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Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 07:50 AM Apr 2017

Protests against Dana Schutz painting of Emmett Till

White Artist’s Painting of Emmett Till at Whitney Biennial Draws Protests

The open-coffin photographs of the mutilated body of Emmett Till, the teenager who was lynched by two white men in Mississippi in 1955, served as a catalyst for the civil rights movement and have remained an open wound in American society since they were first published in Jet magazine and The Chicago Defender at the urging of Till’s mother.

The images’ continuing power, more than 60 years later, to speak about race and violence is being demonstrated once again in protests that have arisen online and at the newly opened Whitney Biennial over the decision of a white artist, Dana Schutz, to make a painting based on the photographs.

An African-American artist, Parker Bright, has conducted peaceful protests in front of the painting since Friday, positioning himself, sometimes with a few other protesters, in front of the work to partly block its view. He has engaged museum visitors in discussions about the painting while wearing a T-shirt with the words “Black Death Spectacle” on the back. Another protester, Hannah Black, a British-born black artist and writer working in Berlin, has written a letter to the biennial’s curators, Mia Locks and Christopher Y. Lew, urging that the painting be not only removed from the show but also destroyed.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/arts/design/painting-of-emmett-till-at-whitney-biennial-draws-protests.html?emc=edit_th_20170322&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=33386653&_r=0

I have a real issue with this. Firstly surely the whole point of art is that the message comes from the creation not from the creator. If this had been a painting by an African American artist, no protest would have occured, its purely based on the ethnicity of the artist. Secondly, even if people had an issue with where the painting was being displayed, or it being included in a particular event, the idea of calling for art to be destroyed just repulses me. It's no different than calling for a book to be burned in my mind.

Am I missing something?
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Protests against Dana Schutz painting of Emmett Till (Original Post) Kentonio Apr 2017 OP
You're not missing anything, methinks. ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #1
Art? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #2
Why shouldn't she do it? Kentonio Apr 2017 #3
And "Piss Christ"? nt ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #4
Unless there's something I'm missing about the painting itself, I dont see the disrespect angle Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #7
I don't see it as disrespectful. As another poster has already pointed out, Mamie Till insisted Arkansas Granny Apr 2017 #14
By that logic, Christians shouldnt make movies about the Holocaust. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #5
Correct.. whathehell Apr 2017 #18
JMO get the red out Apr 2017 #6
Artistic expression has no race. Don't like it, don't view it. grossproffit Apr 2017 #8
You are probably right but it seems exploitative to me. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #9
She should respect the wishes of his family, first and foremost. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #10
How is it exploitative? Kentonio Apr 2017 #12
That was her choice... the mothers...I just don't Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #16
No-one will buy it. Kentonio Apr 2017 #17
It's an abstract painting.. whathehell Apr 2017 #19
IDK about exploitative myself. Ligyron Apr 2017 #15
Who took the original photos of Emmit Till in his coffin? trc Apr 2017 #11
Is what happened to Emmett Till, and the racism that exists in America, being overshadowed by this? still_one Apr 2017 #13
I would really doubt that. n/t whathehell Apr 2017 #20

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
2. Art?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:11 AM
Apr 2017

Disrespectful...in my opinion.sure she has the right maybe but that doesn't mean she should do it.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
3. Why shouldn't she do it?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:16 AM
Apr 2017

And why is it disrespectful? She's a mother empathizing with the loss of another, and respecting the bravery of Mamie Till who insisted on the casket being open at the funeral. Why should she be required to be African American to feel that empathy or reference that subject matter?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
7. Unless there's something I'm missing about the painting itself, I dont see the disrespect angle
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:34 AM
Apr 2017

i mean, was Picasso actually in Guernica while it was being bombed? No. He painted it as a statement about an atrocity.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
14. I don't see it as disrespectful. As another poster has already pointed out, Mamie Till insisted
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:54 AM
Apr 2017

that the world see what racism and hatred had done to her son. This is a message that is as important today as it was in 1955. The message is what's important, not the race of the artist.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
6. JMO
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:32 AM
Apr 2017

I think it was poor judgement for a white artist to choose this as a project. I am not saying it should be destroyed, or that she doesn't have the right.

I am white, so I am sure I am posting from a complete lack of understanding, but it seems to me that a white person expressing the intense wounds others have endured from despicable racism is not the best thing to do.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
9. You are probably right but it seems exploitative to me.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:41 AM
Apr 2017

I would not like to see my loved in a coffin...and it causes racial division as well at a time we don't need that. As I said she has the right to paint anything she wants...but should she? I will not see it. I would not support this sort of thing.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. She should respect the wishes of his family, first and foremost.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:46 AM
Apr 2017

But I would say that no matter the race of the artist.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
12. How is it exploitative?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:52 AM
Apr 2017

Till's mother specifically demanded that the real coffin by open so that the world could see the terrible crime that had been committed. Even all these years later the pictures are a deeply powerful and disturbing reminder of the sickness in society that was allowed to exist. I'm not sure how suddenly a painting suddenly becomes divisive in that context.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
16. That was her choice... the mothers...I just don't
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 09:47 AM
Apr 2017

think it is respectful to the family to use their loved on in this way...to make money. Some things should just not be done...but the artist has what she wants and will no doubt make a good deal of money. Do you think maybe a KKK type will buy the painting...to remember 'the good old days'.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
19. It's an abstract painting..
Mon Apr 24, 2017, 11:54 AM
Apr 2017

To most, it's not even recognizable as to subject matter. Most abstract painters (as opposed to commercial painters) are not "in it for the money". They'd starve if they were.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
15. IDK about exploitative myself.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:58 AM
Apr 2017

She's apparently in demand as an artist and has no problem selling her paintings.

trc

(823 posts)
11. Who took the original photos of Emmit Till in his coffin?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 08:49 AM
Apr 2017

Does the power those pictures possess and the feelings they bring forth diminish if the original photographer was white? Are they more intense, more personal, more real if the photographer was black? Is there no commonality to the human experience that we can all feel horror at what is truly horrible?

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