Tulsi Gabbard carried a message to Assad from Trump!!!

[fun n serious]

I'm not surprised! On hardball right now!

[boston bean]

1. Omfg.

[fun n serious]

12. Oh, I didn't know, TY nt

[tammywammy]

16. I figured you didn't.

[skylucy]

3. I just heard that on Chris Matthews hardball and it jumped out at me!!!

I have never liked or trusted Gabbard, so at least now it looks like she will be outed for the selfish, disloyal person that she is.

[LisaM]

4. She bugged me right from the start.

I had never heard of her until she suddenly left the DNC (as a so-called "rising star&quot right about the same time as the first data breach, and started saying bad things about the DNC and, in my opinion, pushed a very very false narrative that she was shoved out because she didn't endorse Hillary. That sounded like nonsense to me.

[LeftInTX]

5. Gross!!!

[SaschaHM]

6. But remember guys, we all dislike her because of who she endorsed.

[Cha]

46. Right... Only I disliked her when

she was always on fake faux whining about President Obama and I blocked her emails in 2015.

[Tarheel_Dem]

8. I fully expect Gabbard might be a defection to the Repuke ranks, and I hope she is defeated in her..

next election.

[miyazaki]

24. Interesting because news from another political player from Hawaii

Beth Fukumoto will switch parties from puke to Dem.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Then they'll cancel each other out. I can't stand Tulsi Gabbard.

[Dawson Leery]

9. Tulsi is worse than Manchin.

Tulsi is actively bashing our party.

Was she recruited by Putin?

[synergie]

13. Apparently sputnik news, a Russian propaganda site, heartily approves of her

and her visit. I won't link here but they posted a glowing article on 1/29/2017.

[Cha]

47. I've read bannon likes her

[fun n serious]

14. In my opinion..YES

As were others.

[obamanut2012]

35. Yes, just like Jill Stein was

[nikibatts]

38. She actively trashed HRC for sure.

[Dawson Leery]

59. Manchin endorsed and campaigned for Hillary.

[FDRsGhost]

10. Meanwhile

Link to tweet

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. What's your point? There are Libertarian Republicans who want to decriminalize MJ as well.

They're still Republicans, and so is Tulsi Gabbard, and she might just be a lot worse.

[Jamaal510]

30. +1

[FDRsGhost]

31. Tusli isn't a Republican lol

But since you all want to throw her under the bus ....
I stand by her.

Link to tweet

[obamanut2012]

36. Yeah, she is -- she is really bad

Welcome to DU.

[Tarheel_Dem]

42. To each his own. I have absolutely no use for her, and could care less that she "co-sponsored"....

a bill. The sooner she switches parties, the better.

[snooper2]

74. Putin is a piece of shit

[lapucelle]

86. Well, it's about time.

This is the third time that this bill has been introduced since Gabbard's been in Congress. Nice to see that she finally joined the dozens of co-sponsors who have been trying to get this bill going for years.

[LanternWaste]

87. I pretend criticism is throwing someone under the bus too...

I pretend criticism is throwing someone under the bus too... it's a great placeholder until we think of something rational and less emotional to say.

Two entire policies you illustrate. Out of a grand total of how many...?

[dogman]

11. Sourced from Lebanese news.

And people wonder how the Russians and others troll us.

[fun n serious]

15. It was talked about on Hardball nt

[dogman]

18. Exactly how fake news gets mainstreamed.

It is very well plausible but she denies it and there is no proof of it. The smoking gun is a report in Lebanese news, I would have to see better sourcing or an admission from Rep. Gabbard.

[fun n serious]

20. Be honest..

Even if she admitted it, you would be OK with it.

[Arazi]

49. It's fake news. Admit you fell for it and self delete

[BainsBane]

50. Fake because you find it inconvenient?

Trump style? Or do you have some actual evidence?

You must know she visited Trump during the transition, on Steve Bannon's recommendation. That was televised on TV. She's been pro-Assad for ages. So why exactly do you find so unbelievable about the story?

[fun n serious]

21. Her voting record suggest she is not progressive so why would you support her? nt

[dogman]

22. I suppoort her as a Veteran.

She is also a Democrat. My previous comments are not meant as support however, they are an attempt to stop the fake news cycle and this leads me to ask you why you are so willing to believe anything you hear. She has supported the more progressive candidate in the Primary. So overall I'm more satisfied with her than many who wear the Democrat label.

[cwydro]

23. We're seeing more and more of this obvious fake news here on DU.

It's irresponsible.

[BainsBane]

57. Boy, I should have supported Bernie

Then I could get away with absolutely anything the rest of my life.

[brush]

29. She's been on FOX several times bashing Obama. This news is not surprising.

[BainsBane]

51. So because she endorsed Bernie

She gets a pass for life, and you will excuse everything she does? So much for principle.

[dogman]

76. No.

She does not deserve a "fake news" smear either. This story needs evidence or it is designed to spread discord. Most likely it is a message from Assad to Trump about his wishes.

[BainsBane]

77. This Lebanese piece is VERY favorable toward Gabbard

It speaks very highly of her. Read it: http://english.almanar.com.lb/230217

[dogman]

79. And I'm sure that is what propaganda would do.

They also don't want a vacuum of leadership as was witnessed in Iraq. Since the majority of this country's leadership bought into Bush-Cheney, we unleashed the Gordian Knot, only we are being flailed by the loose strands unwinding. I haven't seen any good solution yet.

[BainsBane]

80. It is possible it's propaganda

though I don't see why the Syrian's claiming they had been given a letter via Gabbard would help with overtures toward Bush, particularly since the Trump administration had already announced that they were not seeking Assad's removal.

The only disputed part of the story is the letter. We know Gabbard met twice with Assad during a secret trip she did not disclose to the House Democratic leadership. We know she met with Trump during the transition to talk about Syria, upon the recommendation of Steve Bannon. WE know she has consistently defended Assad and proclaimed all of the rebels terrorists. The only piece in dispute is the letter. I don't find it so unbelievable. Nor do I find it worse than what we already know she has done.

I agree there is no good solution.

[BainsBane]

52. She has a 40% lifetime rating from the John Birch Society

The highest among Democrats, grouped with some others. Liz Warren's score is 0%, as a point of comparison. She has a 38% Liberal Action Score, 69% liberal on economic policy, a 70% score from the Republican liberty caucus, 25% from Freedom Works (the Tea Party). http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/129306/tulsi-gabbard#.WOQrCGnyu00

Sure, she's a Democrat, but she's far from being on the left side of the party.

She has already voted with the GOP at least twice this year, including to allow mentally ill veterans to have access to guns, because apparently the suicide rate isn't high enough as it is.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/129306/tulsi-gabbard#.WOQrCGnyu00

Endorsing Bernie doesn't make her the same as him ideologically, not by a long shot.

[dogman]

75. I am not endorsing her.

The question I was answering was whether or not she was Progressive. She is not as Progressive as I would like but there are a number of factors that come in to play. First, I am not a voter in Hawaii. Second, her plus side is higher than her downside overall. I am not a purist, I voted for Hillary. I agree the vote on guns is troubling, but I also understand the complexity of that subject. Would every Veteran who had experienced any PTSD be barred from gun ownership? How many would then avoid treatment to avoid scrutiny? Of course that is a whole other Post in the making, but not by me. She does not have to be the same as Bernie ideologically, but she sees his cause as just, apparently.

[BainsBane]

78. I say yes to the question about PTSD

depening on the severity, because it puts them at a much higher likelihood of using that gun against themselves or others, just as legally adjudicated mental incapacity does for non-Veterans.

I don't know what qualifies her as a progressive unless you're defining that exclusively in terms of support for Sanders.

[dogman]

81. The devil is always in the details.

Your answer brings more questions, Who makes that determination of severity? I know anecdotally, stories of men who wont take scrips for meds that might counter their firearms card. Until better Mental Healthcare is established, there will be a lot of confusion on this issue. These things are not going to happen under this Administration however. I would welcome a better person in every capacity, but as I wrote, I am not a voter in Hawaii. Still, her Progressive standing has nothing to do with smearing her, unless there is another motive.

[BainsBane]

83. That assumes she is being smeared

when what is at issue is a dispute about delivering a letter. Neither of us know the answer to that.

[dogman]

89. That is the problem with "fake news".

People have predispositions. The whole concept behind the Russian anti-HRC is they targeted their message to people the algorithms determined had already bought in to "fake news". This was also done by strategists determined to destroy their opponent. The whole "Bernie-bros" is a perfect example of divide and conquer. Where could there have been any positive outcome for that meme? People, myself included need to look at these reports with a lot more skepticism. The idea that she has to prove her story is very similar to the current attack on Susan Rice, she is presumed guilty int the RW media until she proves her innocence. That is a really poor standard.

[JCanete]

91. this is the first I've heard of it, but this just provokes a question to me...so military personnel,

at least many I know or have known, are kind of into their guns. That's way too blanket and I'm sure there are exceptions or it may not even be the rule, but what happens when somebody experiencing ptsd knows that coming forward and seeking a diagnosis, and help, is going to be bar this person from owning a gun? Will that affect the willingness to come forward for people, or to be tested, or to talk about their trauma?

That said, I don't feel personally defined on this subject. I understand the concern about giving people with diagnosable mental illnesses a weapon. I personally hate guns altogether. But I would hate for us to institute something that might discourage people to get treatment for such a debilitating disorder.

I barely know Gabbard at all and will have to do some research. A Sanders endorsement is not enough for me, especially if it turns out she performs at odds with those same principles.

[WinkyDink]

17. WTBloodyH?

[HoneyBadger]

19. She has been Trump's mole

In the upper echelons of the DNC

[flamingdem]

25. Wow, any documentation of that?

Now I can believe anything, why the hell did she do that in this atmosphere - has to be something going on.

[uponit7771]

28. +1

[Demsrule86]

41. Yeah, she pretended to be one of us.

I never liked her.

[HoneyBadger]

55. It has been mentioned on Twitter

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8886651

[melman]

58. So that's a 'no'

[BainsBane]

66. This is what I found

The links to the story, which she denies, about delivering a message to Trump are the last two.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8893542

The OP references Hardball on MSNBC. You can catch the rerun yourself if you're really interested.

[FDRsGhost]

32. More fake news

[obamanut2012]

40. lolz

[FDRsGhost]

44. It would seem it is

No link anywhere and there are no Google results. hmmmm

[HoneyBadger]

56. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8886651

[FDRsGhost]

60. That's simply Louise Mensch saying something

Don't you think it's a tad off how there's no Google results? I'm calling 100% fake news on this.

[BainsBane]

54. Y'all are taking lessons

from Twitler. Call anything you don't like fake news.

Why do you supposed she didn't tell the House Democratic leadership that she was going to Syria? Why make the trip is secret? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

[FDRsGhost]

61. No I'm speaking facts here, show us proof please

where it's being reported on what the OP stated. There are ZERO Google results. This is fake news.

[BainsBane]

63. Then you ask the OP for information

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rather than declaring it "fake news" because you're upset someone said something to indicate Gabbard might not be an angel descended from heaven.

You know she took a secret trip to Syria and met with Assad twice. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/26/tulsi-gabbard-bashar-al-assad-syria-democrats

You know she is a defender of Assad, the guy who just dropped chemical weapons on his citizens.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-congresswoman-calls-iraqi-syrian-leaders-sincere-fighting-terrorism/

You know she met with Trump during the transition, having being invited by Bannon who reportedly likes her. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/tulsi-gabbard-syria/508367/
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting

A Lebanese paper has reported, based on sources close to Assad, that she carried a message from Trump. http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/275193
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-denies-trump-syria_us_58e28430e4b0f4a923b0beab

Despite keeping her trip secret, it has been reported that she met twice with him. The only dispute is whether she delivered a message from Trump.

Here you have her word vs. sources inside the Assad govt. That's a dispute, not fake news.
You can try to catch the repeat of Hardball to see the colorverage the OP referenced.

So my question is what do you find so unacceptable that you declare the story fake? It can't be her support of a murderous dictator or her meeting with Trump, which you must know about unless you've made a point of avoiding news coverage of her. Is it the idea of a message from Trump that is so painful to you? Is that really worse than Justifying mass murder?

[FDRsGhost]

64. I'm not upset lol

I am staying on topic here. You';re straying into issues about Tulsi whereas I'm talking about specifically about the accusation that she passed a letter to Trump from Assad.

A Lebanese paper is all you have? I'm sure World Nut Daily probably reported that Obama is vacationing on Mars today too. As I said, until I see more, it's fake news.

[BainsBane]

65. All "I have"

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I'm not making the charge. It's not my OP. I simply googled and provided you the Huffingtonpost article and suggested you watch the Hardball coverage, since you are so keen on knowing the facts. The other articles I posted were all about her trip to Syria and two meetings with Assad that she kept secret, as well as her meeting with Trump and relationship with Steve Bannon.

The contempt for the Arab press is, to put it kindly, provincial. You evidently don't know much about the relationship between Syria and Lebanon, or you wouldn't immediately dismiss their news coverage simply because they are Arabs.

You can legitimately claim that you haven't seen enough evidence to convince you. But you have been provided links to two articles on the recent allegation, one of which gives Gabbard's denial. The news isn't "fake." The incident is disputed. That doesn't mean it is fake. Just because the moron in the White House barks fake news whenever he sees something he doesn't like doesn't mean you should, unless you want people to believe you share his type of intellect.

Here's my question. Why do you care so much? It wouldn't occur to me that I needed to defend every person who endorsed Clinton. I don't expect them to be better than the rest of the human race. Millions of people voted for both candidates. Some of them are great people and some are assholes, like in any group of people. I find this idea that all Bernie supporters are forever connected in some Cylon hive for time immemorial to be bizarre. It doesn't resemble any approach to politics I have ever seen in my life.

[FDRsGhost]

67. The news the OP posted about is fake. Period.

Here's my question. Why do you care so much? It wouldn't occur to me that I needed to defend every person who endorsed Clinton. I don't expect them to be better than the rest of the human race. Millions of people voted for both candidates. Some of them are great people and some are assholes, like in any group of people. I find this idea that all Bernie supporters are forever connected in some Cylon hive for time immemorial to be bizarre. It doesn't resemble any approach to politics I have ever seen in my life.

Why do I care so much? Why are you trying to link this to the primaries is my question when it has nothing to do with it? I care because fake news has infiltrated a lot these days and it's a current hot topic is why. In fact, fake news has taken over the brains of many people (we only need to start looking at the crazy right to see its influence) and now it's starting to creep in to our side. It's a slippery slope which nothing good comes of and I'm a very strong defender of truth and ethics in journalism, an issue I care deeply about.

It has nothing to do with Bernie, Hillary or Tulsi, the primaries, 2016, or Elvis. I'm unsure why you are trying to link that but okay? Had someone posted something about, I don't know, pick someone, John McCain or Nancy Pelosi which of the same conjecture, I'd be saying the same thing.

[BainsBane]

68. I don't believe you

If I see you denounce anything supportive of Bernie, then I'll reconsider.

[FDRsGhost]

69. I'm not here to make you believe anything.

[BainsBane]

70. No, but you should be honest with yourself

If no one else. If you take that position with news that affirms what you want to believe, then your point has merits. If it's just with stories you don't like, then you aren't being straight with yourself.

[George II]

73. She was on the short list for trump's cabinet - Secretary of Defense or State.

[obamanut2012]

33. I said over a year ago she was trouble

I said it after her sudden "conversion" from extreme wingnutism to being a Dem.

I was attacked very badly on DU for saying she was a Trojan Horse, and she was. God knows what she goaded Bernie into saying.

[Vinca]

34. Disappointing. A traitor in our midst.

[Demsrule86]

39. Now she needs to be primaried...where are all the people who cried about

Manchin and other Dems who will vote for cloture for Garland? Why is this person given a pass...what she did matters and is worse. No matter what Gorsuch will get on the court. We can agree or disagree if it helps the campaigns...but we can't stop Gorsuch. It shows the true purpose of those who post about every negative thing they can find about Democrats and the Democratic Party.

[Demsrule86]

37. Assad just gassed 100's of people this morning...but of course Trump

never met a murdering dictator he didn't love...oh the joy of executing reporters at the New York Times and the Washington post among others...Lock up you opponents or kill them...anyone who disagrees with out the window or poisoned...pesky demonstrations why a never gas works wonders. If the GOP had a patriotic bone in their white glowing old bodies ...they would impeach this guy.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

45. "Tulsi Gabbard Denies New Report Of Trumps Role In Her Syria Trip"

“The exchange described in this story never happened,” Latimer wrote. “There was no message or question from Trump because as the congresswoman has previously stated, the Trump Administration was not aware or involved in her trip in any way, and she did not relay any communications from the Trump administration. The claims in this article suggesting otherwise are false.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tulsi-gabbard-denies-trump-syria_us_58e28430e4b0f4a923b0beab

[Arazi]

48. Now watch this thread sink rapidly as Gabbard bashers ignore it

The now debunked meme about Tulsi Gabbard being Trump's surrogate on the Syria trip will never die on DU...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

62. The Bus is hopelessly mired --

by the likes of Gabbard, Bernie, Taibbi, Snowden...going all the way back to Cynthia McKinley, Medea Benjamin, and Cindy Sheehan.

[LanternWaste]

88. I'd allege the same too if confirmed my biases as it does yours.

"will never die on DU..."

I'd allege the same too if confirmed my biases as it does yours.

[Tatiana]

53. She crosses the line too many times.

She was so promising, but she has turned out to be a really unhelpful Democrat. It's Hawaii, not West Virginia. I'd support a credible, leftist primary challenge.

[Cha]

72. Democrat Rep. Tulsi Gabbard defends her visit with Trump

snip//

Asked why the President-elect would meet with a minority member of Congress to talk about foreign policy when he's putting a cabinet together, Gabbard spokeswoman Emily Latimer reiterated that the meeting was about foreign policy and Syria.

"President-elect Trump asked me to meet with him about our current policies regarding Syria, our fight against terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS, as well as other foreign policy challenges we face," Gabbard said in statement.

MOre..
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-gabbard-trump-visit-20161121-story.html

Gabbard defends meeting Syrian leader

snip//

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard defended her trip to Syria and meeting with President Bashar Assad on Wednesday, saying that it’s impossible to broker any kind of peace deal without talking to the country’s leader, who has been accused of war crimes and human rights violations by lawmakers and human rights organizations

More..
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/01/26/hawaii-news/gabbard-defends-meeting-syrian-leader/

That's what we know for sure.

[Victor_c3]

82. Back in 2012 I really wanted to like her

She was a person who was outspoken, appeared progressive, and a veteran of Iraq and was someone I wanted to see with a huge future in our government. However, many times over, she has done many things to upset me.

[jodymarie aimee]

84. Your Mom

so where did she move?

[wiggs]

85. A choreographed crisis to allow Trump and Russia to act together

and make a show of strength? Bomb some installations from afar? Some wrist-slapping to prove that Russia and Trump have Assad under control?

This would be an easier lift than all out war on N Korea's nuc-loving madman, given the choice of fake wars.