Holy MOAB, Seven Allies Have Trump-Russia Smoking Gun Evidence

[L. Coyote]

Distraction anyone?

7 Allies Just Came Forward With Trump-Russia Smoking Gun Evidence
By Colin Taylor - April 13, 2017

A bombshell report by the Guardian has just revealed that our European allies had discovered secret communications between Donald Trump’s campaign team and agents of the Russian Federation as far back as 2015.

But most importantly, the Guardian reveals that through the cooperation with our allies, US officials have discovered “specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion… This is between people in the Trump campaign and agents of [Russian] influence relating to the use of hacked material.”

British spy agency GCHQ, the “principal whistle-blower,” first discovered the communications between Trump’s team and the Russians as a part of their routine monitoring operations. Further evidence was gathered and passed on to the United States by intelligence agencies from Germany, Estonia, Poland, Australia, the Netherlands, and France.

Despite what Trump has falsely claimed, none of these countries were targeting him specifically for monitoring. His team members brought this on themselves when they began communicating with Russians who were already being monitored as part of routine counterintelligence operations.

Former GCHQ chief Sir Richard Dearlove remarked on Thursday ...........

[Demtexan]

1. Everybody spys on Russia.

If our government does nothing about Thump other countries will.
The threats are to real.
Now the bombing president in the white house.
Talk about leaks.
How about newspapers and tv and the internet.

[murielm99]

2. I am hoping that the other countries

will band together and do something about Russia. And I hope they close ranks against trump and contain him. Let him do the least amount of damage possible. There is nothing he can do about that. His tiny hands would be tied.

[dchill]

3. Destruction as distraction.

The Republican party gives a standing ovation. So does the media.

[Demtexan]

9. Yep

Now they bomb the desert.

Got to test that bomb.

The white house folks must be really scared right now.

They really trying to start a war.

[calimary]

25. Welcome to DU, Demtexan!

First thing I thought was - they're REALLY trying to start a distraction!

Everything on the news this (Thursday) morning was all about Carter Page, and the ridiculous interview - well, ANOTHER ridiculous interview - this time with George Stephanopoulos.

And then, all of a sudden, BOOM! BOMB! BIG BOMB! Or maybe it should be BIGLY BOMB. Or BOMB BIGLY? Whatever.

Well, gee - what happened to the Carter Page stuff? (IE: trump/Russia)? Bye-bye. Bombed away.

Frankly, at the moment, I don't give a rat's ass about ANY bomb. NOTHING is gonna distract me from trump/Russia.

[Demtexan]

27. Bombing will not work now.

Thump is scared.

The whole bunch is.

Other countries have the info also.

If it gets bad enough they will leak it in a bigly way.

Carter Page is trying to save his skin.

Putin is not happy right now.

I think Page is speaking to try to just keep alive.

Dead men tell no tales.

[FakeNoose]

74. Putin isn't scared, and he has nothing to be worried about

...He's accomplished exactly what he set out to do. He's as happy as a pig in shit.

Whatever our FBI has on Putin will destroy our government but it won't do anything to Putin.
I'm sure you must realize that.

I hope this destroys the GOP for good.

[Demtexan]

75. Me to.

I think there will be people voting for the GOP.

[jmg257]

4. It'll be interesting to find out which trump team members these were...seems the ones we are used to

hearing about joined months after.

[mopinko]

6. paul manafort.

the original traitor.

[bathroommonkey76]

11. Manafort registering as a foreign agent the other day should give you a clue of one of those people.

[NewRedDawn]

13. Little Greasy Slimy Donnie Jr.

You will find is in it up to his Vaseline matted hair. As well as Trumpski's shyster Attorney Cohen.

[L. Coyote]

32. No doubt the list grew fast once they were listening to one of them. This is what upset Nunes I bet.

Nunes was part of the transition and likely was swept up too, along with Trump. Interesting how the Trump campaign involved the chairs of intelligence committee's in the transition, potentially compromising the very people in charge of oversight investigations. Clever criminality!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Those amateurs thought they could conduct international treason without being noticed.

Thought they could sell out the United States of America and laugh all the way to the 0.5% bank with their 0.5% Rosneft cut (about $230 million).

[lostnfound]

16. If they start WW3, there will be so much chaos, they can get away with the con.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. That is not the plan. It might be part of Bannon's plan; he's that lunatic. . . nt

[Honeycombe8]

7. Well, what IS it????? Inquiring minds want to know! nt

[L. Coyote]

17. This is also why inquiring minds read the article linked in the OP.

Bottom line:

[Honeycombe8]

71. As I asked...."What IS the evidence of collusion (specifically)?"

What IS the evidence? If a phone conversation, WHAT was said in that conversation?

All these intimations of "we have evidence" means something...but if a person is leaking, go ahead and really leak the information. Not the CONCLUSION of the evidence.

[Demtexan]

8. I am sure the other countries are being careful.

I bet they have info they are keeping quiet.

I would.

I bet they are sitting on some explosive info.

They may not trust our FBI or CIA.

[zentrum]

10. That it's British makes...

.....me think of the Steele memo. So hope this one comes out.

If he's impeached---and his coup delegitimized, is it too late to undo the Gorsuch seating? I guess once sworn in, it's a done deal?

If 45 just steps down, I'm pretty sure Gorsuch will remain. The Dems didn't fight for Gore in 2000 and in general, seem unwilling to make the system reveal itself as so fragile. So I doubt they'd fight to unseat Goresuch.

[stillcool]

14. Gore's lawyers chose his approach to

the Florida State governments election laws, and the Supreme Court made the final decision. What did the Democratic party have to do with Florida elections?

[zentrum]

33. The Dems should have...

....allowed Gore to fight for a hand recount in Florida which is what he wanted.

Instead Democratic leadership pressured him to concede.

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/dec/13/news/mn-64863

You can only imagine how this would have been fought out if the shoe had been on the foot of the other party.

The Dems said they couldn't risk having the general population lose trust in the election process.

Ha!

History would be very different if they had fought. And even if doomed, they should have been perceived as fighting.

[stillcool]

39. I don't remember it that way...

Florida stopped the recount, Florida certified the election, and the Supreme Court gave Florida to Bush. Gore chose which counties to recount, rather than a state-wide recount. Florida was done. Other states where the vote totals were close may have been an option, but at that point?

[zentrum]

43. Right. But My point

.....is that Gore could have fought. Used the media, rallied the base. He conceded under pressure from leadership.

The majority of Democratic voters desperately wanted him to fight. Or at least to go down fighting like hell. By demanding a full hand recount.

Not disputing that the SC gave the selection to Bush. But as I remember 2000, there was a huge controversy among Dems about what the Dems should do.

If it had been the Republicans they'd have made a gigantic issue of it---and the Dems were seen as giving up too soon.

[flying_wahini]

52. I couldn't agree more... still sore at Gore not fighting for it.

Not so much at him personally but the Dems not showing any spine. As usual.

[LongTomH]

12. This is significant - from one of the links in the article:

British spies were first to spot Trump Team links with Russia

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

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The Guardian has been told the FBI and the CIA were slow to appreciate the extensive nature of contacts between Trump’s team and Moscow ahead of the US election. This was in part due to US law that prohibits US agencies from examining the private communications of American citizens without warrants. “They are trained not to do this,” the source stressed.

“It looks like the [US] agencies were asleep,” the source added. “They [the European agencies] were saying: ‘There are contacts going on between people close to Mr Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.’

even worse.......

In late August and September Brennan gave a series of classified briefings to the Gang of Eight, the top-ranking Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and Senate. He told them the agency had evidence the Kremlin might be trying to help Trump to win the presidency, the New York Times reported.

[malaise]

15. I want them all in prison

along with the ReTHUG leadership at all levels who were in on this

[Equinox Moon]

18. How much did Obama know?

Why did he not tell us?

[stevenleser]

21. AFAIK He had strong suspicions, but not conclusive evidence.

And he was wary of being seen as trying to influence the election. Trump and the Republicans would have said "show us the evidence" and there wasn't any firm evidence yet, the investigation Was in its early stages.. It likely would have backfired.

[red dog 1]

66. "there wasn't any firm evidence yet" at that time, however,

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there WAS "firm evidence" by Dec.14, 2016, when 54 Electoral College electors signed a letter asking for an intelligence briefing on the Trump-Russia connection, and Obama said "No!'

Why didn't he allow the Electors to be briefed on such an important matter?

By the end of November, 2016, there was evidence that Russia, a foreign adversary, had "tampered" with the 2016 U.S. presidential election,,,which Obama, if he chose to, could have labeled as "an act of war" and he could have even postponed the Electoral College vote, pending the outcome of the FBI investigation that was still going on.

Those 54 electors WANTED to know what the facts were regarding Russia's hacking into the very foundation of this country's democratic processes...i.e. the US elections.

Barack Obama could have prevented Donald Trump from becoming POTUS, or at least postponed the Electoral College vote....but he chose NOT to...period!

[stevenleser]

72. And your evidence of this is what exactly? nt

[red dog 1]

82. I was wrong about the number of electors who asked DNI Director for intelligence briefing

I had thought it was more than 60 electors who signed the letter asking DNI Director James Clapper for an intelligence briefing before the Electoral College was to meet on Dec. 19.
However, the actual number was 54 electors who wanted the Intel. briefing.

I stand by everything else I stated in my reply.

Obama COULD HAVE ALLOWED those 54 electors to have some sort of intelligence briefing on what was then known about Russia's hacking & other interference in the presidential election,
BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO ALLOW THE 54 ELECTORS TO BE BRIEFED.

It was President Obama's decision not to allow the electors to be briefed, not Clapper.

Do you think that such a monumentally important decision was left up to James Clapper to decide?

Of course not, it was Obama who made that decision, not Clapper.

(From 12/14/2016)
"Over 50 Dem electors now demanding intelligence briefing"
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/310316-over-50-dem-electors-sign-letter-calling-for-intelligence-briefing

(From 12/16.2016)
"No intel briefing for electors, DNI says"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/16/politics/no-intel-briefing-for-electors-dni-says/

[politicaljunkie41910]

81. There were people here on DU who told those of us who thought something was up and wanted a recount

that we were wasting our time when we were. Even though we didn't know exactly what had happened we knew something was amiss and we weren't ready to throw in the towel so easily, and wanted to challenge the results. As the talk turned to collusion on the part of the Trump campaign and the Russians, that was even more reason to delay certifying the election results, but many here kept condemning those of us who wanted to fight on as stupid and wishful thinking. Had we had known, at a minimum, what Comey knew then, I doubt that the majority of us here would have stopped fighting to challenge the results and the certification of the election results.

[L. Coyote]

24. Hillary told us.

Clinton camp says FBI should say what it knows about Trump's Russia ties
Wednesday, 2 Nov 2016

Clinton wants FBI to disclose any ties between Trump and Russia
Wednesday, 2 Nov 2016 | 7:03 AM ET | 00:34

A top aide to Hillary Clinton urged the FBI on Tuesday to disclose what it knows about any ties between Donald Trump and Russia, accusing the agency of unfairly publicizing its inquiry into Clinton's email practices while staying quiet about the Republican presidential candidate.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation opened a preliminary inquiry in recent months into allegations that Trump or his associates might have had questionable dealings with Russian people or businesses, but found no evidence to warrant opening a full investigation, according to sources familiar with the matter. The agency has not publicly discussed the probe.

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Hillary Clinton says potential collusion between Trump camp and Russia should be probed
Katie Little - 6 Apr 2017

Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton slammed Russia's meddling in the U.S. presidential election, describing it as an "act of aggression" meant to influence the election, and said potential collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians should be looked at.

"I am deeply concerned about what went on with Russia," she said, adding that she favors an independent non-partisan investigation into the hacking.

Clinton spoke at the Women in the World conference in New York City on Thursday. The conference marks the first time that Clinton has answered interview questions publicly since losing the presidential election in November to Donald Trump.

The FBI is currently investigating Moscow's efforts to interfere in the election ............

[Worktodo]

62. Payback for stuxnet?

After watching that film Zero Days I wonder.

[L. Coyote]

20. Louise Mensch: My story was correct and it will form the basis of Donald Trump's impeachment.

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[flamingdem]

26. I remember when she reported this

She mentioned the Brit Govt Communications agency that Rachel mentions tonight.

[L. Coyote]

30. Posted on DU election morning a few hours before the hack, was going viral - 18,060 views

FBI has FISA warrant for Trump secret server connected to Russia.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512604434

[R B Garr]

37. Wow! That is incredible. What a shame we were denied

this vital information.

[jmowreader]

36. GCHQ is the British NSA, not a "communications agency"

[flamingdem]

38. I know, but this is how it is described officially

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/Official site of the UK Government Communications Headquarters

[benld74]

22. Unless GOP does something it means nothing

[briv1016]

35. They could have a video of Donald and Vlad talking about commiting election fraud

and the GOP would still do nothing. No prosecutor, no charges. End of story.

[waddirum]

41. I guess it's going to take the piss party video

to get him impeached. That video has to be in many hands. Someone should leak it in time for Easter Sunday.

[oasis]

23. Rachel going over this tonight. 6:00 pacific

[Doodley]

28. It couldn't be more obvious that his bombs are a deliberate distraction. What next?

[L. Coyote]

31. More chocolate cake?

[VigilantG]

34. Leon Panetta said it best

"There are no good options here."

When we all are nuked, it won't matter what's next. And the blended Russian mob family of Trump will be safe and sound in Moscow.

And as we are nuked, Trump will probably call for martial law to be imposed, just for 💩 and giggles.

I pray that our military defies Trump's order of a preemptive strike on North Korea and orchestrates a coup on this Russian Administration.

[oasis]

29. K and R

[CousinIT]

40. OK. So the question is: WHO is going to DO ANYTHING about all this?

Certainly the Republicans have entirely abdicated their oversight role in regards to TRUMP and his team of kleptocrats so without them to hold impeachment hearings and no charges filed (and even if there were Republicans would claim they are politically motivated by Democrats). So...WHAT?

[L. Coyote]

42. The majority of either Congress or the Supreme Court.

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Gorsuch would have to recuse himself if Trump's election were being rescinded.

[L. Coyote]

44. People investigating Trump's collusion ... hurry the fuck up before he starts World War III

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[womanofthehills]

73. Malcolm Nance appears to be backing up all the Giuliani stuff

but sounds like more time needed for arrests.

[burrowowl]

45. K&R!!!!!!

[sellitman]

46. I have some free time later

Please use it to Impeach Cheeto Face before he starts WW3.

Thanks

[Orrex]

47. In the face of this damning evidence, maybe the GOP will finally...

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reopen the Benghazi investigation once and for all.

[BigOleDummy]

48. lol

Afraid that's too close to home for comfort but funny as hell!

[Vinca]

49. All I can say is "perp walks not pardons."

Maybe we should make bumper stickers.

[L. Coyote]

55. "He will die in jail." That is a lot easier to believe today than one month ago.

Unless, of course, he starts a nuclear war and becomes target number one.

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The fact that other government have the evidence allows that evidence to clear some durable obstacles for US intelligence, restrictions on releasing secret information.

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[L. Coyote]

50. Commander-in-distraction drops gigantic bomb on Afghanistan - IMPEACHMENT LEVEL SMOKING GUN'

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/trump-dubbed-commander-in-distraction/news-story/eeb8338ee5ff340b0b0bc7ecda876b78

AFTER the US dropped the “mother of all bombs” targeting an Islamic State complex in Afghanistan, many were left scratching their heads about the timing.

Tensions are escalating fast, with North Korea threatening nuclear action, China amassing troops at its border, and America accused of an “act of war” over a missile strike on Syria in retaliation to last week’s chemical attack.

Yet Donald Trump has chosen this moment to detonate the largest non-nuclear bomb ever deployed in combat. Is there more to this than meets the eye?

‘IMPEACHMENT LEVEL SMOKING GUN’

A dramatic theory has emerged that the US President is trying to draw attention away from the news the FBI has “impeachment-level smoking gun” evidence of his long-suspected collusion with Russia in the lead-up to the election.

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[spanone]

51. all the media is concerned with is bombs bombs bombs...they love it!!!!

[Wednesdays]

53. Is there even a whiff of this on the morning news shows?

[L. Coyote]

54. Meanwhile, it is being reported elsewhere. Morning news shows just diminish their own relevancy.

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And this happened, an admission by Carter page about collusion.

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[L. Coyote]

56. House Dems Seek Suspension Of Kushners Security Clearance

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[EL34x4]

61. Let's remove the least batshit crazy person from Trump's inner circle.

Stop it, House Democrats. You're breaking Bannon's heart.

[SHRED]

57. Wake me up when something is done about this

[SHRED]

58. Sounds like U.S. Intelligence Community was asleep at the wheel

Frightening revelation.

[L. Coyote]

59. Don't expect them to phone you and share top secret or classified material.

They tend to keep a lid on what they are doing for obvious reasons, to be able to do investigations without compromising their own efforts.

The beauty of the fact foreign governments collected this intel is that we may circumvent the restrictions to use of classified materials in prosecutions.

In case you missed this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8930639

[L. Coyote]

60. UPI: European spy agencies gave #TrumpRussia intelligence to U.S.

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[lark]

63. We know about Manafort, Carter Page.

I'm just hoping they caught Sessions and Flynn on tape colluding. Even better would be Eddie Munster, McTurtle, Nunes and Chaffetz, Don Dr., Eric, Ivanka, Jared and Guiliani possibly. Every one of them should be impeached/removed from office and jailed for colluding with a foreign power to steal an American election, if we have the proof. I am just getting way impatient. Is the FBI dragging it's feet so Repugs have time to implement their agenda first, or are they truly doing this huge investigation that includes criminal activities by drumpfs as well? If so, it's time to get shit or get off the pot. they say they have proof, then bring it forward, announce it and file charges.

[L. Coyote]

64. MADDOW: British Intel Spotted Donald Trump Camp Russia Ties

[L. Coyote]

65. Trump borrowed money from Russia during 2008 financial crisis

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[red dog 1]

67. President Barack Obama could have taken actions to prevent Trump from becoming POTUS,

but he chose not to!
(See reply # 66)

Also, apart from this topic (Trump-Russia connection), President Obama could have made better choices on a couple of election-related issues:

1) He could have chosen someone better than James Comey to head the FBI.
Were it not for Comey's Oct. 28, 2016 letter to GOP Congressional leaders erroneously stating that "more Hillary Clinton emails had been discovered," her 11 to 14 point lead over Trump would not have vanished, and she would have defeated Trump on November 8th.

2) He could have contacted HRC after the election results were in that night (11/8) to "advise" her to NOT concede the election yet, pending the outcome of ongoing FBI investigation into the Russian hacking, which, at that point, may well have included hacking into the 2016 presidential election itself...
So,what did he do instead?
He called HRC around 2 or 3 AM on Nov. 9, 2016 to advise her to concede the election, despite the fact that votes were still coming in from the West Coast & Hawaii, and despite the fact that even at that point she was more than a million votes ahead of trump in the popular vote.

In my opinion, as a Democrat who voted for Obama THREE times,(once in the '08 primary and twice in his presidential elections) he "owes an explanation to the American people" for his actions!


(K&R, thanks for posting)

[L. Coyote]

68. At least 15 Manafort-linked bank accounts in Cyprus investigated for possible money laundering.

Were the Russian mobsters paying for Trump's campaign too?

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[L. Coyote]

69. Trump owes $300 million to bank involved in global money laundering scheme led by Russian criminals

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[L. Coyote]

70. BOOM: Hungary/Gorka's Role in Collusion Between Trump Campaign & Russian Secret Service

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[Kablooie]

76. That's nice but the only thing that matters is whether the evidence will take Trump down.

Almost certainly some underlings will will be thrown under the proverbial bus but will that be enough to chop off the head?

More to the point will it be enough to get the Republicans to chop off the head?

My guess is no.
Unless they release video of Trump clearly implicating himself in a Russian overthrow of the election so that it can't be denied, I predict he will get off scot free and remain president. All of his staff may be thrown in prison but he will remain protected by the Republicans.

[L. Coyote]

77. Four ways Jared Kushner can modernize government: Quit. Resign. Disappear. Plead Guilty.

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[L. Coyote]

78. "He lied and his security clearance should be revoked."

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[L. Coyote]

79. Why Surveillance of Carter Page Is Such a Bombshell

Why Surveillance of Carter Page Is Such a Bombshell
You don’t get slapped with a FISA warrant unless the court thinks you could be the agent of a foreign power.
Elias Groll April 12, 2017

Why Surveillance of Carter Page Is Such a Bombshell

Carter Page, a former foreign-policy adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, reportedly was targeted for surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, an extraordinary revelation that — if true — suggests Page may have been working as an agent on behalf of a foreign power.

The report late Tuesday in the Washington Post provided the first concrete evidence linking Page to Russian intelligence at the time when he was working on the Trump campaign. Page, a former investment banker who lived and worked in Moscow from 2004 to 2007, was a target of a Russian intelligence recruitment operation in New York in 2013, court documents show — before the Trump presidential campaign was operational.

“He flies to Moscow more often than I do,” one alleged Russian spy said then of Page, according to court documents. .................

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[L. Coyote]

80. Why Would Jeff Sessions Hide His Talks with Sergey Kislyak?

Why Would Jeff Sessions Hide His Talks with Sergey Kislyak?
By Ryan Lizza March 3, 2017

In the first weeks of the Obama Administration, Michael McFaul, the President’s top aide on Russia policy at the National Security Council, found himself in a contentious negotiation with Sergey Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador to the United States. McFaul, a political scientist at Stanford who focused on democracy promotion, was in his first government job. Kislyak, who is thirteen years older, was one of Russia’s most experienced diplomats. “He expected that I was going to be this neocon hawk on Russia,” McFaul told me. “And so he had his dukes up. He was ready for a fight.”

Obama had inherited a plan for an aggressive missile-defense system for Eastern Europe that was a major irritant to Moscow. Kislyak, who studied physics, was an expert on arms control, and explained that the system was not solely defensive, as the Bush Administration had insisted. A radar system to be deployed in the Czech Republic was of particular concern to Kislyak.

“I was the new guy, so I was willing to listen,” McFaul, who later became Obama’s Ambassador to Russia, said. “He was lecturing me about the dual capabilities of that radar and that it had capabilities against Russia. And I said, ‘That’s news to me.’ And he said, ‘Well, you need to learn.’ ”

..........something about their contacts with Kislyak that caused both Flynn and Sessions to conceal them. McFaul, while cautioning against overreacting, said that the amount of contact was unusual, more than he had in 2008, as an Obama adviser. But the denial of contact was even more unusual. “Why are they being so deceptive about it?” McFaul asked. “That makes no sense to me at all.”

[L. Coyote]

83. #TrumpRussia is about Trump campaign colluding w/ Russia to steal the opposition's data/emails

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