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I don't remember President Obama blaming Bush for the mess he inherited (Original Post) malaise Apr 2017 OP
Just saw a clip on CNN of Trump talking about "the mess" he inherited. Different Drummer Apr 2017 #1
He's trying to keep his base stirred up... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #2
Thats because Obama is a gentleman. caroldansen Apr 2017 #3
and a grown up bdamomma Apr 2017 #26
Obama has class. trump has nothing spanone Apr 2017 #4
Onedumbfuck malaise Apr 2017 #15
President Obama madokie Apr 2017 #5
Punk is way too kind malaise Apr 2017 #16
Someone should remind SCROTUS Turnip LOL Lib Apr 2017 #6
The Con: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated' malaise Apr 2017 #17
+1 LOL Lib Apr 2017 #20
Who knows malaise Apr 2017 #21
That's because Obama knew the dimensions of the job he was taking on gratuitous Apr 2017 #7
very important point malaise Apr 2017 #18
Yes, Obama has class NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #8
If you want to read how President Obama addressed the mess he inherited mnhtnbb Apr 2017 #9
Read the first part again....... MyOwnPeace Apr 2017 #13
Partly. Igel Apr 2017 #19
Precisely malaise Apr 2017 #14
He was respectful and circumspect when he did. aikoaiko Apr 2017 #10
Exactly. He didn't pin any one thing on W, but Ilsa Apr 2017 #24
Trump is a no class fool. lpbk2713 Apr 2017 #11
problem is, he should have Skittles Apr 2017 #12
I agree Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #32
yup Skittles Apr 2017 #33
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #34
exactly. mopinko Apr 2017 #40
That's because Obama was, and is, a man with dignity and class. Vinca Apr 2017 #22
"Obama Lied and the Economy Died". Actually a bumper sticker I saw not too brewens Apr 2017 #23
They're sick and delusional malaise Apr 2017 #25
When it comes to the bottom line GP6971 Apr 2017 #27
I think he should have as well, to establish the truth of the narrative that he assumed 58Sunliner Apr 2017 #28
At times President Obama reflected back to the great recession as being what he inherited. juxtaposed Apr 2017 #29
Sure, focus on actual facts!!!! guillaumeb Apr 2017 #30
LOL malaise Apr 2017 #36
It's the Republican Way, just as the GOP tried to blame Bill Clinton for 9/11. They scapegoat. Zen Democrat Apr 2017 #31
He's a class guy, I miss him davekriss Apr 2017 #35
That's the difference between good and evil. Courage and cowardice. Right and wrong world wide wally Apr 2017 #37
Sorry, but, yeah, he did. lindysalsagal Apr 2017 #38
Yep jeanmarc Apr 2017 #39

Different Drummer

(7,627 posts)
1. Just saw a clip on CNN of Trump talking about "the mess" he inherited.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:39 PM
Apr 2017

He never seems to tire of talking about it.

Docreed2003

(16,869 posts)
2. He's trying to keep his base stirred up...
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:43 PM
Apr 2017

To deflect from his total incompetence. He's totally out of his league and has no idea what's involved in the job of president. (I know you know that...just adding to your thought)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. President Obama
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:46 PM
Apr 2017

is full of Class, tRump not so much. As KO said of him, he's a punk

For the record tRump inherited a most robust economy compared to the last few transitions

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
6. Someone should remind SCROTUS Turnip
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:53 PM
Apr 2017

that he walked into the job knowing more than the generals and that "he alone could fix it."

So shut up Donnie. It's time to shit or get off the pot. Translation: if you can't handle the job, it's time to step down.

malaise

(269,115 posts)
17. The Con: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:11 PM
Apr 2017

If stupidfuck didn't know that health care is complicated, how the fuck can he fix anything

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
20. +1
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:24 PM
Apr 2017

He is BIGLY omniscient except when he's not. "Who knew? Oh well it's Obama's fault!"

You know, I fantasize about making a yearly pilgrimage to piss on the pussy grabber's grave after he dies, but I can't for fear that he would enjoy it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
7. That's because Obama knew the dimensions of the job he was taking on
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:54 PM
Apr 2017

Trump? Not so much. If there has ever been a person less prepared by any measure you care to name (experience, intelligence, disposition, personal history, political chops) to assume the presidency than Donald J. Trump, I'd be interested to hear about it. Be prepared to defend your argument against a withering assault.

malaise

(269,115 posts)
18. very important point
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:12 PM
Apr 2017

He knows nothing about anything but believes he knows everything.
That's my description of a jackass and I detest jackasses.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
8. Yes, Obama has class
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:54 PM
Apr 2017

He also has the ability and the willingness to govern. The Whiner In Chief needs to blame somebody for his incompetence.

mnhtnbb

(31,399 posts)
9. If you want to read how President Obama addressed the mess he inherited
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:54 PM
Apr 2017

which was truly a mess, here is his address to Congress in February 2009.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/24/sotn.obama.transcript/


For example:

But while our economy may be weakened and our confidence shaken, though we are living through difficult and uncertain times, tonight I want every American to know this: We will rebuild, we will recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before.

The weight of this crisis will not determine the destiny of this nation. The answers to our problems don't lie beyond our reach. They exist in our laboratories and our universities, in our fields and our factories, in the imaginations of our entrepreneurs and the pride of the hardest-working people on Earth.

Those qualities that have made America the greatest force of progress and prosperity in human history we still possess in ample measure. What is required now is for this country to pull together, confront boldly the challenges we face, and take responsibility for our future once more.

Now, if we're honest with ourselves, we'll admit that for too long we have not always met these responsibilities, as a government or as a people. I say this not to lay blame or to look backwards, but because it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we'll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament.

The fact is, our economy did not fall into decline overnight. Nor did all of our problems begin when the housing market collapsed or the stock market sank.

We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy, yet we import more oil today than ever before.

The cost of health care eats up more and more of our savings each year, yet we keep delaying reform.

Our children will compete for jobs in a global economy that too many of our schools do not prepare them for.

And though all of these challenges went unsolved, we still managed to spend more money and pile up more debt, both as individuals and through our government, than ever before.

In other words, we have lived through an era where too often short-term gains were prized over long-term prosperity, where we failed to look beyond the next payment, the next quarter, or the next election.


Sentence in bold is my highlight.

And here is the truth of the state of the economy which Trump inherited.


While you wouldn’t know it from the way the Trump team has been talking about it, the economy is actually in pretty good shape. The current economic expansion just became the third-longest on record. The economy has been adding jobs every month for more than six years, the longest winning streak since World War II. And the federal budget deficit has sharply declined from a high of 9.8 percent of GDP in the middle of the Great Recession to a manageable 3.2 percent last year.

This is not to say that there aren’t problems. Economic growth has been below potential, and many workers are still suffering from disproportionately high unemployment, particularly African-Americans, Hispanics and people with less education.

But all in all, Trump inherited a strengthening economy that just needs a little help and specific interventions to help a wider swath of Americans share more quickly in the continuing economic gains.

So why would he want to make you think it’s a “mess”? The most likely reason, in my view, is that portraying the current state of the economy as rotten helps the administration justify the wholesale change in policies that it is planning. It also lowers the starting bar so that it’s easier to declare victory later.

But the economic policies that he has suggested, including most of his tax cuts he mentioned in his Feb. 28 speech to Congress, would jeopardize the solid economic gains made in the Obama era. To see why, let’s examine just what Obama left on Trump’s doorstep.



http://www.salon.com/2017/03/04/the-truth-about-obamas-economic-legacy-and-trumps-inheritance_partner/

Trump's accusation of "a mess"? Just another lie from the con man.

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
13. Read the first part again.......
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:03 PM
Apr 2017

PRESIDENT Obama highlighted the problems, assigned no blame, and promised to do what was needed to correct them.

THEN, look at what LIAR-IN-CHIEF does!

Drumpf has no class whatsoever, and wouldn't know it if it came up and grabbed HIM in the...............

Igel

(35,332 posts)
19. Partly.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:21 PM
Apr 2017

That's what one side heard.

The other side heard the comments about "adults," about "making others eat their peas," and about not giving keys to those who "ran the economy into the ditch." It was the worst financial situation in decades; it was the result of their policies.

He assigned blame.

But one side only heard the blame. The other side only remembers the "I've compromised" and "I'm not assigning blame" rhetoric. At the time, a lot of progressives/(D) saw Obama's comments as red meat and went for it. Now that it's difficult to reconcile with what we need, it's easy to overlook it.

Even at the time there was a bit of a dichotomy--many (D) loved the red meat, others didn't even catch its scent--they just saw that Obama said he'd compromised and picked up a lot of (R) ideas, entirely selflessly, and that the (R) lashed out in defiance and racism. Of course, if you talk to any (R) you'd find that they never heard and despised the (R) ideas, often put forward by a single (R) or small group of them years before and utterly rejected by mainstream republicans. But from where we sat, they were obviously long-cherished ideas by most (R). Why? Because it's what we needed.

This is how political discourse is in a polarized society. You can embrace the polarization and further it; or you can resist it, and in so doing both resist Trump and Putin.

aikoaiko

(34,182 posts)
10. He was respectful and circumspect when he did.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 06:55 PM
Apr 2017

If you dig up his first press conference in February 9th 2009, he said what he was willing to do to fix the financial crisis and concluded by saying what he wouldn't do is return to the "failed theories of the last 8 years that led us to this mess".

Very decent.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
24. Exactly. He didn't pin any one thing on W, but
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 08:54 PM
Apr 2017

Spread the blame around to all the Rs and their distructive policies.

Skittles

(153,171 posts)
12. problem is, he should have
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:00 PM
Apr 2017

Obama should have done a much better job letting the American people know EXACTLY the kind of horrific mess the GOP left for him.

Phoenix61

(17,009 posts)
32. I agree
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:12 PM
Apr 2017

While it's great on one level he didn't bash the hell out of the Repubs it left a lot of people thinking it wasn't their fault. We have not done a good job of educating people. Take the high road sounds great but, personally I like "They don't care about people" more.

Skittles

(153,171 posts)
33. yup
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:15 PM
Apr 2017

but I always try to keep keep in mind that Obama, do doubt, had to factor in the "angry black man" syndrome as perceived by conservatives, the way a woman would have to deal with complaints about being "shrill" and "hysterical"

mopinko

(70,174 posts)
40. exactly.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:51 AM
Apr 2017

by the time we all tried to remind these idiots, their mental image of it all was set in concrete.

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
22. That's because Obama was, and is, a man with dignity and class.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 07:36 PM
Apr 2017

Unlike the current Slimeball-In-Chief.

brewens

(13,610 posts)
23. "Obama Lied and the Economy Died". Actually a bumper sticker I saw not too
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

long after Obama was elected. I thought that was pretty amazing. Getting anyone to believe that. Or maybe they just counted on dishonest people grabbing those up?

GP6971

(31,191 posts)
27. When it comes to the bottom line
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:09 PM
Apr 2017

he'll blame others. Never him. It will be interesting to see if things really go south if he'll never blame his sons and son-in-law. Never Ivanka.

58Sunliner

(4,390 posts)
28. I think he should have as well, to establish the truth of the narrative that he assumed
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:10 PM
Apr 2017

responsibility of an economic collapse of epic proportions that were contributed to and caused by the policies of previous administrations. It is part of why the narrative was controlled by repugs. There was not enough of an effort to ascribe the truth and responsibility. It is why people elected him. They wanted the truth. Truth to the power that had ripped America off. It is a disservice to history. And ultimately one man can not take responsibility for all that needed to be addressed. It has nothing to do with being a gentleman and everything to do with leading and informing the people. Here is where we are, and this is how we got there. This is what we need to do. These are the policies that failed us. Failed you. Lives were lost, billions of dollars were lost, homes, jobs, people committed suicide hopeless. We needed him to acknowledge how we got there and who was responsible.

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
29. At times President Obama reflected back to the great recession as being what he inherited.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:11 PM
Apr 2017

One could say, Yes he did throw it back at bush

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
30. Sure, focus on actual facts!!!!
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:11 PM
Apr 2017

Obama was responsible for Sept 11,
Pearl harbor,
the Alamo,
and Adam and Eve being thrown out of the Garden.

Among other things.

Did I mention that Obama is also black?

But seriously, recommended.

jeanmarc

(1,685 posts)
39. Yep
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 06:36 AM
Apr 2017

The wars, the recession, Obama constantly reminded us that he inherited that.

Trump's issues are far far easier and he's whining.

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