We may not have to wait much longer.

[GliderGuider]

The leaks are getting louder. Maybe the whining on this board will quiet down soon.

The FBI leak about Carter Page being on a FISA warrant may have been a warning to conspirators who want to make a deal to do so now, before the arrests begin next week.

Intel sources: first big arrests in Donald Trump’s Russia scandal could come next week

Rudy Giuliani has tried to make a deal, but Comey told him he's not needed, so fuck off. Couldn't happen to a nicer ghoul.

Sources: Rudy Giuliani wants to flip on Donald Trump, but FBI doesn’t need him to make the case

Yeah, yeah, I know - the Palmer Report. So sue me. But at least click through his links first.

[Bettie]

1. They could have him on video

talking to Putin about making the US a vassal state of Russia and we'd still have to wait for the DOJ (under Sessions) or a Repubicon congress to do something.

IN other words, it doesn't matter because they will bury or ignore it all.

Then, he'll be a "war president" after he starts one and we'll be expected to rally 'round his orange ass.

I won't. Ever.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Persist. Even a RepubliCON CONgress would dump tRump the second he becomes a liability.

The time is fast approaching.

The problem McCONnell, Ryan and now Nunes face is that they are very likely complicit in the treasonous takeover and/or the coverup.

Ryan may escape. McConnell may be in too deep to untar himself. Nunes was a fool and thought he could stop the whole thing.

[EL34x4]

110. No Congressional Republican who wishes to be re-elcted will want their name attached...

...to anything responsible for removing Trump from office.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

112. They will. tRump started as the Minority President and his minority keeps getting smaller.

tRump is more and more a liability except in a few hard core districts.

[ck4829]

100. They are already accessories to this

[malaise]

2. You mean the man who would be Secretary of State?

Please please please

[randome]

3. IF this reaches as high as Trump so far as concrete evidence is involved...

...the FBI may be working out how precisely they arrest him or pull him in for questioning without causing greater harm to the country or encouraging partisan fights that distract everyone.

That may have been part of the delay, as well.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[GliderGuider]

4. Yes, a corrupt president beholden to an enemy superpower is a very big deal

They would want to be sure of their moves, which takes time.

There's nothing to be gained by catching little fish and letting the big ones swim away with the country.

[randome]

5. But there are so MANY fish!

Thank God they don't think like a shark and take out the nearest morsel.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[pangaia]

39. OH CROSS ALL MY FINGERs and toes.....and too much caps lock and

glad to see you posting here again,
maybe I missed you but I see your post on FB.
And I hope I hope...

The general who ordered that bomb was interviewed on,., maybe NPr ? and said he/they had permission to use it even going back to Pres O... so who knows if the fuckwad ordered it,,, no-nothing me would doubt, but...

yes yes yes, she said yes, yes...,, oh let MY attorney general succeed and bring these shits ...
down that is all. over and out....

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

30. Your signature...

... I watched that movie in fascination as a kid, I have never forgotten that line.

[randome]

37. Maybe a bit cheesy for our times but beautiful, nonetheless.

[Hamlette]

33. Can a President pardon himself?

I know you can sue a president civilly while he is in office, so I'm not sure why you couldn't bring criminal charges against him. But couldn't he just pardon himself?

His base would LOVE it.

[randome]

38. I keep seeing that question posted over and over.

I forget the rationale but the consensus seems to be 'No', he can't.

[tritsofme]

117. I don't think there is any such consensus.

The Constitution does not specifically prohibit a "self pardon" the only restriction is that the power does apply to impeachment.

The courts have been historically hesitant to question the president's pardon power or its scope.

[pangaia]

40. I don't know but he can fuck himself in the ass as far as I am concerned...

[Kentonio]

71. No-one knows basically

The constitution is worded in such a way that it isn't actually prohibited, so even if the SC ruled against it you'd still have an argument ongoing.

[stevenleser]

83. The pardon wouldn't affect impeachment in any case

only whether he could be prosecuted afterward.

[Samantha]

92. Nixon considered doing exactly that

Gerald Ford talked him into resigning to avoid impeachment and then he (Ford) pardoned him.

Sam

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Yes you highlight a key facet of the delay. . . nt

[NastyRiffraff]

75. A sitting president can't be arrested

He has to be impeached first. It'll be a long process but I think eventually we'll get him.

[jodymarie aimee]

6. Palmer

for a source...... is like me going down the hall in my HUD bldg. and posting what 84 year old Maxine said. Palmer got us all jazzed up RE:Recount and what came of that? All he does is post real progressive WISH LIST stuff....he has been debunked MANY times here.

I want to believe it as much as you do, but recount, nope....electoral college, nope.....dare I say, FAKE NEWS...

[grantcart]

27. Not interested in Palmer but am interested in what Maxine said.

She has more credibility.

[jodymarie aimee]

47. too funny..

I made her cupcakes and she God Blessed me.....Easter, you know....

[womanofthehills]

68. Palmer is not fake news - he sources everything he writes and the sources are in blue

It's not Palmer's fault that nothing came of the recount. Trump's lawyers put stops to the recounts. Palmer was just reporting about it.

He's a reporter who basically finds info and posts it before main stream media.

[LovingA2andMI]

89. Palmer Report....

A Reporter???

[Hoyt]

7. Not that Palmer Report again. I know we all want to get these thieves, but . . . . n/t

[GliderGuider]

8. So sue me.

[Hoyt]

9. Don't care to sue anyone for anything, but jeez.

[GliderGuider]

10. I'm a big fan of Louise Mensch too...

[womanofthehills]

59. I'm a fan of Louise Mensch, Palmer and Jester.

Jester weighed in on this too.

JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL³³º¹‏ @th3j35t3r Apr 13
Replying to @th3j35t3r

#ONTHEWIRE Rudy 'Cyberman' Giuliani is apparently in a legal quagmire and is desperate to 'make a deal'. Comey isn't interested.

[GliderGuider]

70. Thanks. I saw that go by earlier today, it gave me a big ol' grin.

[Native]

106. don't forget Schindler!

[Mad-in-Mo]

11. I hope the arrests do begin next week.

If we are all still around next week.

[GliderGuider]

12. Yes, there is that little problem! nt

[Demsrule86]

21. This Korea thing is terrifying.

[pangaia]

41. If fuckwad DOES order something rash I sure hope like hell somebody in the military

just refuses to do it....

[Demsrule86]

96. I hope so too.

[womanofthehills]

81. Malcolm Nance tweeted the arrests might take a little longer but sounds like the Rudy thing is true

Malcolm was on Randi's show yesterday.

[gilpo]

13. Beware of those promising Fitzmas gifts nt

[GliderGuider]

17. The intel community wasn't involved with Fitzmas.

It wasn't an international crime ring.

[gilpo]

26. True, and I hope you are right

Been disappointed too many times

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. Valerie Plame was central to the story and was a member of the Intel Community. . . nt

[stevenleser]

123. She was one agent. She was not "the intel community" nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. We have been hearing this stuff for how long now?

Since last November?

I do hope something comes of it all, but I seriously doubt it will. This is one of those times when I hope I am so wrong that I am all but hounded off DU.

[GliderGuider]

16. Actually, we haven't been hearing these sorts of leaks until last week. nt

[Demsrule86]

19. I have not heard any such leaks until now...this post.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

35. We've been hearing lots and lots of things

about a Russian connection, about various members of Trump's election team meeting with Russian officials, about supposed videos of "golden showers". Yes, these specifics are different, but somehow nothing has made any difference in any important way.

I'm quite cynical about all this. And keep in mind, it's still at the level of rumor: Unnamed intel sources, unnamed not otherwise identified sources. Not until we see actual documents and indictments should we place any faith in this stuff.

[womanofthehills]

55. But the Guardian Article just came out a few days ago

saying British intelligence can be backed up by many countries . Rachel said there seemed to be some intel competition - who was the best.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

56. I hope something actually comes of this.

But we've been down this road before.

[Demsrule86]

97. hopefully much of it is true.

I know the FBI is investigating and Carter Paige has a FISA warrant and we all know about Flynn and Sessions. Now we have reliable information that it began in 15...I think Trump is going down.

[Demsrule86]

18. I hope this is completely true...

I would be doing the happy dance everywhere and embarrassing the hell out of my kids...a two for...

[TeamPooka]

20. You click through the links of that garbage website. I'll pass.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. I'll wait for a more solid source.

"palmer report" isn't exactly the WaPo.

[melman]

23. Not a legit source

[Cary]

24. Of.course they are incentivizing.

This is how they operate.

[aeromanKC]

25. Rudy in Orange for Treason

Now THAT would be Champagne worthy!!

[riversedge]

57. and a good bottle at that!

[Botany]

119. And wasn't Rudy working w/Eric Prince?

n/t

[DK504]

28. "Rudy Giuliani has tried to make a deal, but Comey told him he's not needed, so fuck off. "

Please God, let Ghouliani get popped for his part in all this. No deals for traitors. If they don't "need him" they are going to issue arrest warrants.

[SCVDem]

44. Gitmo is still open

Maybe this is a good reason.

Treaon means hard time or death.

I'm a Marine veteran and have zero tolerance for this shit!

[Cracklin Charlie]

78. My husband...

Has been calling Trump's Florida resort "Guantan-a-Lago" since inauguration.

Air Force One could easily just fly over and let him parachute down to his new cell in the Caribbean.

Then, fly AFOne back to Washington, after stopping in New York to pick up the real President.

[C Moon]

29. No wonder Trump is bullying N. Korea. What's Trump going to say next...

"If anyone in North Korea even SAYS the word Nuclear, I'll attack."
The fracker is looking to start war ASAP.

[TheBlackAdder]

31. That means that Trump needs to start a war with DPRK beforehand! War is immanent folks!

[oberliner]

42. This is why the Palmer Report is such garbage

Using a tweet from "JΞSŦΞR ✪ ΔCŦUAL" as some sort of news source.

[Worktodo]

46. Yes that's gotten out of hand

Especially on Mench's twitter feed (which is entertaining don't get me wrong). Reminds me of the science fiction trope where someone says some gibberish and the next person says "oh gawd!" and breathily repeats the gibberish.

"We've lost the shields!"
"My Gahhhwddd, WE'VE LOST THE SHIELDS!!"

I also don't like that she's claiming to have scooped every news story with her twitter feed: "The Guardian is now reporting what I tweeted about yesterday" and leaves out "but with actual journalism, writing, and less hyperbole."

[oberliner]

53. It's like the LW version of Cernovich

Very annoying.

[womanofthehills]

84. Guardian seems to think Mensch can get scoops no other journalist can

Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties

However, it seems increasingly clear that Mensch landed an extraordinary scoop that had eluded the best investigative journalists in the US. Her explanation is that her vocal advocacy on behalf of UK and US intelligence agencies since former NSA contractor Edward Snowden’s revelations about mass surveillance led her sources to trust her

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop

[Worktodo]

87. That was a good read

Thank you. That's a good writeup that clarifies a lot about her and where she's coming from on twitter.

[Worktodo]

91. Ok and I've read some more about her

And now I remember her from the phone hacking scandal in UK as well.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/louise-mensch-donald-trump-politics

And also her Wikipedia page. I don't know what to make of her.

[womanofthehills]

62. Actually, Jester has been pretty informative

and Mensch has been right on this month. He sure seems to have good knowledge of what's going on with the military.

[oberliner]

64. But it's not reporting

He should maybe interview that person instead of just sourcing tweets.

[womanofthehills]

67. Actually, CNN money investigative reporter Jose Pagliery finds Jester very interesting

I think we need every source we can get and pro American hackers are good.

Meet the vigilante who hacks jihadists by Jose Pagliery

Anonymous isn't doing anything new by hacking Islamic extremist websites. A mysterious figure known as "The Jester" has been at it for five years.

Jester has single-handedly taken down dozens of websites that, he deems, support jihadist propaganda and recruitment efforts. He stopped counting at 179.
To some, he's an Internet superhero. Think Batman, with all the vengeance-laden moral qualms of vigilantism included.

"I realized something needed to be done about online radicalization and 'grooming' of wannabe jihadis, and we didn't have mechanisms to deal with it," Jester said in an interview with CNNMoney. "I decided to start disrupting them."
Little is actually known about Jester, other than his public persona on Twitter as @th3j35t3r: He is unapologetic, unabashedly pro-America and full of military jargon.

Jester first appeared on Twitter on Dec. 19, 2009. Since then, he's used his computer hacking skills to shut down, deface or expose anything he considers threatening to the United States -- especially if it endangers soldiers. If a legitimate company is hosting the site, it usually gets a brief warning before he attacks.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/16/technology/security/jester-hacker-vigilante/

[oberliner]

69. But it's not actual reporting

If you just cite information from tweets and other articles.

[womanofthehills]

73. There is so so much info coming out in tweets

and Mensch, Jester, John Schlinder, Malcolm Nance , Alexandra Chalupa, etc. are people to watch. They are putting tons of info out there. Are you saying only reporters who work for networks are real reporters? When Alexandra Chalupa was gathering info on Manifort, while working for Hillary, her car was broken into twice, someone tried to break into her house - she was being stalked but she tweeted away and you would say because she tweets she not a "real reporter."

What the fuck is actual reporting?

[oberliner]

76. Actual reporting is when you talk to human beings

Not just pull tweets and articles written by other people.

[Worktodo]

80. It's like a jigsaw puzzle

Twitter is like a machine shooting out puzzle pieces. Traditional reporting is when somebody puts the pieces together for you. When reporters do that they make sure you get the whole picture, and that there aren't any missing pieces.

Second part is that there aren't clear editorial standards on Twitter (that I've seen). If it gets printed in The NY Times it's got to meet certain standards for sources, verifiability, etc. I really like that people are trying to get information out as quickly as possible-- and I don't think they expect me to hold them to a high standard for their tweets.

IMHO a reporter can be anyone, anywhere. It's just that it has more credibility to me in a traditional format than in a tweet.

[womanofthehills]

85. So when Malcolm Nance, Joy Reid, Louise Mensch or Rachel tweet you think it's not verifiabile

and their reputation is not on the line.

[Native]

107. Not to mention that reporters tweet about their stories even before they are published

you don't dismiss something simply because it is a tweet

[Worktodo]

43. i still doubt we will see anything at all

I could be wrong. The kind of direct evidence needed to prove knowing collusion will be difficult to obtain. Louise Mench and Palmer have a lot of charts and graphs but there has to be fire with that smoke.

Some of what we know is the highly suspicious "Red Flags" (get it?) from last year. Manafort for example. Some is new data from news reporting. And a lot is speculation or inside sources.

So is any of this coming from the investigation itself? There are incidentals (like Flynn registering with FARA). My point is, I think the more that leaks from the actual investigation the less likely it is that anyone will actually be held accountable...

[womanofthehills]

63. The Guardian said there was evidence to prove collusion.

[Worktodo]

88. They qualified it to "a single source"

So no corroboration. They're possibly talking to the same source as Mensch. Which would make it one data point not two. I wonder about the motivations of the source-- indications are it's someone outside of the investigations? (i.e. covert) and possibly (probably) not American? Your thoughts?

[EL34x4]

111. Proving collusion is one thing.

Proving something illegal took place is entirely different.

"Collusion" isn't necessarily a crime.

[Ilsa]

45. I posted about Rudy G and Palmer this morning.

I guess I'm on a ton of ignore lists. The few replies indicated I should not trust the palmer report.

[womanofthehills]

65. Many journalists & politicians share the Palmer Report - like Joy Reid, Howard Dean, Ted Lieu. etc

Instead of talking about this possibly happening, you guys just make it a put down Palmer thread. We know that - the same people post this all the time.

[womanofthehills]

86. Well, Malcolm Nance just backed up the Rudy G. stuff. I myself love the Palmer report.

[ananda]

48. Go to tribelaw twitter site.

Lawrence Tribe retweeted this from Claude Taylor:

Just spoke to a New York source and Rudy Giuliani is in legal jeopardy and is desperate to make a deal but James Comey is having none of it.

Tribe himself tweeted: My hunch. Rudy will soon be toast. And not the buttered kind.

[calimary]

54. Indeed? Dayum it'd be sweet to see Rudy finally get his.

I can dream, can't I!

Then again, Lawrence Tribe is more credible.

[certainot]

120. i want to see him do his guest spots on fox from jail in an orange

jumpsuit as if nothing's different

[Native]

108. Sounds legit to me! Getting some popcorn NOW.

[WhiteTara]

49. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas.

I hope it won't be a big nothing burger when it's over. We need all of them gone, gone, gone.

[R B Garr]

50. K&R

Wow. Just amazing what an absolute piece of crap Trump is. All the lies he spread about Democrats, and he is the biggest criminal around.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Too late, NK and trump starting world war tonight

[SleeplessinSoCal]

52. DAMN palmer Report. When did any "report" prove true? N/T

[womanofthehills]

74. OK so what did Palmer report this month that was not true?

He reports each day, and I think one report didn't pan out. What did he report this month that upset you?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

94. going back to the transition and the recount.

Please tell we he was right about

[Brother Buzz]

58. I think Jason Leopold just got off the phone with Palmer

And Jason Leopold warned him to go slow with those firm time and dates.

[triron]

60. Hope this is accurate!

Answer to my prayers.

[Mr. Ected]

61. Patience, everyone, patience

The Trump gang is toast. All of them burned to a crisp.

The trick is in orchestrating an extremely complex take-down of the cast and characters. The number of crimes committed and being committed by this group is staggering. The fact that these American racketeers could ever ascend to the presidency is astonishing. The fact that they committed de facto treason to get there is breathtakingly stunning.

Behold The Great Purge of 2017. And brace yourself. This one's going to blow your mind.

[stillsoleft]

66. I can't stand media and reps carrying on

Business as usual. Talking about his foreign policy and domestic agenda as if he's not facing, if not his own immediate demise, enough damage to his admin that he could very well resign or be impeached

[Duppers]

115. Exactly! MSM did their great part in getting Cheeto elected.

There are some hard facts about this admin that they could drum on about but don't. We hear bits from MSNBC but that's about it in media coverage. The overwhelming majority of the US public has never heard of the Guardian much less the Palmer Report.

We know Nunes/House investigation was corrupted, but why has the senate investigation gone dead cold? Waiting on more evidence from Comey? Then again, it may be a good idea to make Trump feel comfortable until everything is in place just to prevent nukes being dropped somewhere. I don't think that's being hyperbolic either.

[Duppers]

116. I so hope you're right.

Your post is a ray of sunshine for me, so thanks.

[AntiFascist]

72. I think....

based on various leaks, that there is already overwhelming evidence of collusion with the Russians. The problem has to do with popular opinions, and right now Trump's opinion polls happen to be growing due to his foreign policy reversals and war mongering. Popular MSM outlets such as CNN are not helping that much because they make a shitload of money whenever there are major war efforts underway!

[NYC Liberal]

77. Maybe 24 business hours?

Not holding my breath.

[cilla4progress]

79. GG

...

[GliderGuider]

93. :-)

[cilla4progress]

103. Want to believe but

have all but given up.

I feel.like a kid who has been promised a puppy for Christmas but just keep getting books about puppies, or stuffed animals of puppies...

[triron]

82. kick for visibility

[Demtexan]

90. It needs to speed up.

We need a world left first.

Bomb boy wants to play with his toys.

[Gabi Hayes]

95. isikoff commented on the glacial speed of senate IC investigation. he has no

Confidence in them

Or cia chief either

Not ONE Republican in Congress or admin values country over party

NOT

ONE

[tavernier]

98. Maybe they'll get patriotic quickly when the noose

is around their neck.

[ck4829]

99. Kick

[liberal N proud]

102. trump will nuke North Korea by then as a diversion

Then the detractors will say that we can't do anything while at war.

[yurbud]

104. arrests or not, they need to release the CONTENT of the contacts as well

Unless you are predisposed to want conflict with Russia, the contacts themselves aren't that damning apart from the Trumpettes guilty response to allegations.

[sellitman]

105. As long as the GOP controls everything

All of this is a waste of time. The House will never Impeach Cheeto Face.

Never.

Work for the next election. It's a better use of your time than reading all these false news sites and getting your hopes up.

Cheeto Face could be on camera murdering someone and they wouldn't Impeach him.

[oasis]

113. Flipping the House in 2018 and freezing Trump's policies

is good enough for me. He's toast in 2020.

[Native]

109. Kick

[Grins]

114. Laughed at this line in 2nd link: "(Rudy) Giuliani, now President Trump's cyber czar...."

&quot Rudy) Giuliani, now President Trump's cyber czar...."

Czar? Czar? Did you say Czar?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Oh sweet buttery kittens on toast! How many emails have I received since 1993 (excluding the period Jan 20, 2001 to Jan 20, 2009) from the Reich-wing mouth-breathers bitching about "un-elected" Czars as an "affront to the Constitution"?

[certainot]

118. fantastic!

[cwydro]

121. The wishful thinking here is amazing.

Don't hold your breath.

[DavidDvorkin]

122. Unfortunately, you're right.