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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGUARDIAN: FBI Now Has "specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion" - Guardian source.
There are now multiple investigations going on in Washington into Trump campaign officials and Russia. They include the FBI-led counter-espionage investigation and probes by both the House and Senate intelligence committees.
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One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion, the source said. This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
Lets say it one more time and let it sink in:
..specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion . between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/13/1652829/-FBI-has-specific-concrete-and-corroborative-evidence-of-collusion-Guardian-source
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)Who's gonna rat on Trump to keep outta prison?
Carter Page seems like he'd fold pretty quick.
Manafort might be more stubborn.
Flynn is just nuts.
I think there are a bunch who will jump at the first offer. There is no loyalty in Trump world outside of family. These fools are going to go down for Trump. Carter Page would be on the top of my list.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)Conway, Carson (depending on what he knew), Ghouliani, Page
Manafort turns up in the same airport with Snowden
Mars and Minerva
(369 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)And I predict the one that will lead the way is someone no one is mentioning: Woolsey - former CIA Director who was part of the Trump Transition and abruptly resigned/quit in January. I think he was a double agent and insider who will tell much about not just Russia, but about Turkey and so much more.
I also think there will be the "unexpected" cooperative witnesses such as bankers and accountants...
It's coming...and it's going to be much bigger and involving many more people than one can imagine. I also believe that Pence, Ryan, McConnell and others in GOP are going down.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)He was at the meeting where they discussed kidnapping the Turkish dissident
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I believe on that matter and many more to come...
Woolsey knows a lot and came through for the Intelligence Community and will be a very important witness. I knew that the moment I heard he resigned.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)WOW!!! WOW,WOW!
Wish I had your optimism. This would be the best outcome EVER to these tragic treasonous events. They have colluded with a foreign power to gain some control in our government.
What bodies decide all of this? Congress, the courts, or both? Congress decides impeachment but removing the others and prosecuting their collusive crimes?
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Never lose hope...
But it's not just hope...it's a feeling and the sincere belief on my part that the reason the FBI and other agencies and investigations that are taking their sweet time not because of laziness, but because the size of the group of complicity runs so deep and they are going to make it stick. That it's letting itself run the long game and get as many fish and letting them hang themselves in the net.
And I believe in truth and good prevailing in the end...
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)... makes us wonder where all the bodies are buried?
Maybe the Wikileaks guy will get a conscience and start releasing all the stuff he has.
You know he has a lot of it already.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Wiki has been named as Russian intelligence. He was fed shit by the Russians.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)I love all the news leaking out and being ferreted out by dogged journalists, but until someone is indicted and put on trial, it is just a tease. I am also tired of hearing this will take time. Meanwhile tRump and his gang of thugs and thieves continue to destroy this country. We don't have YEARS to let this play out. I understand that a case has to be built in order to convict, but if you know a criminal (or you reasonably presume to be a criminal) is on the loose, continuing to commit crimes, do you just let them keep going?
The investigating agencies have been gathering information for many months and continue at this moment from what we are told. I just hope they are protecting the information they have gathered because tRump knows they are on him and his gang so you can be sure they are busy covering their tracks. I just hope the agencies got the goods on them long ago and now are just solidifying their case.
How much longer do we have to tolerate an obvious crook and fraud as our President???
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)I bet they have enough to charge drumph already. He has a long history of dubious dealings.
There will be lengthy behind the scenes deal cutiing you can bet.
The GOP will want to minimize penalties.
Look out for PARDONS that have absolutely no merit.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)That is correct, and since they have been "investigating" this since 2015, you would think that some heads would be rolling by now...they seem to have the proof, are they now trying to find proofs against the proofs?
This is as disgusting as it gets, and in the mean time you have these horrendous people passing laws that affect us all...like Devos with the student loans...disgusting!!!
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)By this madmans machinations ability to use his power to unleash evil on American people and the world. Lock them up. Traitors. We are going to let traitors ruin our country to give oligarchs more money? . He wasn't elected. They stole it through crookedness and collusion with the Russians,. Round them all up and lock them up until they go to trial.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Make no mistake, I will party!
C Moon
(12,213 posts)stole the words right out of my mouth. Tired of being patient and hanging onto hope. Time to see the meat behind this fool's actions.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Everything we are seeing is theater.
This is when deals are being made for power.
There is no guarantee that ANYONE will be brought to justice - as long as those with the cards get what they want.
The FBI, CIA, etc all work for the 1% - if they can use this to get trump to do their bidding and be their puppet (duh) - anything is possible.
The wrinkle is that trump is also PUTIN's puppet.
So many puppet masters - so little puppet to go around....
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)Have enough evidence to convict and they don't want to srrest too soon. because they could lose a conviction if they act prematurely
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)It's certainly a tried and true technique for both sides.
jpak
(41,758 posts)MOAB!!!!!11111
calimary
(81,304 posts)QUICK!!! Everybody!!! Breaking News!!! Everybody LOOK OVER THERE!!!!!!!!
judy
(1,942 posts)How many people were killed in this huge explosion?
I feel sick...
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Baconator
(1,459 posts)... the reality of Afghanistan.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but I guess that wasn't this bomb, since supposedly it was dropped on a cave complex
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Trump needs a 911and quick.
triron
(22,006 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)as well, it could explain why certain people in the House and Senate have stonewalled an investigation.
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)There has been ample smoke to make that seem likely.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)That could be enough to warrant Trump dropping the Mother of all Bombs on Afghanistan. God help us.
calimary
(81,304 posts)The timing cannot be ignored.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)when he tweeted bizarre crap as a diversion from his many scandals. Playing with bombs instead is scary and could be addictive for him.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Vinca
(50,276 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)Remember this?
He will die in jail: Intelligence community ready to go nuclear on Trump, senior source says
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/he-will-die-in-jail-intelligence-community-ready-to-go-nuclear-on-trump-senior-source-says/
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)"go nuclear" literally.
Botany
(70,516 posts)... Bannon/Cambridge Analytica.
It was a coup and we had treason.
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Show us what you got.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)The idiot-in-chief will respond by doing something typically moronic like issuing a pardon. That would make this all start to move much faster and more effectively.
Me.
(35,454 posts)'Nough said.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)tiptonic
(765 posts)All together, can we all say 'Benedict Donald' ?
Voltaire2
(13,061 posts)Expect a major distraction deflection any moment.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)*looks at watch*
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)who will do nothing. No prosecutor, no charges. End of story.
That's assuming Comey (who gave us Donald) even decides to pursue charges.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)It takes a few honest people to make this happen. Are there any honest Republicans left anywhere?
underpants
(182,826 posts)Bannon probably knows about all this stuff so dumping him now could be a disaster. It may be why he was brought into the campaign to start with.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)of Trump getting impeached by his own REPUBLICAN party? Probably still sim to none.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)'Trump says: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you'll be able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you'll probably be rewarded mightilyy by our press. Let's see if that happens. That will be next.
They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted
I hope they do
because you'd see some beauties there."'
http://russiatrumpcollusion.com/trumpinvolve.html
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)There's no way he could ever have known his staff was doing anything illegal and no possibility he could have done anything about it.
He will set the record straight, you can be sure of that.
So don't look over there, look at all the pretty bombs he's dropping.
It's so presidential that it takes your breath away.
Tired of winning yet?
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)How could he NOT know what was going on when being the #2 man in power within the circle. This actually goes for all members of this traitors cabinet. We see the leaks coming out and you can't tell me that a lot of this didn't leak to Pence (as we have already seen). Maybe that's why all this seems to go on and on. They are digging pretty deep. Hopefully that is to tie up ALL loose ends and make the case not only all inclusive, but airtight as well.
I hope I''m not just being overly optimistic.
shraby
(21,946 posts)take him as v.p.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)I sure hope they are digging deep. I am sure there are plenty of nuggets hidden under the surface here.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)IIRC, he was about to choose Chris Christy for veep when they staged a fake airplane repair - to prevent him from leaving town that night. I'm not sure if he was leaving to meet up with Christy or if they kept him there to meet with Pence. Either way, he was convinced to change his pick to Pence.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)the world" - I don't dispute that - and I so agree when you point out they are digging deep and they MUST dot every i/cross every t when this case is finally presented.
And financial entanglements alone (from buzzfeed:
http://freedomdawning.org/docs/TrumpWorldDataPublic.xls) are a mind melter, not to mention any tapes, audio or visual, computer data, who-was-where-and-when information - - it's gonna take time, hateful as that suggestion is - I'm "hearing" today that it won't be much longer, but as usual, I know nothing, so am keeping the faith as best I can!!
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)NewDealProgressive
(98 posts)Just how far will he go to distract from this? What kind of crises will he manufacture to keep from being held accountable here?
That's what worries me most about this.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Is the dog wagging?
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)I have a brother in law that was air force intelligence. His take, the IC is a very closely knit group, protecting each other at all costs. They have to!! Or they may be the next one floating in the river. He said they will not let go of an enemy, especially one as dirty as drumpf.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)and right. Hell, they could end up triggering a nuclear holocaust while the FBI twiddles their thumbs! Get this illegal clown and his entire crew out of office, NOW!
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)triron
(22,006 posts)Takket
(21,575 posts)Give the GOP an ultimatum........... release the report and impeach Trump, or we will release the report and humiliate you in front of the entire world.
I'm sure they know everything the FBI knows, if not more.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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TommyCelt
(838 posts)but...bombs.
#weaponsofmassdistraction
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Impeach them and lock THEM up! I want to see the Mother of perp walks.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Unless, of course, The Commander-in-Distraction starts a nuclear war and becomes target number one.
Link to tweet
The fact that other government have the evidence allows that evidence to clear some durable obstacles for US intelligence, restrictions on releasing secret information.
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