Why Trump's Meeting with Xi will go badly...

[MineralMan]

Donald Trump fancies himself the ruler of the most powerful nation on Earth. He is a stupid man, who will not consult with anyone about the protocols of this meeting with the head of state of China. Xi is the leader of the nation with the highest population of any nation on this planet. Economically, China is now in a position to control many of the raw materials and manufactured items used throughout the world. China doesn't care about the environmental issues involved with mining and has enormous resources from which to draw.

If Donald Trump, as he typically does, attempts to act in a bullying way with Xi, he is likely to hear something like this, from a man who is not a stupid man at all:

"President Trump, I am also the leader of one of the most powerful nations on Earth. You will not instruct me on what I must do or not do with regard to North Korea or any other issue. This meeting has ended."

President Trump's complete lack of diplomacy is likely to end in an ugly impasse in any meeting with Xi.

[hatrack]

1. I'm worried he'll address him as "President Eleven" . . .

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[MineralMan]

2. Discussions with Chinese leaders require careful attention

to the very different negotiating styles typical of China. Xi will not be cowed by the idiot, Trump. Not a chance. Trump will blunder badly, because he has no knowledge of how to proceed. I predict a poor outcome from this meeting.

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. China and their leaders know exactly who and what Trump is, I want to say

fuckface here but because of YOU I have stopped doing that. But I really want to

Anyway, they will use the idiot the same way Putin is using him, in their case on trade.

The leaders who realize you can literally buy his favor by complementing his hands, are the ones who will prosper.

[hatrack]

11. "Really Knowing Your Shit" is pretty much the starting point for any senior PRC bureaucrat . . .

Clawing your way up from there politically is the hard part.

And it should be noted that the Chinese ruling elite abounds in people who spent many years studying biology, chemistry, engineering, IT, mathematics, agronomy, physics and much, much more, as opposed to lawyers and "business leaders".

I'd give a lot to thought-stream Xi and his senior aides during the meetings.

[MineralMan]

13. They'll keep their thought-stream hidden very well, I'm sure.

Trump will have no idea. Just as he had no idea what Angela Merkel thought of him. He is oblivious.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. It's possible tRump will think he is arguing with a maitre'd at a NY chinese restaurant. . . nt

[Chiyo-chichi]

30. That's funny...

but I doubt that Trump can decipher even the most basic Roman numerals.

[hatrack]

39. True - assumes basic knowledge not in evidence . ..

[3catwoman3]

43. You are generously giving him credit for...

...knowing Roman numerals, which he probably does not. Rest easy.

[Permanut]

49. I'm still laughing about "President Eleven". Good one. n/t

[KittyWampus]

3. Xi will not hold his hand like Terese May did.

[MineralMan]

6. You are absolutely right.

I work with a Chinese man regularly in my business. In fact, he is my primary client. I've learned some things from him over the past 10 years, and we often discuss differences between the culture he grew up and and our culture here. He emigrated to the US after the Tiananmen Square incident, when he was in his 20s. He's a naturalized citizen here, now, and has a good command of English.

We often attend meetings with potential clients together. His business negotiating skills have improved in the 10 years we have been associated, but he still misses a lot of things during those negotiations. His style tends to be a bit abrupt, and he has no patience with the small talk that generally oils the wheels of such meetings. I serve as a sort of buffer, really. I'm not the leader of such negotiations, because it is his company, not mine. I am just a contractor for it. I write all of the content of the websites we're selling to those businesses. We've lost a few jobs due to his odd presentation and negotiating style. It is very different from ours.

Trump is the essential big American business type. He tends to railroad things when negotiating. That works very poorly with Chinese leaders. Very poorly, indeed.

[Wellstone ruled]

14. What I found was one has to like you say,be

on point and have total command of what you are selling or buying. Interesting with what we see in Florida today is,a Fellow with a Limited knowledge and verbal skills,negotiating with a Fellow of high I.Q.,excellent verbal and oral skills as well as far superior education.

Trump's glad handing will bite him in the ass right from the get go.

[Tanuki]

4. Golf diplomacy will be a non-starter

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/02/politics/trump-xi-jinping-golf-diplomacy-wont-work/index.html

....."Since he came to power nearly five years ago, Xi's government has shut down scores of golf courses across China and effectively banned the 88 million members of the ruling Communist Party from playing.

"For Xi, golf is just such a touchy topic back home, saddled with so much baggage -- the optics would be awful, with or without Trump," said Dan Washburn, author of "The Forbidden Game: Golf and the Chinese Dream," a book on the tumultuous history of golf in China.

"It's a symbol of the corruption Xi has been railing against," he added. "It represents a lot of the things he has spent much of his presidency fighting, so it's hard to envision the government embracing the game any time soon -- at least publicly."...ĺmore)

[MineralMan]

7. Yes. Exactly.

And meeting in the palatial surroundings of Mar a Lago is another mistake. They will not impress Xi. In fact, they are more likely to be offensive, with their fake, gilded reproductions and flamboyant kitsch.

Trump simply has no idea.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Know why trump never takes his companies public?

Even he knows no investor would trust him and no board would allow him to run the company for more than 2 minutes.

[MineralMan]

15. I have no doubt.

I can't imagine sitting through any meeting with that man. I would simply walk out at the first opportunity.

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. Tremendous failure as a businessperson. The only reason he has any success

is he is bailed out by oligarchs and he cheats vendors, etc.

[MineralMan]

19. We don't actually know how successful or not he has been.

I suspect that his balance sheet looks like crap, overall.

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. Very true

[Wellstone ruled]

38. So agree,that in it's self is a non starter.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Another thing: The Chinese consider the details of diplomatic protocol

to be very important. Since this meeting was thrown together quite recently, it is likely that the careful protocols observed by previous administrations (planned months in advance) will be disregarded. We have no functioning State Department, which in a normal administration would take care of such things, so SCROTUS and his clueless minions are likely to behave boorishly, as usual, causing offense and making an already fraught situation even worse.

[MineralMan]

8. Trump has no Chief of Protocol at the White House

and the State Department's protocol director position remains vacant. Trump does not care about protocols or the fine points of diplomacy. He offends almost every leader with whom he comes in contact. His personal style is boorish and his presidential style is the same as his personal style.

He is simply an offensive person.

[Vermijelli]

48. The Chinese snubbed the first black president at Beijing airport.

After messing with our aircraft stairs they yelled at Obama's staff on the tarmac. Obama, having a cool head as always, played it down, but it was all deliberate.

[3_Limes]

12. And I thought the answer would be...

"Because Trump will be there.".

Shows what I know.

[Generic Other]

16. Not holding the meeting at the White House

Might be seen as a lack of respect as it is the most important symbol of our government and represents our nation. Almost like Xi not considered important enough. Not the wisest message to send.

[MineralMan]

20. Yes, exactly. That occurred to me right away.

Instead, Trump will meet him in a phony edifice full of obviously fake elegance. Mar a Lago is an exercise in kitsch. The White House has enormous gravitas. Mar a Lago has enormous ridiculous false glamour. It is a sham of prestige. The only place suitable for two heads of state to meet is the White House. DC is the seat of government.

It is an insult to hold this meeting at that Palm Beach monstrosity.

[exboyfil]

28. Especially when you consider that the Chinese

culture and their existence as a people dates back thousands of years.

This behavior harkens back to 19th century colonialism.

[MineralMan]

31. Yes. So vastly overstated is Mar-a-Lago,

and so obviously phony, that anyone would recognize it as a sham. Neither the building or anything inside of it has any legitimate history. It's all pretending to be something it cannot possibly be.

[KT2000]

42. the Mar-a lago visits

are so he can charge the government for use of his facilities. Xi has opted to stay at a resort rather than his phony palace. Ha!

[Buns_of_Fire]

17. Not to worry. Elly May will probably also be in attendance

to offer President Xi some hearty down-home vittles like well-done steak and ketchup served like that guy Al Fresco does it out by the cee-ment pond.

[MineralMan]

22. Maybe they'll order take-out from some Palm Beach

New York-style Chinese restaurant. You know, make Xi feel "at home" and stuff.

[MineralMan]

23. I wonder if The Donald will drag Ivanka along to this.

I can hear Xi thinking right now, "Why does this man bring his child to a meeting with me?"

[eleny]

24. This meeting has been worrying me

It's because of Trump's personality, the fact that they aren't meeting at the WH - our symbolic house, how the Chinese own so much of our debt and what Trump was saying about China during the campaign.

I'm on tenterhooks about what our idiotic president will propose or demand that will embarrass America and screw up any relationship we have with the Chinese.

When I think of our relationship with China I'm always reminded of that Star Trek episode of two warring factions who have their hands around each others throats with equal strength. Right now we need each other even as China expands its influence in Africa. Right now we need each other and should use a measure of diplomacy to keep us all going. If Trump believes that his relationship with Putin and Russian money guys inoculates him and us from Chinese fiscal aggression - all I can think is that we're in for it.

Every darned day he makes me glad that I'm old. And I miss Obama.

[MineralMan]

25. Yes. It worries me, too.

Trump misrepresents the United States in such meetings. All meetings with heads of state should take place in our White House. That's true for safety reasons and to better represent our nation. Mar-a-Lago looks like a Vegas casino, outside and in. The White House looks like our nation's history.

[eleny]

26. And he dissed China at almost every rally

Not that I want any president to kiss China's ass. But Trump is a boor and disrespectful of those who require most anything of him.

[TexasTowelie]

27. Maybe Trump will follow Greg Abbott's fine example and give Xi a clock as a gift?

http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/abbott-delivers-clock-death-taiwans-president/

[underpants]

29. Yep. Posted this article earlier. I highly recommend it.

Good read

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016182748

[MineralMan]

32. Here's a Menu for the state dinner with Xi.

Trump wants him to feel right at home, so they'll be ordering take-out from this menu. It will be delivered to the table in those paper take-out boxes that will be so familiar to Xi. The restaurant that will deliver, China Sky Take-Out is well-known in West Palm Beach for fast delivery and great low prices.



Here's an example of one of their favorites: General Tso's Chicken, a known favorite of Xi's.

[Warpy]

33. It will. Xi is intelligent and cultivated. Dolt45's picture is next to "boor" in the dictionary

and his circular thumb and index finger gesture is a very insulting one in China. He uses it (and he will), he's basically calling Xi a p**y. While I'm sure Xi knows of the cultural difference, he will still be inwardly offended.

Most of all, Dolt gets his views on China from Pox News. He still thinks they're back in the 1950s, behind us in both technology and military hardware.

No, this will not go well.

[MineralMan]

34. Trump Is a Boor. He Typifies the Ugly American.

And you're no doubt right about how Trump sees China.

[jeanmarc]

35. Trump thinks all nations trade deficits should be equal and zero

That's stupid on its face.

[MineralMan]

36. You said "Trump thinks...."

[Recursion]

37. It's going to be a damn fire sale on US interests and positions all over the world

I'm seriously troubled by the fact that there's apparently not a grown-up at the meeting.

[saidsimplesimon]

40. thank you MineralMan

I welcome Chairman Xi Jinping and his beautiful, intelligent wife, Peng Liyuan. I regret that one semester of Chinese is inadequate in offering the proper respect.

Don's digs in Florida pale in comparison to the access this couple has to more tasteful locations.

The meeting can not go badly for Xi.

[DK504]

41. Gorbachev said something similar to Reagan.

President Trump, I am also the leader of one of the most powerful nations on Earth. You will not instruct me on what I must do or not do with regard to North Korea or any other issue. This meeting has ended."

Reagan had the balls to talk shit to Gorbachev a couple years into his "presidency", the dumbass, like the Orange Mussolini, thought he was smarter than every one. Thank God Gorby knew he would be out of office and he wouldn't start a shooting war. Unlike Orange Turd he wants a shooting war and we will lose even more standing in the world.

[no_hypocrisy]

46. Reisa Gorbachev, also highly educated, put in her opinion during those talks.

Nancy Reagan in a huff retorted, "Who does that dame think SHE is?"

[no_hypocrisy]

45. How much do you think the bill that Trump will hand Xi will be?

[3catwoman3]

47. Trump is...

...a cra$$hole.