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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:49 PM Apr 2017

GUARDIAN: FBI Now Has "specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion" - Guardian source.

There are now multiple investigations going on in Washington into Trump campaign officials and Russia. They include the FBI-led counter-espionage investigation and probes by both the House and Senate intelligence committees.

[…………...]

One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said. “This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia


Let’s say it one more time and let it sink in:

“..specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion…. between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/13/1652829/-FBI-has-specific-concrete-and-corroborative-evidence-of-collusion-Guardian-source
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GUARDIAN: FBI Now Has "specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion" - Guardian source. (Original Post) kpete Apr 2017 OP
... JHan Apr 2017 #1
So... who's it gonna be? C_U_L8R Apr 2017 #2
Oh PatSeg Apr 2017 #25
Flynn first rpannier Apr 2017 #35
I would love to see Conway swing (metaphorically) Mars and Minerva Apr 2017 #58
They all will be willing to sing to save themselves - but I think few will be given blanket immunity Pachamama Apr 2017 #52
Yes, didn't Woolsey bust Flynn? flamingdem Apr 2017 #54
Exactly Pachamama Apr 2017 #57
This is a reason I continue to love DU tavalon Apr 2017 #75
"Ryan, McConnell and others in GOP are going down." Duppers Apr 2017 #63
Hope Springs Eternal Pachamama Apr 2017 #64
Some are already talking FakeNoose Apr 2017 #68
There is no wikileakes guy anymore only a Russian puppet. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #80
So when do we get to see the perp walk? Grammy23 Apr 2017 #3
They are stalling in the hope we will tire of the waiting. BSdetect Apr 2017 #7
"but until someone is indicted and put on trial, it is just a tease." Perseus Apr 2017 #12
I totally agree. While they investigate the country and people are getting hurt notdarkyet Apr 2017 #13
I need to know so I can plan a party... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #22
:D C Moon Apr 2017 #45
+1 berksdem Apr 2017 #24
teasing and scheming Locrian Apr 2017 #34
Well in every real crime show I've seen they wait until they Maraya1969 Apr 2017 #46
BOOM!!!! Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #4
Is this why Trump dropped the MOAB today? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #5
Big Bombs for Big Problems tavalon Apr 2017 #76
but...but...but... jpak Apr 2017 #6
SHINY-OBJECT ALERT!!! calimary Apr 2017 #10
Expensive redirection... judy Apr 2017 #29
I know... if they dropped it in an urban area, that's got to be a warcrime Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #42
I wonder how your definition of an "urban area" compares to ... Baconator Apr 2017 #53
well, there was a picture of a city with an explosion... which is what I was referring to Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #67
My first thought was he's doing this to set off ISIS (or whatever they're called now). C Moon Apr 2017 #47
Bombshell! Hope Rachel talks about this tonite. triron Apr 2017 #8
Dang. Talk about burying the lede. That is literally from the last paragraph of the article. n/t yodermon Apr 2017 #9
someone told me that the most important part of most articles are always found at the very end Fast Walker 52 Apr 2017 #44
I personally wonder if there was also collusion with Russia by certain people in Congress cstanleytech Apr 2017 #11
I'd put a wager on that, too Cosmocat Apr 2017 #69
Well then PatSeg Apr 2017 #14
Yep. Can't help but looking at the MOAB drop as just another SHINY-OBJECT ALERT!!! calimary Apr 2017 #18
I liked it better PatSeg Apr 2017 #21
+ 1,000 suffragette Apr 2017 #49
This must end with perp walks not pardons. Vinca Apr 2017 #15
Excellent. Achilleaze Apr 2017 #16
Hmmm... remember that quote from within the intel community calimary Apr 2017 #17
So he could be taking PatSeg Apr 2017 #23
My guess is this has to do w/the computer that was in Trumps HQ that was put there by .... Botany Apr 2017 #19
Bring it on, mofos! kentuck Apr 2017 #20
My hope is that if someone relatively minor gets charged Kentonio Apr 2017 #26
The message was: Watch out. Theres something not right here. Me. Apr 2017 #27
then lets do something to get him out of office before he launches a nuke and kills a few billion NightWatcher Apr 2017 #28
All together tiptonic Apr 2017 #30
Benghazi! Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #31
*taps foot* retrowire Apr 2017 #32
Beautiful chocolate cake Miles Archer Apr 2017 #33
So they'll give that evidence to DAG Rosenstein (a Trump apointy) briv1016 Apr 2017 #36
Sadly, my thoughts too. Duppers Apr 2017 #65
Aside from the Russians controlling him, Bannon has him by the__\s underpants Apr 2017 #37
Oh, please...please...please be true! n/t SpankMe Apr 2017 #38
It's Roger Stone. He's talked about contacts with Guccifer 2.0 and Wikileaks (Assange). Zen Democrat Apr 2017 #39
I wonder what the percentage would be of the chances yuiyoshida Apr 2017 #40
I brought extra butter and salt for the popcorn. Want some? Hekate Apr 2017 #41
when will they release the CONTENT of those contacts? That is what matters most yurbud Apr 2017 #43
July 27 right from the horse's mouth bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #48
No matter what happens you KNOW it won't be Trump's fault. Kablooie Apr 2017 #50
Before we go any further with speculation about Pence, someone explain to me how he isn't complicit world wide wally Apr 2017 #51
I read recently that Pence was picked by Manafort and Manafort urged the donald to shraby Apr 2017 #55
And that just scratches the surface. world wide wally Apr 2017 #56
I remember when that happened. Control-Z Apr 2017 #61
A tweet a few weeks back pointed out that this is "the biggest crime in the history of Leghorn21 Apr 2017 #59
Only NOW ??? nt OnDoutside Apr 2017 #60
Will this fucking idiot drop a nuke as the noose tightens? NewDealProgressive Apr 2017 #62
Hence MOAB JCMach1 Apr 2017 #66
I have confidence the IC will take him out Thekaspervote Apr 2017 #70
Can they hurry the f*ck up and charge them? TrumpCo is dropping bombs left ecstatic Apr 2017 #71
"He will die in jail." JTFrog Apr 2017 #72
Rachel did a great job on this. triron Apr 2017 #73
The Brits need to save us from ourselves Takket Apr 2017 #74
K & R L. Coyote Apr 2017 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #78
Yes, but... TommyCelt Apr 2017 #79
Book 'em Dano colsohlibgal Apr 2017 #81
"He will die in jail." That is a lot easier to believe today than one month ago. L. Coyote Apr 2017 #82
Fake News!!! Lil Missy Apr 2017 #83

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
2. So... who's it gonna be?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 12:56 PM
Apr 2017

Who's gonna rat on Trump to keep outta prison?
Carter Page seems like he'd fold pretty quick.
Manafort might be more stubborn.
Flynn is just nuts.



PatSeg

(47,496 posts)
25. Oh
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:58 PM
Apr 2017

I think there are a bunch who will jump at the first offer. There is no loyalty in Trump world outside of family. These fools are going to go down for Trump. Carter Page would be on the top of my list.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
35. Flynn first
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:34 PM
Apr 2017

Conway, Carson (depending on what he knew), Ghouliani, Page
Manafort turns up in the same airport with Snowden

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
52. They all will be willing to sing to save themselves - but I think few will be given blanket immunity
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:34 PM
Apr 2017

And I predict the one that will lead the way is someone no one is mentioning: Woolsey - former CIA Director who was part of the Trump Transition and abruptly resigned/quit in January. I think he was a double agent and insider who will tell much about not just Russia, but about Turkey and so much more.

I also think there will be the "unexpected" cooperative witnesses such as bankers and accountants...

It's coming...and it's going to be much bigger and involving many more people than one can imagine. I also believe that Pence, Ryan, McConnell and others in GOP are going down.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
54. Yes, didn't Woolsey bust Flynn?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:41 PM
Apr 2017

He was at the meeting where they discussed kidnapping the Turkish dissident

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
57. Exactly
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

I believe on that matter and many more to come...

Woolsey knows a lot and came through for the Intelligence Community and will be a very important witness. I knew that the moment I heard he resigned.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
63. "Ryan, McConnell and others in GOP are going down."
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:39 PM
Apr 2017

WOW!!! WOW,WOW!

Wish I had your optimism. This would be the best outcome EVER to these tragic treasonous events. They have colluded with a foreign power to gain some control in our government.

What bodies decide all of this? Congress, the courts, or both? Congress decides impeachment but removing the others and prosecuting their collusive crimes?







Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
64. Hope Springs Eternal
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:48 PM
Apr 2017

Never lose hope...

But it's not just hope...it's a feeling and the sincere belief on my part that the reason the FBI and other agencies and investigations that are taking their sweet time not because of laziness, but because the size of the group of complicity runs so deep and they are going to make it stick. That it's letting itself run the long game and get as many fish and letting them hang themselves in the net.

And I believe in truth and good prevailing in the end...

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
68. Some are already talking
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:28 PM
Apr 2017

... makes us wonder where all the bodies are buried?

Maybe the Wikileaks guy will get a conscience and start releasing all the stuff he has.
You know he has a lot of it already.



Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
80. There is no wikileakes guy anymore only a Russian puppet.
Fri Apr 14, 2017, 09:45 AM
Apr 2017

Wiki has been named as Russian intelligence. He was fed shit by the Russians.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
3. So when do we get to see the perp walk?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:10 PM
Apr 2017

I love all the news leaking out and being ferreted out by dogged journalists, but until someone is indicted and put on trial, it is just a tease. I am also tired of hearing this will take time. Meanwhile tRump and his gang of thugs and thieves continue to destroy this country. We don't have YEARS to let this play out. I understand that a case has to be built in order to convict, but if you know a criminal (or you reasonably presume to be a criminal) is on the loose, continuing to commit crimes, do you just let them keep going?

The investigating agencies have been gathering information for many months and continue at this moment from what we are told. I just hope they are protecting the information they have gathered because tRump knows they are on him and his gang so you can be sure they are busy covering their tracks. I just hope the agencies got the goods on them long ago and now are just solidifying their case.

How much longer do we have to tolerate an obvious crook and fraud as our President???

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
7. They are stalling in the hope we will tire of the waiting.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:20 PM
Apr 2017

I bet they have enough to charge drumph already. He has a long history of dubious dealings.

There will be lengthy behind the scenes deal cutiing you can bet.

The GOP will want to minimize penalties.

Look out for PARDONS that have absolutely no merit.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
12. "but until someone is indicted and put on trial, it is just a tease."
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:30 PM
Apr 2017

That is correct, and since they have been "investigating" this since 2015, you would think that some heads would be rolling by now...they seem to have the proof, are they now trying to find proofs against the proofs?

This is as disgusting as it gets, and in the mean time you have these horrendous people passing laws that affect us all...like Devos with the student loans...disgusting!!!

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
13. I totally agree. While they investigate the country and people are getting hurt
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:31 PM
Apr 2017

By this madmans machinations ability to use his power to unleash evil on American people and the world. Lock them up. Traitors. We are going to let traitors ruin our country to give oligarchs more money? . He wasn't elected. They stole it through crookedness and collusion with the Russians,. Round them all up and lock them up until they go to trial.

berksdem

(595 posts)
24. +1
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:54 PM
Apr 2017

stole the words right out of my mouth. Tired of being patient and hanging onto hope. Time to see the meat behind this fool's actions.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
34. teasing and scheming
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:29 PM
Apr 2017

Everything we are seeing is theater.
This is when deals are being made for power.
There is no guarantee that ANYONE will be brought to justice - as long as those with the cards get what they want.

The FBI, CIA, etc all work for the 1% - if they can use this to get trump to do their bidding and be their puppet (duh) - anything is possible.

The wrinkle is that trump is also PUTIN's puppet.

So many puppet masters - so little puppet to go around....

Maraya1969

(22,482 posts)
46. Well in every real crime show I've seen they wait until they
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:08 PM
Apr 2017

Have enough evidence to convict and they don't want to srrest too soon. because they could lose a conviction if they act prematurely

calimary

(81,304 posts)
10. SHINY-OBJECT ALERT!!!
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:29 PM
Apr 2017

QUICK!!! Everybody!!! Breaking News!!! Everybody LOOK OVER THERE!!!!!!!!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
67. well, there was a picture of a city with an explosion... which is what I was referring to
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 05:10 PM
Apr 2017

but I guess that wasn't this bomb, since supposedly it was dropped on a cave complex

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
47. My first thought was he's doing this to set off ISIS (or whatever they're called now).
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:10 PM
Apr 2017

Trump needs a 911—and quick.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
11. I personally wonder if there was also collusion with Russia by certain people in Congress
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:29 PM
Apr 2017

as well, it could explain why certain people in the House and Senate have stonewalled an investigation.

PatSeg

(47,496 posts)
14. Well then
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:33 PM
Apr 2017

That could be enough to warrant Trump dropping the Mother of all Bombs on Afghanistan. God help us.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
18. Yep. Can't help but looking at the MOAB drop as just another SHINY-OBJECT ALERT!!!
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:36 PM
Apr 2017

The timing cannot be ignored.

PatSeg

(47,496 posts)
21. I liked it better
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:44 PM
Apr 2017

when he tweeted bizarre crap as a diversion from his many scandals. Playing with bombs instead is scary and could be addictive for him.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
17. Hmmm... remember that quote from within the intel community
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:35 PM
Apr 2017

Remember this?

‘He will die in jail’: Intelligence community ready to ‘go nuclear’ on Trump, senior source says
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/he-will-die-in-jail-intelligence-community-ready-to-go-nuclear-on-trump-senior-source-says/

Botany

(70,516 posts)
19. My guess is this has to do w/the computer that was in Trumps HQ that was put there by ....
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:36 PM
Apr 2017

... Bannon/Cambridge Analytica.

It was a coup and we had treason.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
26. My hope is that if someone relatively minor gets charged
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 01:58 PM
Apr 2017

The idiot-in-chief will respond by doing something typically moronic like issuing a pardon. That would make this all start to move much faster and more effectively.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
36. So they'll give that evidence to DAG Rosenstein (a Trump apointy)
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:35 PM
Apr 2017

who will do nothing. No prosecutor, no charges. End of story.

That's assuming Comey (who gave us Donald) even decides to pursue charges.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
65. Sadly, my thoughts too.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:50 PM
Apr 2017

It takes a few honest people to make this happen. Are there any honest Republicans left anywhere?


underpants

(182,826 posts)
37. Aside from the Russians controlling him, Bannon has him by the__\s
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:37 PM
Apr 2017

Bannon probably knows about all this stuff so dumping him now could be a disaster. It may be why he was brought into the campaign to start with.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
40. I wonder what the percentage would be of the chances
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 02:52 PM
Apr 2017

of Trump getting impeached by his own REPUBLICAN party? Probably still sim to none.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
48. July 27 right from the horse's mouth
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:11 PM
Apr 2017

'Trump says: "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you'll be able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you'll probably be rewarded mightilyy by our press. Let's see if that happens. That will be next. … They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted … I hope they do … because you'd see some beauties there."'

http://russiatrumpcollusion.com/trumpinvolve.html

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
50. No matter what happens you KNOW it won't be Trump's fault.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:21 PM
Apr 2017

There's no way he could ever have known his staff was doing anything illegal and no possibility he could have done anything about it.
He will set the record straight, you can be sure of that.

So don't look over there, look at all the pretty bombs he's dropping.
It's so presidential that it takes your breath away.

Tired of winning yet?




world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
51. Before we go any further with speculation about Pence, someone explain to me how he isn't complicit
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:32 PM
Apr 2017

How could he NOT know what was going on when being the #2 man in power within the circle. This actually goes for all members of this traitors cabinet. We see the leaks coming out and you can't tell me that a lot of this didn't leak to Pence (as we have already seen). Maybe that's why all this seems to go on and on. They are digging pretty deep. Hopefully that is to tie up ALL loose ends and make the case not only all inclusive, but airtight as well.

I hope I''m not just being overly optimistic.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
56. And that just scratches the surface.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

I sure hope they are digging deep. I am sure there are plenty of nuggets hidden under the surface here.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
61. I remember when that happened.
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:08 PM
Apr 2017

IIRC, he was about to choose Chris Christy for veep when they staged a fake airplane repair - to prevent him from leaving town that night. I'm not sure if he was leaving to meet up with Christy or if they kept him there to meet with Pence. Either way, he was convinced to change his pick to Pence.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
59. A tweet a few weeks back pointed out that this is "the biggest crime in the history of
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 03:51 PM
Apr 2017

the world" - I don't dispute that - and I so agree when you point out they are digging deep and they MUST dot every i/cross every t when this case is finally presented.

And financial entanglements alone (from buzzfeed:
http://freedomdawning.org/docs/TrumpWorldDataPublic.xls) are a mind melter, not to mention any tapes, audio or visual, computer data, who-was-where-and-when information - - it's gonna take time, hateful as that suggestion is - I'm "hearing" today that it won't be much longer, but as usual, I know nothing, so am keeping the faith as best I can!!

62. Will this fucking idiot drop a nuke as the noose tightens?
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 04:37 PM
Apr 2017

Just how far will he go to distract from this? What kind of crises will he manufacture to keep from being held accountable here?

That's what worries me most about this.

Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)
70. I have confidence the IC will take him out
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 11:12 PM
Apr 2017

I have a brother in law that was air force intelligence. His take, the IC is a very closely knit group, protecting each other at all costs. They have to!! Or they may be the next one floating in the river. He said they will not let go of an enemy, especially one as dirty as drumpf.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
71. Can they hurry the f*ck up and charge them? TrumpCo is dropping bombs left
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 11:20 PM
Apr 2017

and right. Hell, they could end up triggering a nuclear holocaust while the FBI twiddles their thumbs! Get this illegal clown and his entire crew out of office, NOW!

Takket

(21,575 posts)
74. The Brits need to save us from ourselves
Thu Apr 13, 2017, 11:31 PM
Apr 2017

Give the GOP an ultimatum........... release the report and impeach Trump, or we will release the report and humiliate you in front of the entire world.

I'm sure they know everything the FBI knows, if not more.

Response to kpete (Original post)

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
82. "He will die in jail." That is a lot easier to believe today than one month ago.
Fri Apr 14, 2017, 10:24 AM
Apr 2017

Unless, of course, The Commander-in-Distraction starts a nuclear war and becomes target number one.




The fact that other government have the evidence allows that evidence to clear some durable obstacles for US intelligence, restrictions on releasing secret information.






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