My Trump voting sister went to an Indivisible event today

[redstateblues]

After a few months of Trump she has seen the error of her ways. The rest of the family didn't beat her up too much after the election and we all left the door open for her to regain her sanity. My daughter invited her to come today. It was a good day.

[sarah FAILIN]

1. baby steps

[virtualobserver]

2. you took a racist deplorable to an Indivisible event?......

I guess that's not as bad as a Bernie supporter.

[redstateblues]

5. Actually when I talked to her about why she voted for him

The "deplorable" comment pushed her over the edge. She is not a college grad and struggles to stay at lower middle class. She felt like that tag was meant for her. I tried to explain that it wasn't directed at her but the damage was done.

[virtualobserver]

8. that matches some anecdotal experience that I've had

the magic of the "deplorable" tag is that it made Hillary sound elitist while she harshly alienated some voters.

Fortunately, many Trump voters can now clearly see the difference between Trump's rhetoric and his actual performance.

Many on this site object to Bernie Sanders speaking of Trump voters as if they are human beings, but I think he is showing the way.

[seaglass]

14. Many object to Sanders denying that any number of Trump supporters were motivated by racism,

sexism and/or homophobia. He either doesn't see it or he's pandering. Neither speaks well of him.

[virtualobserver]

20. Bernie is trying to speak to the decent people who were fooled by Trump

He is speaking to a subset of Trump voters. You don't persuade voters by calling them "deplorables".

As Lincoln said

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Bernie is trying to reconnect with some Trump voters and their "better angels"

[seaglass]

21. Bernie was speaking to his supporters at an OR rally. He did not qualify his statement.

"Some people think the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don’t agree, because I’ve been there.”

Again, if he didn't see the racism, sexism and homophobia among other deplorable characteristics of Trump voters then that is on him. If he did see it but would prefer to deny it to engage wwc voters then he is pandering.

POC, immigrants, women, LGBT, minorities are all part of the Democratic coalition that is required to win. If Bernie is under the impression that marginalizing this coalition while centering wwc is a winning strategy he didn't learn a damn thing from the primary.

[virtualobserver]

22. he is only marginalizing the Democratic coalition in your head

He is trying to welcome the sane Trump voters back into the fold.

Continuing to alienate Trump voters is NOT a winning strategy in 2018.

[seaglass]

24. I guess you're not absorbing the responses to Bernie's comments if that is your

belief.

[virtualobserver]

31. Bernie isn't trying to soothe the faithful. He is trying to turn Trump voters away from....

...the Republican Party. Preaching to the choir does not win hearts and minds in the general population.

Bernie is attacking Trump as a racist and a liar. He is saying to people who voted for Trump that they are not racist.

It would make no sense for Bernie to say that some are racist and some are not. He is giving them the benefit of the doubt.

That gives them the psychological freedom to separate themselves from Trump and rethink their voting (and thinking) patterns.

[seaglass]

32. It has nothing to do with "soothing", it has to do with truth-telling. Either he doesn't believe

Trump voters are racist/sexist/homophobic or he is pandering. He was speaking to OR - they are his choir.

[virtualobserver]

33. no. he was speaking to the nation....

or you wouldn't have heard about it.

He is speaking to Trump voters who are not racist/sexist/homophobic and who realize that he is not what they had hoped he would be.

Ignorance can be cured.

[seaglass]

34. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not attempting to get around rules and calling

me ignorant.

Racism/Sexism/Homophobia cannot be cured by pretending it doesn't exist.

[virtualobserver]

35. I'm calling the Trump voters ignorant

Bernie is trying to draw them in so that he can frame issues in a way that will get them to vote rationally.

your all or nothing viewpoint on Trump voters doesn't seem to allow for the fact that a significant number are not Racist/Sexist/Homophobic.

[LanternWaste]

36. is quite a difference from:

" I'm calling the Trump voters ignorant..."

is quite a difference from:

"for those who need to put others down in order to make themselves feel superior, a dictionary won't help..."

(That little dictionary thingy of yours may help though in realizing usage difference between 'your' and 'you're'...)

[virtualobserver]

37. Are you unfamiliar with the meaning of 'your'?

[delisen]

27. He knows what Clinton actually said but uses Republican talking point to mislead

to mislead.

His method is similar to Trump's who has used "Some people say....but....)

Propaganda technique.Some people say my opponent is a liar. I am not saying it but some people do......

I had some respect for Sanders, but it has been evaporating.

[Cosmocat]

15. I've heard that, too, but I have little time for it

There people call us far worse, far more often, and it is just part of the never ending victim complex that the Rs use to cull people into their cult.

When people tell me thus, I say, us liberals were called America and god hating scumbags for half a decade for opposing Iraq, we didn't elect Pauly Shore POTUS.

[virtualobserver]

19. this isn't a contest to alienate voters....

if it is, we lose.

[Cosmocat]

23. Please

Anyone who bends so easily to their bullshut us inclined to it in the first place.

Our biggest problem is backing down too much.

[lunasun]

26. Has been for quite a while imo

[milestogo]

28. Yeah, that remark was a major mistake.

And once it was out there, the apology didn't matter.

[Warpy]

3. Smart way to cope

along with just "aw, I don't want to talk about that stuff." Go back to making sex, politics, and religion taboo subjects.

It makes people a lot easier to get along with and takes the pressure off them to eat crow if they were wrong about something, like voting for an orange boor who didn't know his thumb from his bum when it came to government.

[MarvinGardens]

4. Great news! (nt)

[TexasProgresive]

6. The non-judgemental open door is the best policy.

It gives the other a chance to take a real honest look at the results of their actions. When we beat them up it puts them on the defensive and emotional at that.

[GallopingGhost]

7. I'm happy for you.

It's terrible that families are part of the damage he's doing.

I lost a lifetime friendship over this unstable circus peanut.

[Hulk]

11. Many of us have.

My six sisters and two brothers....a civil war has ignited with this election. My younger sister no longer wants ANYTHING to do with my older sisters. I have had hostile emails bounced between myself and two older sisters. Another older sister is manic depressive, and nobody wants anything to do with her, as she's irrational and an ugly attitude to deal with on many subjects. My older brother is worthless, and no longer speaks to any of the younger siblings....5 of us.

dRumpf has broken the fragile link between myself and many in my family. I honestly don't care if I ever speak to my oldest four siblings. One is mentally unstable, one has alienated himself from us, and two are staunch dRumpf supporters and think it's all about "Hillary lost...get over it."

It's not a pretty family any longer. Such a shame, as we were one big happy family for so many years when we were all raising our families...when Nixon, Carter and Reagan were presidents. Then it went south...after Bill got his blow job, which shouldn't be news, it seems to have opened a crevice that has split the family apart ever since. dRfumf was the last straw.

Sad ending to a good family.

[sharedvalues]

12. Coincidence that Fox News started in 1996?

Was it Fox news or was it Bill Clinton?
Conservative hate radio was full throated by then too.

[Hulk]

13. Good point.

They are AVID fox-nonsense viewers. HUGE screens in their TV room, where they sit nearly all day long, with it tuned in to fox BS...and they don't bother to turn it off, even when guests drop by. They are "hooked on the stupid drug". I'm sure fox has a lot to do with it.

[sharedvalues]

16. Get them to stop Fox or they'll turn away from Indivisible again

Fox brainwashes people with lies.

Maybe you can print out some stuff from media matters showing them how Fox lies to them - I have seen it be semi effective.

[dae]

9. Happy for you. I have some family members showing signs

of buyers remorse but no conversions as of yet.

[iluvtennis]

10. Same here with one of my brothers who voted for the Orange asswipe.

[Demsrule86]

17. People make mistakes. I do not allow politics to ruin family relationships.

Good for her in allowing facts to change her mind...many of his voters are basically covering their ears and screaming Lalalalalal

[anglesphere]

18. You do what you want

But as far as my elderly mother goes, I'll accept nothing less than seeing her come crawling back to me on her hands and knees.

[ck4829]

25. Kick

[TeamPooka]

29. too little too late. Sorry I burned down the house can I come to the picnic?

[Lanius]

30. Can a person vote for a racist, sexist, xenophobic, hateful, nationalistic

fear-monger and still call themselves a "good person?"

Maybe it's because I'm part of a racial minority, but I wouldn't vote for anyone who was racist, anti-immigrant or homophobic, even if they promised to save the economy or appoint SC justices I agreed with.