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If Putin is starting to turn on tRUMP, does that mean Putin will spill the dirt on tRUMP???
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)And I don't think he's doing it to help rump.
FenwayDonkey
(68 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)But I think he is still a useful idiot for the time. Being.
I would be careful of believing anything Putin and Trump want you to believe.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)There's no reason to believe that they're in this together.
Putin is trying to weaken the US, not be BFFs with Trump.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Is pitting us against one another.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Do you mean us Democrats? or us, the US and Russia, or another us?
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Republicans vs Democrats. We are so divided right now because we literally have 2 sets of facts.
At this point it would be difficult to impeach Trump because right wing news would claim he's innocent, even if all of the legitimate news sources had him dead to rights.
This is the best possible scenario for Putin, a weakened America.
JI7
(89,252 posts)We have two groups of people who accept different things as facts.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Unfortunately, that's the greater problem. Imho
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Democratic system under the rug.
The divide between R and D was there long before Trump sold the US to Putin.
Our behaving as if that coup is business as usual, our allowing it to fall OFF the front pages would be the best scenario for Putin.
I didn't suggest that the Putin hacking story be swept under the rug.
I'm merely pointing out that it's win-win for Putin. If Trump is impeached, we are divided, if Trump is not impeached, we are divided.
Either way, we are weakened and Putin is stronger in the world. The last thing I'm suggesting is that we let them get away with it just so we will get along better.
No, the whole fiasco needs to be uncovered so we don't have to see this kind of thing again.
mac56
(17,569 posts)It will not last.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)But it's not sustainable.
These bombing raids and meetings with the Chinese and saber rattling against North Korea aren't drowning out the collusion stories that are coming out.
Trump won't make it much longer, there's just too much already in the open.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Whether that's a pee pee tape or some financial malfeasance it seems plausible that the guy who ends trump might not be Comey or some hot scoop from the Times, it could be Putin. What better way to further disgrace the US (and cause chaos).
Squinch
(50,955 posts)the surprise when they unite to obliterate Democracy forever.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Soviet Donald isn't Putin's puppet.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)Blue_Roses
(12,894 posts)anyway...
I do think Putin is evil and deceptive enough to humiliate Trump if or when the timing fits his (Putin) agenda.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Went to Russia with a suitcase of cash to pay hush money for a certain pee pee tape. I am sure after all this theater putin will be tRump`s BFF again, until the next payment is due.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)It's just Kabuki.
dmr
(28,347 posts)I'm sure he likes toying with Trump. Keep him on his toes, so to speak.
Putin's got a lot of pots in the fire around the globe, so he's not going to do anything that may backfire. There are elections to manipulate in his favor.
Greybnk48
(10,168 posts)Xolodno
(6,395 posts)From everything I've read, they helped Trump all the way until about September. They never expected him to win. The goal was to damage Clinton enough to where she would be entangled in domestic and party issues. Him winning wasn't what they were expecting, but I think its obvious they knew he wouldn't last long either. So they have been taking advantage while it lasts.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)awesomerwb
(139 posts)There's too much money to be made and to launder.
Russia needs the price of oil to go up. Lots of things cheeto is doing appears to be helping that. You pee on my back I pee on yours.
lanlady
(7,134 posts)and what we would call "all for show." I don't believe for a minute that Tillerson travelled all the way to Moscow just to get his ass handed to him so, well, bigly. It's unheard of for the Secretary of State of a new administration to fail so spectacularly on a major mission - and then to PUBLICIZE that failure to the entire world.
this was all done for Trump's benefit, so he could pretend that he is not really all that close to Putin. It's a ruse.