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Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:42 PM Apr 2017

Kansas Democrat James Thompsons 47 percent

You know the real reason why Republicans have all of the control that they have. When they lose an election but get 47% of the vote, they cheer. They cheer because they know that they're 3+ percentage points away from winning and the next election is just around the corner.

When Dems get 47% of the vote and lose, we despair. We sulk. We abandon the district entirely because "we just can't win there in that state".

The reality is that 47% of the voters in that deep red state and district voted for us, and all we do is bemoan the loss instead of embrace the hope that we can get that 3+% in 19 months.

Congrats to James Thompson and those that supported him. We've only just begun to fight.

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Kansas Democrat James Thompsons 47 percent (Original Post) Yavin4 Apr 2017 OP
You are correct, my dear Yavin4! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2017 #1
If a Republican received 47% in a cobalt blue district Jake Stern Apr 2017 #2
Mitt Romney got 47.2% of the 2012 vote. I don't recall many Republicans cheering. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #3
Apples to oranges comparison Yavin4 Apr 2017 #5
Try not to take Fox News' opinions seriously. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #7
The problem is not whether we take Fox Snooze opinions seriously Jake Stern Apr 2017 #14
The difference is that Presidential terms are 4 years ... JHan Apr 2017 #23
Preach it! bronxiteforever Apr 2017 #4
K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2017 #6
Great point .... we Dems have to start to play a little longer game NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #8
Thompson won in Sedgwick county - Wichita metro area tikka Apr 2017 #18
Absolutely hands down the best idea for approaching this red district that I've heard of yet. Foamfollower Apr 2017 #20
You're absolutely correct MrScorpio Apr 2017 #9
Yeah seriously given the normal lean of that seat it shouldn't of even been remotely competitive NYC Democrat Apr 2017 #10
That's the way Trump fools everyone! Honeycombe8 Apr 2017 #11
where is this bemoaning of which you speak? nt msongs Apr 2017 #12
I am sending money today for his (James Thompson) victory over this Estes jerk in 2018 turbinetree Apr 2017 #13
That pretty much sums up the DCCC KelleyKramer Apr 2017 #15
I hope this will preclude you from complaining about DCCC Donors and funding in the future. nt. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #16
You missed the point entirely KelleyKramer Apr 2017 #19
No, I didn't miss the point. You encouraged folks not to donate to them. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #21
I encouraged KelleyKramer Apr 2017 #24
Do you have a problem remembering things that you typed? SaschaHM Apr 2017 #25
you didn't answer the question KelleyKramer Apr 2017 #26
Ah, dodging. SaschaHM Apr 2017 #27
This was in my email, from Jim Dean: Danascot Apr 2017 #17
great post K & R JHan Apr 2017 #22
Kansas democrat Thompson Dink123 Apr 2017 #28
+1, I was going to OP this... the dems should be fist fighting EVERY FUCKING DISTRICT, COUNTY, SEAT uponit7771 Apr 2017 #29

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
1. You are correct, my dear Yavin4!
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:47 PM
Apr 2017

This is a victory and we should treat it as such.

Especially when you consider this is a deep red state. He accomplished a lot and now we must take advantage of that momentum and run with it.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
2. If a Republican received 47% in a cobalt blue district
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 09:58 PM
Apr 2017

they would have already been on teevee trumpeting it as a sign that liberal policies were unpopular.

Dems: it's okay to gloat once in a while, really.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
5. Apples to oranges comparison
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 10:22 PM
Apr 2017

You're comparing a national election to a deep red state congressional district. If a conservative Republican got 47% of the vote in San Francisco, CA, Fox News would be in our faces.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
14. The problem is not whether we take Fox Snooze opinions seriously
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:09 AM
Apr 2017

It's the millions of low information voters that do.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
23. The difference is that Presidential terms are 4 years ...
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:43 AM
Apr 2017

so they're longer, and different in scale, while congressional seats are smaller in scale, have shorter limits, thus a good metric of trends.

....Yavin's point stands, else they would be no point in being optimistic about red districts turning purple. Come on now.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
8. Great point .... we Dems have to start to play a little longer game
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 10:43 PM
Apr 2017

Hope the DNC is learning something from this

tikka

(762 posts)
18. Thompson won in Sedgwick county - Wichita metro area
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:36 AM
Apr 2017

The other counties all went red. The DNC needs to hammer those counties with ads about losing Social Security, Medicare and farm subsidies. Even farmers have mothers. Find a retired farmer's widow just getting by with her SS check and Medicare.

Seems like every time some child comes down with a disease that's costly to treat, Kansans always have a fundraising drive to help pay the bills. There has to be a way to reach them that there is a better way.

NYC Democrat

(295 posts)
10. Yeah seriously given the normal lean of that seat it shouldn't of even been remotely competitive
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:28 PM
Apr 2017

The fact that the RNC had to pump 100ks in towards the end to barely eke out a win is very telling as to how many districts are up for grabs next year.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. That's the way Trump fools everyone!
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:34 PM
Apr 2017

He always wins! Even if he loses, he won, in his world. And says so proudly. "I won...everyone says so!" When he lost debates, he declared, "Everyone's told me how great I did. That I won hands down. That I was the best!"

When he lost, he'd claim "It's rigged! Illegals were bused in to vote! I would have won, if the other side hadn't cheated!"

I imagine if you say it often enough, you begin to believe it. And so it should be for the Dems. I admit I'm guilty of despair at times. And that's not right.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
13. I am sending money today for his (James Thompson) victory over this Estes jerk in 2018
Wed Apr 12, 2017, 11:45 PM
Apr 2017

start now not tomorrow

Congratulation to Mr. Thompson and his team



KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
15. That pretty much sums up the DCCC
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:29 AM
Apr 2017

Don't ever give money to the DCCC, they will just flush it down the toilet

If you want to support democratic congressional candidates, give directly to the candidates campaign

KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
19. You missed the point entirely
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:20 AM
Apr 2017

I wasn't complaining at all about d3 donors

The problem is what the d3 does with the donations

The Steve Isreals and rhahm Emanuels of the d3 have been failures of epic proportions

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
21. No, I didn't miss the point. You encouraged folks not to donate to them.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:34 AM
Apr 2017

I assume that you will be shutting your trap about all DCCC matters now that you have encouraged others not to support them.

KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
24. I encouraged
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:44 AM
Apr 2017

I encouraged people to contribute directly to Democratic candidates for congress.

Do you have a problem with that?

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
25. Do you have a problem remembering things that you typed?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:46 AM
Apr 2017
Don't ever give money to the DCCC, they will just flush it down the toilet


KelleyKramer

(8,969 posts)
26. you didn't answer the question
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:04 AM
Apr 2017

Do you have a problem with contributing to Democratic candidates for Congress?

That's it I'm done with this

Have a good day

Danascot

(4,690 posts)
17. This was in my email, from Jim Dean:
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:34 AM
Apr 2017

This is stunning: Thanks in part to heroic work by DFA members like you, progressive populist James Thompson came within a few percentage points of beating his Republican opponent in a deep-red Kansas district that Donald Trump won by 27 points.

It's an amazing result. Even though we didn't take the seat, this outcome is still a turning point for progressives. Kansas's fourth district was considered to be one of the most challenging places in the country for Democrats to win. But we came closer than anyone ever expected here. That means we can win in dozens of other red and purple districts across America.

DFA members never gave up on a state like Kansas. You helped make more than 287,000 GOTV calls and donated tens of thousands of dollars to elect James Thompson. But much of the Democratic establishment didn't even bother to show up. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee sat on their hands until literally the day before the election -- while the progressive grassroots turned out voters, built up momentum and nearly won a major upset.

Unfortunately, Kansas's Fourth district isn't the only House race the DCCC has decided in advance that they won't try to win.

DFA-endorsed candidate Rob Quist is in a tight race to pick up a House seat in Montana this May. He's running a great, populist campaign focused on fixing the economy and lifting up working families, but the DCCC and other major Democratic Party institutions are also sitting his race out.

We proved in Kansas we have a shot at winning by running populist, progressive candidates who fight for everyone and for our values. With the Montana election a month away, now is the time to organize. Can you help build on the grassroots progressive momentum we saw in Kansas by signing up to make calls for Rob Quist?

Yes -- I'll pledge to make calls for Rob Quist to help progressive populists pick off this winnable GOP House seat.

No, I can't make calls, but I'll chip in $3 or more right now to build Rob Quist's campaign and help DFA support progressive populist candidates in all 50 states.

The lessons here are clear. We beat Republicans when we run on our values, not away from them. We listen to voters when they tell us what they care about. We organize early, and build for the long haul.

The fact that a pro-choice, pro-LGBT, Bernie-supporting, populist civil rights attorney like James Thompson was able to make HUGE gains in Kansas this quickly is proof that there is growing momentum for real progressive change in the era of Trump, even in places where establishment Democrats have given up.

But Democrats are competing -- and winning -- in Montana already. On the same election night that Montanans voted for Trump, they also re-elected their Democratic governor. And that was before Trump's awful policies activated millions of grassroots progressives and swing voters alike. By supporting Montana progressives, we can help win a huge victory.

Rob Quist is building a strong campaign in Montana. He's a popular musician with a long history of public service. He supports Medicare for All and he opposes Citizens United. He has been holding listening sessions and rallies in counties all over Montana, and his message is clearly resonating. His opponent is one of the Republicans' weakest recruits -- a New Jersey tech billionaire and perennial failed candidate who lost in November to a Democratic governor even as Trump won the state.

Last night, we shocked the political establishment -- and sent a message to Donald Trump -- by making huge gains in a deep red Kansas House district. Now, let's shock them by putting Rob Quist over the top in Montana. Can you sign up to make calls?

Yes -- I'll pledge to make calls to help progressive populist Rob Quist win his House special election.

No, I can't make calls, but I will pitch in $3 or more today to Rob Quist and DFA to fuel this progressive momentum -- and to score a big win in Montana.

Thanks for helping DFA fight and win in all 50 states!

- Jim

Jim Dean, Chair
Democracy for America
 

Dink123

(14 posts)
28. Kansas democrat Thompson
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:12 AM
Apr 2017

Where the fuck was the DNC or any of our party leadership to help Thompson in Kansas? Have we learned nothing? A half a million dollars would have gone a long way. Leadership didn't even give the guy money for mailers. Where was the 50 state strategy? Fuck the moral victories,we need to win the seats.Fight with grassroots support. Only Bernie seems to know how to fight these bastards.Perez,where the hell were you?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
29. +1, I was going to OP this... the dems should be fist fighting EVERY FUCKING DISTRICT, COUNTY, SEAT
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:25 AM
Apr 2017

... and board !!!

I sulked not because of 47 % ... I sulked because there wasn't an infrastructure there ALREADY !!!

WTF ?!

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