave to the Republican Convention earlier this year. In that, he said neither he nor Donald Trump were politicians but they were both "builders" and wanted to use those skills to rebuild a "broken" America.

That speech pointed out that a lot of the money made in America over the past few decades had gone to relatively few people. The majority had seen no benefits from that wealth.

Few people were being honest about America's problems, said Mr Thiel.

But, as others have pointed out, while Mr Thiel may have put his finger on some of the issues facing America, it is not clear why he thought Donald Trump would be able to solve them.

Does his involvement with the Trump presidency end with this meeting?

No. Mr Thiel is believed to have become a key member of the Trump transition team. In addition, employees from Mr Thiel's venture capital fund and staff at some of the firms he founded have also been seconded to work with Mr Trump.

It is not clear what policy areas Mr Thiel and others will be advising on though it is likely to concern regulatory matters and industrial policy. As a man who has a "talent for making big, contrarian bets" it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

[jmg257]

51. Anyone else finding that her blog server is down?

[PsychoBabble]

54. Seems to be the case

[jmg257]

56. A couple things...1) was facebook "illegally hacked".

By a Russian spy? Or anyone else?

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/30/facebook-failed-to-protect-30-million-users-from-having-their-data-harvested-by-trump-campaign-affiliate/

2) why would a legal anaylatical company, in San Antonio, that does data collection/analysis need a server in Trump Tower for sending info to and from anyone? Gotta figure they would have at least a few of their own.

Hmmm. Did CA have a 'base of operations' in Trump Tower?

3) why would Manafort be getting such information? What the heck would he do with it, especially since they are paying CA millions already?

CA says they already have info on 220 million Americans, and its no secret ( its on their "about" page).

4) the russia hacking voter databases is interesting, but it is no secret THEY were doing physcological cyber-stuff. Figuring such data would make it more effective makes sense, but why does that implicate trump and Manafort?

stone was already a proponent of such activities (at least when legal), but Manafort didn't put much stock in it ( he resisted Kushner's advancment of the cyber stuff).

"Roger Stone, a longtime Trump adviser, has written in his own campaign memoir about “geo-targeting” cities to deliver a debunked claim that Bill Clinton had fathered a child out of wedlock, and narrowing down the audience “based on preferences in music, age range, black culture, and other urban interests.”"

Manafort and Kushner butting heads...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438739/trump-campaigns-data-firm-partner-cambridge-analytica-worked-cruz

"Inside Trump Tower, the decision to work with the data-targeting firm was fraught with controversy, according to a Trump aide familiar with the campaign’s internal conversations. After the Trump team, under pressure from the Republican National Committee and others to ramp up its ground game and voter-targeting operation, met with Cambridge Analytica officials in late June, campaign chairman Paul Manafort and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner were at loggerheads: While Kushner wanted to bring the company aboard, Manafort opposed the move."

[HoneyBadger]

60. I fill out these surveys fairly often to get access to paywalls

Do you know which survey answer I always pick?

The one at the top of the page.

To me, you are learning less about answers related to the content of the survey and more about how people interact with online surveys generically.

[alwaysinflux]

59. I have 2 specific complaints

1. The link she provided as the "source" that the facebook data was "stolen by a Russian hacker" was to a guardian article that said NO SUCH THING!

2. In the "Carolina conspiracy" she states that the 15 yr old girl that weiner texted with doesn't exist and that it was actually an older hacker. Multiple journalists have verified the 15 yr old girl and spoken with her and friends and neighbors (the two journalists I know of were with Politico and buzz feed).

[HoneyBadger]

62. Politico and Buzzfeed are possibly co conspirators

[alwaysinflux]

64. Are you kidding me???

Ok this is where people need to take a deep breath and realize they're falling prey to the same type of fake news/alarmist conspiracies that right-wingers do.

[HoneyBadger]

65. Buzzfeed has said that Cambridge Analytica story is a conspiracy theory

https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/trump-conspiracy-theory-debunks?utm_term=.pdOJOXrnw#.rvlPjmYqo

https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/the-truth-about-the-trump-data-team-that-people-are-freaking?utm_term=.rvlPjmYqo#.ktnrEavZb

[caroldansen]

61. Russia has always hated America. Why would he change now. It all makes sense. And that's why

Alfa bank was in computer communication with trump tower all those times then. Makes sense.