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If Putin is starting to turn on tRUMP.... (Original Post) jaxind Apr 2017 OP
I doubt it because he seems to be working hard to cover up Russia's involvement with assassinations. Kablooie Apr 2017 #1
Ha ha. These "tensions" are a giant charade.* FenwayDonkey Apr 2017 #2
Eventually world wide wally Apr 2017 #3
Putin benefits from a weakened Trump... Blanks Apr 2017 #4
There has never been a better tool to weaken the US than donald trump. Squinch Apr 2017 #6
Yeah, but this entire Trump/Russia thing... Blanks Apr 2017 #9
Pitting who against one another? What us are you referring to? Squinch Apr 2017 #11
American voters... Blanks Apr 2017 #13
but there are NOT two sets of facts . JI7 Apr 2017 #16
True... Blanks Apr 2017 #22
the trump supporters are liars JI7 Apr 2017 #26
The Trump 'news providers' are liars too... Blanks Apr 2017 #32
The divide between R and D is not a reason to sweep Putin's coup against the United States's Squinch Apr 2017 #18
Whoa... Blanks Apr 2017 #21
Maybe he's benefitting at this moment. mac56 Apr 2017 #23
I think he's trying to distract us... Blanks Apr 2017 #24
Which is why Act III of this play will feature a humiliation of Trump BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #10
Big secret I'm letting you in on: Putin is not turning on Trump. Shhhh. Don't tell. It'll ruin Squinch Apr 2017 #5
I think it's a deliberate attempt at distraction. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #7
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #12
Nope. This is a fake fight to throw the investigation off and make people think LaydeeBug Apr 2017 #8
i agree...its fake..then trump will come out as a hero for uniting the two countries. samnsara Apr 2017 #27
No, and who would believe him Blue_Roses Apr 2017 #14
I have been wondering if tillerson MyNameGoesHere Apr 2017 #15
it's all BS that anyone with sense can easily see JI7 Apr 2017 #17
He's not. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #19
No, it's theater. Putin's not turning, but dmr Apr 2017 #20
Fake news. They're in cahoots. n/t Greybnk48 Apr 2017 #25
That assumes Putin was in cahoots with Trump. He was actually using him. Xolodno Apr 2017 #28
They're all in together fun n serious Apr 2017 #29
IMO Putin will not turn on Trump awesomerwb Apr 2017 #30
the Russians call it "pokazukha" lanlady Apr 2017 #31

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
1. I doubt it because he seems to be working hard to cover up Russia's involvement with assassinations.
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

And I don't think he's doing it to help rump.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
3. Eventually
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 08:55 PM
Apr 2017

But I think he is still a useful idiot for the time. Being.
I would be careful of believing anything Putin and Trump want you to believe.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
4. Putin benefits from a weakened Trump...
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 08:56 PM
Apr 2017

There's no reason to believe that they're in this together.

Putin is trying to weaken the US, not be BFFs with Trump.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
11. Pitting who against one another? What us are you referring to?
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:07 PM
Apr 2017

Do you mean us Democrats? or us, the US and Russia, or another us?

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
13. American voters...
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:30 PM
Apr 2017

Republicans vs Democrats. We are so divided right now because we literally have 2 sets of facts.

At this point it would be difficult to impeach Trump because right wing news would claim he's innocent, even if all of the legitimate news sources had him dead to rights.

This is the best possible scenario for Putin, a weakened America.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
18. The divide between R and D is not a reason to sweep Putin's coup against the United States's
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:53 AM
Apr 2017

Democratic system under the rug.

The divide between R and D was there long before Trump sold the US to Putin.

Our behaving as if that coup is business as usual, our allowing it to fall OFF the front pages would be the best scenario for Putin.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
21. Whoa...
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:05 PM
Apr 2017

I didn't suggest that the Putin hacking story be swept under the rug.

I'm merely pointing out that it's win-win for Putin. If Trump is impeached, we are divided, if Trump is not impeached, we are divided.

Either way, we are weakened and Putin is stronger in the world. The last thing I'm suggesting is that we let them get away with it just so we will get along better.

No, the whole fiasco needs to be uncovered so we don't have to see this kind of thing again.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
24. I think he's trying to distract us...
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:11 PM
Apr 2017

But it's not sustainable.

These bombing raids and meetings with the Chinese and saber rattling against North Korea aren't drowning out the collusion stories that are coming out.

Trump won't make it much longer, there's just too much already in the open.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
10. Which is why Act III of this play will feature a humiliation of Trump
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:06 PM
Apr 2017

Whether that's a pee pee tape or some financial malfeasance it seems plausible that the guy who ends trump might not be Comey or some hot scoop from the Times, it could be Putin. What better way to further disgrace the US (and cause chaos).

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
5. Big secret I'm letting you in on: Putin is not turning on Trump. Shhhh. Don't tell. It'll ruin
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:01 PM
Apr 2017

the surprise when they unite to obliterate Democracy forever.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
8. Nope. This is a fake fight to throw the investigation off and make people think
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:04 PM
Apr 2017

Soviet Donald isn't Putin's puppet.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
14. No, and who would believe him
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:02 AM
Apr 2017

anyway...

I do think Putin is evil and deceptive enough to humiliate Trump if or when the timing fits his (Putin) agenda.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
15. I have been wondering if tillerson
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:54 AM
Apr 2017

Went to Russia with a suitcase of cash to pay hush money for a certain pee pee tape. I am sure after all this theater putin will be tRump`s BFF again, until the next payment is due.

dmr

(28,347 posts)
20. No, it's theater. Putin's not turning, but
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 09:16 AM
Apr 2017

I'm sure he likes toying with Trump. Keep him on his toes, so to speak.

Putin's got a lot of pots in the fire around the globe, so he's not going to do anything that may backfire. There are elections to manipulate in his favor.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
28. That assumes Putin was in cahoots with Trump. He was actually using him.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:46 PM
Apr 2017

From everything I've read, they helped Trump all the way until about September. They never expected him to win. The goal was to damage Clinton enough to where she would be entangled in domestic and party issues. Him winning wasn't what they were expecting, but I think its obvious they knew he wouldn't last long either. So they have been taking advantage while it lasts.

awesomerwb

(139 posts)
30. IMO Putin will not turn on Trump
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:06 PM
Apr 2017

There's too much money to be made and to launder.

Russia needs the price of oil to go up. Lots of things cheeto is doing appears to be helping that. You pee on my back I pee on yours.

lanlady

(7,134 posts)
31. the Russians call it "pokazukha"
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:08 PM
Apr 2017

and what we would call "all for show." I don't believe for a minute that Tillerson travelled all the way to Moscow just to get his ass handed to him so, well, bigly. It's unheard of for the Secretary of State of a new administration to fail so spectacularly on a major mission - and then to PUBLICIZE that failure to the entire world.

this was all done for Trump's benefit, so he could pretend that he is not really all that close to Putin. It's a ruse.

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