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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA Mac has invaded my house!
UPS stopped by a couple of days ago with a box. It turns out that my wife had ordered a Mac Mini computer, unbeknownst to me. Until now, our home has been a Mac-free zone, but there it is. So, since she's busy with deadlines just now, I set the thing up on the dining room table so she can play with it and decide whether or not she wants to switch over to it for her primary PC.
I did have to run out and pick up a new monitor, because none of the spare ones in our house have an HDMI input. No biggie, though. I found a nice Lenova model at Best Buy for under $100. Since the claims were that the thing could use pretty much any keyboard and mouse, I plugged a cheapo Windows keyboard and mouse into a couple of the USB ports.
I hit the power switch on the Mac Mini and there it was: The Dreaded Apple Logo. During setup, I had to press a couple of keys on the keyboard so the OS could identify what sort of device it might be. "Aha!"...the disembodied voice said, more or less. The PC mouse, though, worked fine from the start. Setup was easy. It immediately found all of the wifi connections available. I had to get my wife's Apple ID from her Rolodex (she still has one of those things). If it goes on her desk, eventually, I'll plug in the Ethernet cable, for somewhat faster performance online.
Dead simple, really, and much faster to setup than my recent Windows 10 PC purchase. No lengthy OS update or anything of the sort. I fired up Safari and downloaded Office 365 on my wife's account. That appeared to work fine, as well. I downloaded Chrome and synced it with her account.
Job done. It's a cute little box. Looks like an over-sized CD-ROM player from the old days. Doesn't take up any space, really.
Then, I took off my hazardous materials protective gear and went back to my own desk.
Note: I have sworn never to touch the thing again, though. I do not want to be contaminated with Apple Cooties.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Love it!
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)laptop (with 7 days left to return it if I have to), I've had quite a few moments wondering if I shouldn't just give up and pay a bit more for the MacBook Pro. Still can't get one set of bluetooth speakers to work and the wifi is currently less reliable in terms of drops than my ancient SONY VAIO win 7 laptop.... the number of win 10 device conflicts I have encountered has been ridiculous.
The only thing keeping me from it is knowing I'd have to eventually set up Windows virtualization on the Mac for the few programs I have that still require it and that is fairly costlly.
Still, those macs look so damned seemless, so you'll get no anti-Mac snark from me.
TXCritter
(344 posts)I understand your difficulty understanding that you have been abused by Microsoft for years. You have Stockholm syndrome. It's OK. It's OK to admit that Microsoft is abusive and you deserve better. It's OK to use Apple. You deserve better than Microsoft.
And, before you say "Linux"... open up the terminal on that Mac Mini. You will find beautiful Unix underneath it all.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)The funny thing is that I don't really care anymore. One box is the same as the other one, as far as I'm concerned, most of the time.
However, I'm used to working on the underside of Windows, so I'll stick to it. But, I don't really care what kind of PC I'm using, really. They're all fairly transparent if you've been screwing around with them for 30+ years.
As the song goes, "It don't matter to me..."
2naSalit
(86,794 posts)I have a love/hate relationship with MACs. Have been using them off and on since they hit the market in the last century. I don't know just what it is about them but I despise having to use them, I hate the mouse unit and the keypads, I hate their language (copyrighted terminology for commands, etc) and I hate they way they are "set up"... but sometimes people hire me to do work for them and it often turns out that they have a damned iMac or Apple flavored laptop. I have to deal with a certain level of brain damage to get the job done.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)a new imac is coming out at the end of the year with new internal architecture.
but I understand the need for a new one, my current 2009 imac is on it's last legs (I bought it refurbed) and am waiting for the new ones right now...or until this one craps out. LOL
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)I'm the hardware guy around here, so I set it up. I don't care, really. It's just another magic box, as far as I'm concerned.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Now, this Mac Mini is just a little box with some plug-ins on the back. Otherwise, it's a featureless little thing. There's a tiny, tiny light on the front that shows that it's on, and that's about it. No drive slots or any other damned thing at all. Just a little silver box with a black round thing on the top.
This is where it's all going, really. It's always been going there. Mostly, it is just a magic box. You can't open it to see what's inside. You can't fix it if it breaks.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
a magic box. LOL
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)I've watched this technology from the very beginning. I took a FORTRAN class way back in 1963, and have been involved in computers ever since. In just a few decades, we've finally reached the point where they are just featureless boxes that simply work to let you do pretty much whatever you want to do.
From IBM punch cards to little computers you carry around with you that are way, way more powerful than the IBM 1620 I cut my teeth on. And you don't really need to know anything about how they work. You just use them. They don't even come with owner's manuals any longer. Plug the stuff in and turn them on and get started with whatever it was you wanted to do.
They're finally technology that works invisibly. They all work the same now. Just touch what you want, one way or another, and do what you want to do. Or, you could ask Siri. She knows what to do, and will tell you if you ask just right.
"Siri! Where's the nearest Starbucks!" Siri knows every damned thing worth knowing.
Just freaking amazing!
Magic boxes, indeed!
Javaman
(62,534 posts)you have the world literally at the touch of your fingers and people think that's no big deal.
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)calling them that for years
tblue37
(65,488 posts)Move over, Raspberry Pi. This startup is building a $9 computer
CHIP has on-board Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. (Did we mention it's $9?)
CYRUS FARIVAR - 5/9/2015, 3:01 PM
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Dave Rauchwerk and a team of eight people are creating a $9 computer, designed to dovetail the success of their $249 Raspberry Pi-based camera. Their $1 million venture-backed startup, Next Thing Co., aims to put this crazy-cheap, hackable computer into the hands of as many people as possible.
The computerknown as the CHIPhit Kickstarter on Thursday. Already its blown through its target goal of $50,000. As of this writing, the company has raised over $407,000 from over 8,000 people, including this reporter.
The CHIP is in the vein of small, Linux-based, inexpensive computers, like the Raspberry Pi and the Beagle Board. Crucially, though, it has built-in Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, so you wont have to sacrifice a USB port. The computer runs a 1Ghz R8 ARM processor and hums along with 512MB of RAM, and 4GB of flash storage. It also has a full-sized USB port, and a composite video out, so it can work with older televisions.
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When mounted into a Pocket CHIP, you've got a pocket-sized computer. (A pencil eraser works surprising well as a stylus.)
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steve2470
(37,457 posts)Back in the day, you had to trudge down to the library or have a book in your library, or call a reference librarian. Computers + Google (or any other search engine) + internet = quasi-god machine or as you said, magic box
Quackers
(2,256 posts)MineralMan
(146,331 posts)You can take it apart, but there's nothing fixable inside. That's intentional. Like most of this stuff, if it works for a week, it will keep working until it's obsolete and you want a new one. I can't remember the last time I opened up the box on my desktop PC. I know what's in there, but I don't need to. With new PCs at about $500 that are capable of anything I want to do, I don't care.
This new Mac Mini will just sit there and run. When it's obsolete, a new one will take its place, but the old one will probably still be perfectly usable.
It's like the new cars. You buy one, drive it around, take it in for its regular services and never do anything to it at all. After five years, you take it back to the dealer and drive off with a new one. I've been an auto mechanic, but when I open the hood of my current car, I look at it, check the oil and other stuff and close the hood again. I'll never apply a wrench to anything under there.
That's good, and bad, too. I used to enjoy working on my cars. On the other hand, now, I don't have to.
Stuff gets better and better.
BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)....just pretty much a raspberry pi then.
Canoe52
(2,949 posts)that says it all there, any Microsoft product would have been dead a long time ago.
We just switched to all apple last year, a bit of a learning curve after pc's since day one, but getting the hang of it now. Apple is a class act.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)It was still working fine, but I wanted a new one. I paid $500 for the old one, back in 2004, and paid $500 for the new Windows 10 machine. Never even opened the case of that old Dell.
Hardware just works these days. If it survives the first week, it'll last for as long as you can stand to still use it, pretty much.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The hardware continues working, but it's the software that becomes obsolete. MS has it set up that way. My favorite MS OS - my desktop still had (has) it, but MS quit updating it a couple or so years ago. So I use the desktop as a backup for emergencies.
My laptops don't last long. This is my third. The first two started having trouble with the plug-in on the laptop itself. The Dell - it's part of the motherboard, so isn't fixable. Then the laptop started having all sorts of problems. Lousy computer, and THAT was the pricey higher end one! OS Windows 7 (which I like).
Then my 17" Toshiba - it was awesome. I spent a lot less on this one than the Dell. And it was much better.
Alas, I dropped it on the plug-in adapter side, so guess what doesn't work well, now? I can still use it, but I have to leave it plugged in, can't move it around, and have to hard wire it to the modem. The wireless quit working. OS Windows 8.1 (which is okay).
Now I have my third. I've gone fairly cheap this time. An Asus 15". Speakers suck. But I've used it many hours per day EVERY day for a year. No problems to speak of. OS Windows 10 (which I hate).
I'd like to try an Apple, but they're so pricey. Maybe next time I can buy a refurbed certified one from Apple. They sell out of those fast, though.
Canoe52
(2,949 posts)last year, only paid a grand for it.
Now looking for prices on the iPad Air 2 to drop as the new model is out.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)give it a rest. it's just a tool. I use a pc as well.
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)i don't upgrade. i lurch.
TheBlackAdder
(28,214 posts).
While Apple has been asleep for a couple of years on their MacPro, iMacs and Mac Mini, they just did some small updates to the Pro and promised not to abandon the desktop platform--even though they've pretty much done so up to this point. Apple lowered the prices of these older designed systems, because the parts that are installed in them have basically dropped to junk bond status, while they kept the prices unchanged. Many in the Mac community complained about this, and the rumors websites show the anger and fear of abandonment.
I recommended an i5 Mac Mini for someone in November as a way to introduce themselves to Mac OS, integrate with their cell phones and iPods easier. Integration is easier when certain chat services are on the same platform. My kids tell me this when using Android devices to join in on chats, as real-time updates are delayed.
Apple says iMacs are towards the EOY, but there are hints it might even be after the Christmas shopping season or right before, when demand will outpace supply. Granted, the Mac Mini uses the 4th Generation Intel processors, when the 7th Generations are coming out in other devices, but it is a nice entry into the Mac OS platform and is very quiet and energy efficient. Not a lick of problems.
It's not an Intel NUC or HP Z2 type machine, but those would be preferable to someone wanting to run Linux or even Windows (I just barfed a little). Heck, you could even do a Hackintosh on them, if so inclined. Apple did not give any real indication that the Mac Mini was going to be worked on anymore, just some nebulous comment. I would find it odd that the firm that basically pioneered the MiniPC would abandon it just when that market is taking off. Apple is still a while away from developing anything that would compete with a NUC or Z2 (which seems to use some NUC internals) for it's user serviceability, the processing power of their 7th Gen i7, the 32GB of RAM or two M.2 SSDs support that can be configured as RAID 0 or RAID1 for a price of around $1300. While viruses really don't exist in Mac world, malware does, so a good anti-malware program is still needed.
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Silent3
(15,271 posts)...but I'm still happy with it. I suspect that the new "pro-focussed" models will have pro-focussed prices too. In the same price range as what I bought perhaps Apple will update to Kaby Lake processors, but that's not a big deal to miss out on. Thunderbolt 3 would have been nice to have by waiting a bit, but I can live without it.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)had it a little over a week and so far the only thing I've really done with it is play Fishdom - it's a candy-crush style objects-matching game with an aquarium theme. I first saw it on my wife's iPad and thought it was a pretty smooth time-waster.
But I'm trying to find my old Wacom tablet and I've downloaded a few free art programs and I'm gonna see if mac's graphics reputation holds up.
If history is any indication, the worst part will be when your wife says "Hey how do I...?" and it will be completely different from what you're used to. I finally had to tell my wife there's an apple store at the mall that can answer those questions (about her iPad) because I can't.
But now she says "HA! You'll have to learn those answers!"
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Google. If you want to know how to solve a problem, Google will give you the answer.
I'll probably have to learn some more about its underside, I suppose. Oh, well. It's all logic, really. I saw the tools icon. The answer will be found in there, whatever the problem is.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)"...If you want to know..."
Before, I didn't, but I guess now I gotta want to...
I do have to admit though it's finely crafted piece of machinery. It jut feels good and looks nifty.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Welcome to the User-Friendly Side. Feel the smooth convenience flow through you. Put the Apple logo sticker on your Subaru or Volvo.
Sent from my iPhone
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Still, I'm the troubleshooter guy around here, so I suppose I'll have to get familiar with it.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)And I liked it at first as I like learning new systems. Lots of system tools. Stable as hell.
But my job was testing windows software, and while I never used the laptop for work, windows ran poorly on the dual boot. It would get hot and the battery life dropped to like 2 hours. Unacceptable.
Eventually I stopped using it. My main 'pc' now is an iPad Pro. If I was a developer, I'd probably go MacBook with at least dual fans. But for windows, I'm a dell xps guy now.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 7, 2017, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Is that somewhat similar to your setup? Or were you trying to load WIN 10?
Maybe I'll just keep tinkering with my now 7-day old high-end WIN 10 laptop... sigh...
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)But I had a white-plastic version iMac, and I swear to god it ran WinXP better than any beige-box machine I've ever owned.
I think it's because Apple writes the drivers specific to the hardware they know is in the machine.
More current Macs should have no trouble with current Windows versions.
jeanmarc
(1,685 posts)Turns out I had a single fan MacBook. It's possible that Win10 works better, but I had already sold the MacBook. I didn't use parallels. I used Apple's solution for dual boot, can't remember the name, but it also had driver issues.
Have a Dell XPS 15 and a Dell XPS 13 to do the heavy work now. Now what I wish is my father could use a Mac, as he's a major pain in the ass for support. Every 2 weeks, I get the call and he's fuarked up his PC. He clicks on everything. He's the one that should be using an iPad, but he's stubborn. He's gotten the virus that corrupts and takes over the encryption keys three times now. Quit clicking on stupid shit, Dad! Lol
shraby
(21,946 posts)cause they won't run on my win 7 or win 10. Hope that little jewel never dies. I use a flash drive to move what I've done to the others.
FakeNoose
(32,767 posts)... but my son who's now in his 40s, has sworn by Macs ever since his college days.
He didn't get the love for Apple from me, but anyway.
I've worked in the printing industry for my whole career, and there's a definite dichotomy in printing. All the graphics people work on Macs, all the business people (and their customers) work on Windows-system computers.
To each his own, I guess.
TheBlackAdder
(28,214 posts).
Much of what you do in Windows is sent to Amazon, Microsoft or the NSA, as they aid their collections.
Add in Cortana, which listens even when your devices are in Sleep mode, and you have the perfect storm.
Apple is a little more subtle about their data collection efforts, and is not as invasive or wide in scope.
I've given up on Microsoft because most of the viruses and malware are by intent, having backdoor gate calls and access points that allow their software to run much faster than 3rd party vendors who must follow published APIs. Way back, during the Windows, Mac, OS/2 wars, there were talks about closing those security exposures and have the operating systems run in a protected supervisor state--similar to many mainframes. Old timers will remember the Spreadsheet and browser wars of the 80s and 90s. Lotus and Netscape had to follow published APIs while Microsoft took unpublished backdoor gate calls to make their products run faster, while losing integrity. People liked Microsoft because their stuff ran faster--not realizing that the other products were handicapped by them.
For years, Microsoft promised a secure OS, and WINNT was supposed to be the first step. While Apple got partially there, Microsoft went for speed over security. Those exposures are easily discovered during code disassembly. The NSA access points, which are pressured on OS vendors as a means to gain instant access to a desktop, gives Russia and other hackers direct and untraceable access to anyone's OS. Certain corporate router and firewall firms have the same access points, which open networks up to rogue agents from any country. Then, we have hardware made in China, and expect that stuff to be secure from them. Heck, even most mainboards have NSA firmware in there. This allows for mass data collection under a single warrant, upwards of a million home desktops at one shot. The NSA doesn't hack into home systems, they don't need to. And in our need to secure ourselves, by allowing the government to eavesdrop, we've opened up our whole country to every other one. That seems to have added more exposure than the purported benefits. I took a US Intel course, and it's quite unsettling.
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Illinoislady23
(1 post)When you have a PC, you do your own housework.
When you have a MAC, you have a maid!
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)It's the difference between hiring an unskilled high-school office temp you have to train on the job, and an experienced clerk/receptionist you can give high-level requests to without the fiddly details.
In my experience, MacOS gets out of your way so you can do work literally ten minutes out of the box.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)After that it starts to get hairy.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)On a Mac, I have composed and mixed music, edited video, written screenplays and computer games, played Portal 2, done my taxes, used Microsoft Office, assembled art and edited photos, and much more.
You might be thinking of an iPad or iPhone, which do excel mostly at browsing and email and mobile gaming (aside from specialized uses created just for iPad with all the doctors and nurses using them in hospitals).
The only thing Macs still can't honestly be best at is being a hardcore gaming machine, but that's what consoles are for. Any major game eventually will have a Mac version. But you're interested in work.
Just because corporations use Windows PCs doesn't mean that Macs aren't capable of the same uses.
Well as someone who supports both in multi platform environments all I can tell you is I groan every time someone wants a Mac.
Compatibility issues are not a myth.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)I certainly understand running Windows apps virtually on Mac in Parallels or Crossover or Wine can be a pain.
Running Windows in Bootcamp should be less so, since you're actually running the correct OS.
But running a native MacOS program, such as Office for Mac shouldn't be that much of an issue.
And yes, I do understand that many clients run legacy apps that are sometimes hard to get working on any OS as they update.
But if you groan just because you don't like MacOS, that's not Apple's fault!
In my experience, things on Mac work or they don't; if they don't, it's usually a hardware issue or incompatibility, not because something in the OS is configured incorrectly.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)it's not because I don't like macs it is because invariably there will be some part of the system that doesn't work correctly.
They are great stand alone machines when you stay inside the apple world. It's the second you try to venture out that things start to get ugly.
If my use was limited to personal use I might consider one but more than likely not as there are better cheaper alternatives for damn near everything a mac can do.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)Interesting. That's never been my experience.
I mean, if something breaks, it breaks. I have worn out the hard drive in nearly every iMac I owned, but that's after at least four years of constant use.
If something "doesn't work correctly" in regard to mixing with something from a foreign OS...that's just what you deal with when you work multiplatform. Is it not working correctly because it doesn't do it the way a PC does?
Macs can run a lot of Windows programs, but no Mac program works correctly on Windows. And there are actually a few I would like.
malaise
(269,172 posts)and it is gorgeous
awesomerwb
(139 posts)which is awesome. Wait, wait, wait.
I used to be a Windows hater, but was forced to the Windows world and it's alright. I liked W7, and W10 is alright.
I am so looking forward to going back to the Mac though, but won't unless they release a new Mini soon or a special new iMac.
My last Mac was a 24" iMac but Magic Jack crashed it and that horrific crash fried the motherboard.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)The biggest secret is that Macs become transparent between you and work, where PCs are like that eager but untrained high school graduate you've got to explain everything to before they can help, and then walk in on a month later going "YOU'VE STORED ALL THE FILES HERE???"
Have your wife show you how multiple desktop switching works with trackpad gestures and see if you don't want a piece of that!
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)But, I've been screwing with the damned things for over 30 years, now, and have followed through every change and improvement, and have coped with just about everything. I don't care any more. I used to run a PC user's group of about 150 people. I did that for 12 years, and walked people through the whole process of getting competent with the things over and over again.
Finally, though, I stopped being interested in the technology, at about the Windows 95 launch time. It stopped being interesting to me at that point and became just another familiar tool. I basically dropped out, then, although I kept writing for PC World until about 2002. I decided to do something else. I shut down my little one-man shareware company, dropped out of the user's group, stopped writing about computers, and moved on with my life.
Now, I just use the things. I don't care about what's inside any longer. That's because it doesn't really matter any more. They're all the same, really. They all work the same. They all look the same. From smart phones to any other sort of computing device, you can finally just use them.
I still understand what's inside, but I don't care any more.
videohead5
(2,181 posts)Last year for a friend.it was a MacBook Pro.it needed just about everything.a new hard drive,CD rom drive and keyboard.what a pain in the ass.the keyboard takes like 50 or more tiny screws.after getting it back together the new OS would not installed I finally found out I had to set the clock back 3 years then it installed.I like my Windows 10.it works and it never crashes.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)I like it but had to learn how to use it, particularly the photo program. No problem--we went to the Apple store and took a lesson.
But importing all of our photo files from the PC was/is a major headache. If you do it all in one big dump, you will have a mess. I've had to take them off and reload them one folder at a time. And we have about 17K photos. I still have work to do on that.
But still are very glad for the switch. For one thing, they are more secure. The photo editing program is superior. Just takes getting used to after a long time with PC.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and your clients. You're forgiven! LOL!!!
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)ananda
(28,876 posts)I love my Mac. I've been using Macs since my
first Mac Classic in 92.
I also have an iPod, iPad mini, and iPhone.
The only device I have that isn't Apple is an
LG bluetooth collar which syncs with all my
Apple devices so that's how I listen to music.
Life is good.
samnsara
(17,636 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)You know how you end up looking through a small opening above the steering wheel because the defroster hardly works?
That's what using a Mac feels like to me.
I'm a certified Mac dude--my job requires it--but i still prefer the Windows environment.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)And you're right.
hunter
(38,328 posts)Linux is like a helicopter.
If someone gave me a Mac I'd be sorely tempted to install Debian on it. Forget OS X whatever. It would probably be best if I simply gave the machine away to someone who wanted a Mac rather than offend the Mac faithful.
I'm not interested in Windows or Mac software. I won't touch either sort of machine unless someone is paying me.
The last new computer I bought was a $35 Raspberry Pi. It runs Raspian, a derivative of Debian.
Before that, a long time ago, I once bought a shop-worn 386 for $300. That was my last new desktop computer. Since then there are so many people discarding computers that have been bogged down and rendered useless by Microsoft updates and other cruft, that I don't buy computers anymore, I find them, overwrite Windows, install Debian, and I'm good to go.
For people who don't want to learn anything about computers, people who mostly use their computers for web browsing, email, and light writing tasks, the most foolproof computer is a Chromebook, not a Mac. Chromebooks are inexpensive too.
Our local high schools are giving Chromebooks to all the students. The teachers and IT people love them, they are *that* difficult to screw up. (If anyone can screw up a computer, it's high school kids and teachers.)
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Awesome machines for peanuts and fit most peoples needs perfectly.
The little chromeboxes are superb as well.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I'm an avid PC gamer and windows has been essential for that as well as custom building my rig.
BUT
For artists, a Mac is superior. Garage and, iMovie, Final Cut Pro, etc...
Plus the OS is much more efficient and Windows 10 has now twice fucked everything up with its forced updates.
DemoTex
(25,403 posts)I had such a bad experience with Windows 10, that I bought a MacBook Pro to use for a dedicated Adobe Creative Cloud platform (Photoshop/Lightroom). I absolutely love it!
I did, finally, get my PC rolled back to Windows 8.1. So it is now my backup machine.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,022 posts)Maybe put a portable hat mat plastic room around it?
MuseRider
(34,120 posts)I learned on them and even had a laptop for a few years (table top they told me, not laptop, and that is why it burned my legs through my jeans until the skin blistered) so I junked it and went back to Windows. I will never go back, I have less problems being very non tech with my Windows than I did with my Mac. My husband told me Mac was so much easier but then I found out he spends several hours a day updating and righting things to keep it in form. Meh, we all love what we love and use what we use. I loathe everything about Apple and Macintosh but that is just me and I am certainly a loner in my family. Have fun with whatever you use.
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,779 posts)at least.
Still working on an Apple G5 with the Motorala chips. This thing is 17 years old, cannot update any of the new OS, but it still carries on. Great for graphics and on and on. Have a 20 year old laptop that I still use as my music server. Let's see any windoze machine beat that!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)I think I am drifting away again at the moment just because they aren't really selling anything I want to buy.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)because it got bricked when the owner attempted to upgrade to Win10 while overseas.
It has a quad- core cpu with a 500gig hard drive and no cd/dvd drive. The boot record had gotten corrupted during the WIN10 update and the bootup repair option did not work.
So I booted it up with a live version of Fedora (Linux) off of a usb stick and took a look at it. Since the owner had upgraded and did not want it back i did a permanent install of Fedora on the hard drive.
Fedora desktop ($0) is pretty slick. It has windows like feel and comes with everything yhat the typical user needs for free if you can download the install onto a usb stick and have internet acess.
There is an applications tab at the top left that allows you to start up native Linux apps and an option to install additional free native apps.
It has (native) Firefox and chromium (the Linux version of chrome) and an open software version (LibreOffice) of Microsoft office.
It also has an app called PlayLinux that has a long list of windows programs that you can select and install for free with a click it will install and run them like you were on Windows. .For instance internet explorer ie8. So you dont have to be a Linux geek to use it.
It also has a tool to create virtual machines where.it partions the disk and lets you install other operating systems. I've created one VM and installed Ubuntu Linux on it. If i can find a cheap online install of windows 7 or 8 install , i'll create a windows VM.
You can run (login) to these vm's on the laptop itself or remote into them from other computers on your network.
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)We all float down here!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)People get way too worked up about this issue.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Similar reasons.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)best computor I ever owned.
TeamPooka
(24,255 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,301 posts)It was a so-so game, but had a great theme song.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I still have both flavors in the house...but I do prefer the windows laptop.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)The Macintosh engineers put a huge amount of thought into making the iOS interface intuitive and easy to use. I've been using Windows for 24 years, so I'm about as much as a Windows fanboi as they come (also do the beta program).
I might eventually get an imac just to play with.
forgotmylogin
(7,531 posts)One of the funniest things that happened when I switched from PC to Mac:
I was trying to import a file into another program. I tried everything I could...file...no import or export. I tried opening the bare file "with" the app. After about an hour of trying over two days, I did some research online.
"To import a file, drag and drop it into the workspace."
Oh.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I'll be the first one to admit that Windows isn't perfect. However, macOS is just another tool, just like Windows. You have to learn how to use it and it does similar tasks. I've used both operating systems (as well as many flavors of Linux) and it just boils down to your personal preferences. I won't bash macOS but I won't elevate it above Windows either. Linux is great if you're willing to learn it, especially the command line options.
As far as security goes, you can lock down Windows pretty tightly if you know what you're doing and are careful on the internet. Of course, given a hacker with enough time and resources, almost anyone can be hacked.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)That's hilarious. Our house is an Apple free zone. My son is a major techie and so not an Apple fan. Apple cooties, that cracked me up. I have always thought Apple products were overpriced but to each their own.
area51
(11,921 posts)aka TrueOS
hunter
(38,328 posts)That's why I found MS-DOS such a disappointment.
At home I went from my Atari 800, to DR-DOS and Geoworks, to Windows (because it ran Netscape, and later Opera), to Linux.
Linux was like coming home. I remember trying BSD at the time, but the fastest machine I had then wasn't a common one and I had some driver troubles, so I decided to give Linux a shot. My favorite distribution is Debian.
My last Windows machine ran a thoroughly hacked version of 98SE (No Internet Explorer, no Active-X, a dumb Windows 95 type desktop, scary USB hacks... etc.) That machine, running the Opera browser, was the machine I first logged onto DU with.
Thanks for reminding me. I'll give it a try on the next machine I find.
snpsmom
(685 posts)Meh, they're all tools. As long as it works, I don't care about the brand name or the operating system.
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)JDC
(10,133 posts)Love my MacPro. Run Windows 8 and 10 inside VMWare Fusion on it just to say I can...and for some work stuff....
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)If anyone showed up with a MAC, I'd tell them they're on their own. That includes iPhones.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Here's an example: My wife, one morning, told me that her iPhone wasn't ringing or making any sounds at all. She was missing calls. Now, I don't use any smart phone. I have a flip phone that is off unless I want to make a call. I said, "Hmm...." to her, and held out my hand. She gave me the phone.
I looked in the tools menu and found the sounds section, but everything was set up so that she'd hear all of the annoying sounds that device makes. Next, I looked for the volume buttons on the phone, and turned the volume up. Still no joy. I tested the phone by calling it from our landline phone. No ring at all.
So, I looked closer at the phone, and found the little switch that Apple put there to let you silence the phone. Sure enough, it was off. I turned it back on and called the number from the landline after handing it back to her. It rang. She answered it. I said, "All fixed, now." Then I explained what I had done. I haven't had to fix that problem again. She was mildly embarrassed.
Sometimes, the family IT guy just has to bite the bullet.
hunter
(38,328 posts)My own cell phone, an old flip phone with an antenna you can pull out for better reception, is as stupid as they get.