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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOkay, my patience is wearing thin, here. . .
The scandals surrounding the Trump Presidency number in the hundreds, if not thousands. He's a narcissist. He's a pathological liar. He's a racist. He's a criminal. He's a pervert. He's a traitor. And that's just off the top of my head.
Where have our checks and balances gone? Surely the Powers That Be (ie:, CIA, FBI) already have more than enough evidence to successfully indict him. He needs to be impeached immediately, then charged and sent to jail.
His presidency is illegitimate! His campaign team conspired with a foreign government to help him win the election. Everyone knows this. The FBI knows it. The CIA knows it. The Democrats know it. The Republicans know it. Even the public knows it.
Donald Trump does more to damage our country on any given day than all the foreign terror groups combined. He has got to go, and he's got to go immediately! It's time to impeach and indict, and we can't waste another moment!
Gosh darnitt!!!
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH --- !!!!
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C Moon
(12,223 posts)It boggles my mind ever day I see that they are still in control of the White House.
Apparently, it's easy to break laws when you're rich.
Nitram
(22,913 posts)Because Republicans don't know from laws, rules, ethics or morality.
woodsprite
(11,931 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,867 posts)why he will never be impeached. Trump is their President, and the Republicans have signed on to own him and his actions. If he went out in the streets, pulled a gun and shot someone dead, the Republican's would have spun that the guy who died, deserved it.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)his entire adult life. Sometimes he gets away with it, others he "settles" without admitting guilt. I think it has made him cocky, as if rules don't apply to him. He's taken that arrogance and recklessness with him to the White House. I think he is headed for a big fall and he won't see it coming.
malaise
(269,219 posts)since the parents sent him off to a military high school
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)Even as a child he was breaking the rules. If he didn't have money, he'd just be that jerk at the end of the bar that everyone tries to avoid.
iluvtennis
(19,882 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)Mike Pence is an ignorant and childish person who will do as much if not more harm than trump.
It sucks given Hillary won both the popular vote and EC. Unless people think the Russians have planted agents on the ground here for the past 60 years, some being born here, in places such as politics, talk show hosts, politicians AND election board members and that once they got their dream candidate, dumbshit, they left it up to the American voters?
No chance of that.
burnbaby
(685 posts)If Hillary won the EC wouldn't she be president?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)catbyte
(34,485 posts)stopped recount. Give me a goddamned break--how could they? Similar crimes in WI & PA, too.I used to laugh at conspiracy theories, but Hillary and the US were the victims of a coup d'etat involving the Trump campaign, the RNC, and the Russian government. Something dark and dangerous happened on 11/8/16, and the media acts like it was a normal "win." Bullshit. The exit polls here in MI have never been that far off from the vote count.
mythology
(9,527 posts)From counties recounted by machine. Claiming something not just without evidence, but actually ignoring the fact that the evidence says you're wrong is the same thing Republicans do when the talk about in person voter fraud.
catbyte
(34,485 posts)llmart
(15,557 posts)There is NO WAY he won Michigan and that the polls were that far off. I will go to my grave knowing he cheated. He is a fraud in everything he's ever done and he is not to be trusted because of his mental issues.
this is my feeling. I want to see a scientific analysis of the voting trends. I hope the computer scientists who were concerned and suggested the recount follow up with self consistency checks that might tell us what the hell happened. I am personally not satisfied with the integrity of the voting process.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)and should be nullified.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Its unprecedented.
Its not like the President had a blow job in the oval office.
Or even that he was caught taking bribes, or even murdering someone. It was not about one person.
It was a crime whose result was that ONE PARTY had a clear, illegal, traitorous advantage over the other. So Hillary should be granted the presidency. But more than that. How many House and Senate seats were won because of Russian trolls? The whole election should be a re-do. And then there would be the issue of how many of those bills passed that were introduced by Trump would be allowed to stand? Because if you simply dropped Hillary in, she could not reverse all the harmful bills already law now. And going forward Mitch and co. would most surely never allow her to introduce anything else successfully while they were in charge.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)of the House & Senate asap.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)When it is proven that the election was stolen, the rightful President is the Majority winner Hillary Clinton.
If tRump resigns before the case is proven, Pence takes over, but his ticket and the Republican Electoral College win would by rights be erased and Hillary Clinton inaugurated when the case is proven.
we have identified all the dictators problems that prove he isn't fit to be the president...
now what do we do about it...it's still not clear.....
mopinko
(70,268 posts)is that some brave dem steps up and puts it on the line by spilling the beans.
that person will likely be prosecuted, and become a political prisoner.
but that is what it will take.
Nwgirl503
(406 posts)If it were me, I know if be prepping my family for life without me. I wouldn't be able to sit on what they must be sitting on, and watch what's been going on. I don't wish that catch-22 on anyone for sure. I wish the powers-that-be would do something so it doesn't get to that point.
Lives are going to be ruined. I just want it to be the right ones.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It seems like everyone is dragging their feet, but I think we're just getting scared. It's only been 3 months since he was sworn in. There may not be enough to get all the criminals yet. When things like this happened in the past it seems like they took much less time, but they didn't. If I remember correctly Nixon was actually re-elected in a landslide after the investigation into his activities was started and just a few months later he quit rather be impeached. Just like Trump he did a lot of covering up and pretending he didn't know anything and losing tapes and blaming his secretary for gaps in the tapes and obfuscating.
Hopefully Trump will fall in the end. And also hopefully with as little damage as possible.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)They have become corrupt from top to bottom. The Trumpy scandals are being propagated and protected by the GOP. They ARE ALL IN ON THE RUSSIA INCURSION. McConnell and Ryan quite likely had contacts with Russian operatives and approved of their hacks, their micro-targeting, and their propaganda.
There has NEVER been anything like this. The entire GOP hierarchy is implicated in the scandal and/or the cover-up.
If any justice remains, the GOP ought to be dissolved and delegitimized. The entire electorate ought to be sending them to the loser's bin of history.
ProfessorPlum
(11,279 posts)but that is up to McConnell and the Zombie Eyed Granny Starver.
luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)Calculating
(2,957 posts)Trump is simply a means to an end to them. That end is a super conservative supreme court. By the time Trump is done we might easily have 6-7 hard conservatives on the SCOTUS. They're willing to risk Trump potentially starting a war or something in order to secure their goal.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)A man who does not have the reading comprehension skills to understand what he is signing, yet he signs everything they put in front of him.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Get him OUT, NOW.
It is unfathomable that this Cretin is still getting away with EVERYTHING. Everything. And his freakish family, too.
Can every agency in this government be so fucking weak and gutless that nothing can be done???? Yeah, it takes time, they say. GET HIM OUT NOW.
WE see it, WE know it, the WORLD knows it.
Jaysus.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)and trump is not going to jail . . .
RexCasual
(171 posts)Hopefully, the whole party will go down with him (or after him), but. . .
First things first. Anything is preferable to the daily embarrassment of a Trump Presidency. Let's get rid of him a.s.a.p., then we'll start dismantling the Ship of Fools.
And, respectfully, I believe with all my heart that, when all is said and done, Donald Trump, the traitor and criminal, will indeed go to jail. Just my humble opinion.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)it would certainly make the rest of this term more bearable. The ensuing brouhaha would overshadow everything else for a time.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)StubbornThings
(259 posts)Trump will be A LOT easier to beat than anyone else.
It might feel good to get rid of Trump but there's not guarantee that Pence won't be just as bad. Plus, Pence actually sounds like a reasonable person with the demeanor of the President. The Republicans love him and would rally around him in 2020.
We need Trump to stay so we can take back Congress and win back the WH in 2020.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)trump is having a hard time holding on to his base right now
jazzcat23
(176 posts)the other thing we need to do is start to diminish Pence! He believes in the bible, not the constitution. And from what I've read elsewhere, the R's are right there with him. So time has come to expose that man for his ideology and make him equally unpopular as tRump. I don't know which congress creep just said that separation of church and state is NOT in the constitution...what?! How pathetic, they just read (supposedly) the constitution on the floor of congress when Obama got in, only 8 yrs ago, and they have already dismissed it! Or forgotten it, or never paid attention in the first place. They ALL have to go.
Paladin
(28,277 posts)As opposed to the deranged, scandal-plagued, Russian sock puppet we have, now.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Paladin
(28,277 posts)I'd take my chances with some sane republicans, properly scarred and humiliated by a brutal, scandal-revealing impeachment process.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)a much better long-range plan
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)Ryan does not automatically become vice president. Pence would appoint a vice president who would have to be approved by the Senate. He could appoint Ryan, however. My guess is would appoint someone far worse than him, though.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)not be because the election was STOLEN? And is that not provable? Therefore the whole election, i.e. the whole ticket was stolen. Therefore, why should Pence or any other Republican be given the Presidency?
The whole election must be nullified. Pence knew about the fix making him an accessory to the crimes.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)Of course, rethugs would fight like crazy. My wishes would be for every seat up for re-election in 2018 be given to the Dems, Dems with fire in their bellies. I'd even be willing to wait 2yrs.
Dreams are made of this.
StubbornThings
(259 posts)I feel sorry for them.
The GOP will run the WH until 2020, especially with a right wing SCOTUS. That is one thing we can all be sure of.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)GitRDun
(1,846 posts)we have no idea what the FBI has on him...all we have is unnamed sources.
Similarly we don't know what the CIA has either.
What we do know that is extraordinarily frustrating is that without a Democratic House or Senate there is no accountability for these scandals.
My exasperation is directed mostly at the American electorate. How they can keep voting in Republicans is beyond me. The colossal stupidity of putting in these corrupt ass hats just kills me.
Until the public turns on R's in the voting booth we are all stuck in Trumplandistan until Comey comes out with it....
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)I have posted, and said to people, countless times for over a decade now.
The issue here is this country time, after time, after time indulging repubican fuck wittery.
Reagen and Iran Cotra, them being complete asshats during the 90s with Clinton, Bush lying us into Iraq, them beig similarly raging asshats to BHO AND doing nothing other than that for 8 years ... Only to have the put up Donald Fucking Trump as POTUS and vote him in ...
CousinIT
(9,264 posts)for the Presidency. If this goes on and NOTHING happens? The next time it will be even WORSE. This crap has gone on since NIXON and has gotten worse since. IT. NEEDS. TO. BE. STOPPED. Even if only stopping Trump. We can deal w/ Pence/whoever afterwards. But the kind of crap Trump has pulled - he's a worldwide CONman - can NOT go on with impunity.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)Since them their scandals have gotten worse - Iran Contra (not to mention doing a back door deal on the Iran hostages), Lying the country into Iraq and now 45.
AT THE SAME TIME, they are held less responsible with each incident.
CousinIT
(9,264 posts)What's going on now is totally unacceptable.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Aristus
(66,478 posts)And Trump is the President they always wanted...
ananda
(28,885 posts)It's exactly what we're all feeling, and it's righteous.
panader0
(25,816 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,788 posts)here feel the same.
Gosh darn it? You really have awesome self control. I've been wanting to rant just for mental clearance but mine would be laced with every symbol on the keyboard. It would be unreadable.
Thanks
Kablooie
(18,642 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)In light of the fact that the Republicans hold majorities in both the House and Senate it's unlikely that a majority vote to impeach could be achieved in the House.
Considerably more unlikely is that we're going to see a 2/3 majority of the Senate who will vote to convict any time soon.
But you already know that, don't you, because you've actually read the Constitution.
Sculpin Beauregard
(1,046 posts)UK, Germany, etc.
The world knows.
world wide wally
(21,757 posts)still_one
(92,454 posts)SpankMe
(2,970 posts)I am certain that if Hillary had won, all of her scandals and missteps would amount to 1/2 of one percent of Trump's - and the Republicans would be on the war path.
But Trump's seditious activities - not a significant peep out of Republicans (aka, assholes).
LAS14
(13,783 posts)IronLionZion
(45,563 posts)They stole a Supreme Court seat from us, or at least we'd have the court to rule against them.
We have a long term handicap in the house, but still a fighting chance in the Senate
If our people vote, we could pick up enough seats to provide some stronger challenges
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)This government was put in place by white men who hate women and women who hate themselves and feel they're safer with a patriarchy and "Rich Daddy".
I mean, why dance around it?
He appealed to the WORST of America's character; a hypocrite gaggle of quasi-Klansmen blaming Democrats for the problems caused by Republican politicians, businessmen and economic policies.
We continue to elect Republicans because we love them too much. America's default position is Republican. We're a bunch of well-conditioned SAPS.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)This case is enormous, much bigger and more important even than Watergate.;
It has to be done right. There is the principle "Innocent until proven guilty" and that goes double for the President, even if he is only the Minority President.
LenaBaby61
(6,979 posts)From everything I've heard and read, this whole investigation will NOT be done and finished overnight. It's gonna take TIME. I know it's extremely frustrating to know that tRumputin was in collusion with another entity helping him to be installed into the presidency, and the bad thing is that he's trying to--along with the help of the GOP--blow up, burn down, deconstruct (pres. nazibannon) this country/world as we speak. However, you have to cross the t's and dot the i's, gather strong and irrefutable evidence in what seems to be an ever-widening situation like this with TONS at stake--quite literally our democracy which was stolen by a pack of treasonous, rotten, dirty, filthy, money-grubbing thieves.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)(BND) just turned over to the U.S. evidence of collusion and "quid pro quo"..
This takes time.
It took two years to bring down the Watergate/Nixon mess.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Curious.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)mehrrh
(233 posts)Everything you said and then some
BigmanPigman
(51,642 posts)I am 54 and I am actually not upset. The sooner the better. The silver lining is that I won't have to see Humpty Dumpy destroy what's left of my country. Friends/family think I am kidding but I am very sincere and relieved. In the time I have left I will do what I have done throughout my life...speak up for people's individual rights and freedoms. When I can no longer go to protests I will continue calling and writing letters. I said he would win since he descended down the escalator. I hope he descends to Hell eventually. I believe in Karma. I will be going in the other direction.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)comes from another question...knowing what they did prior to the election, why is it that they didn't do anything to stop him from running? and that is why they are not going to do anything to take him out.
I hate to say it, but the system is broken, FBI and CIA are no longer protecting the country as they should, they have become too politic...I hope they prove me wrong.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Once it's clearly exposed how corrupt he and his ilk are.
alfredo
(60,077 posts)Mountain Mule
(1,002 posts)The question which must be asked here is "Cui bono" - literally "for whose benefit?" It's is a Latin phrase, commonly used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat, for example.
Trump is a buffoon who has clearly gained in wealth and power from all this, but the real winners are those who have affiliated with the Republican side in their on-going crusade to destroy our democracy and to make our government ineffectual. Do Rex Tillotson or the Koch brothers or any other billionaire CEO's who make up the Traitor's inner circle shed any tears over the very true things in your rant? Not hardly. They're all out celebrating the re-birth of coal, the death of even the most toothless of government regulations when it comes to the financial industry and industries depending on the extraction of C-based fuels, etc.
My major hope lies in the backlash against the Traitor and his absurd policies. Nothing makes me happier than seeing/hearing one of those Republican Town Halls turned into a near riot. Keep up the good work, everyone!
Locrian
(4,522 posts)He is the PERFECT distraction.
Thing is - I see most people still believing in the "system" that will eventually correct and remove trump.
Problem is - the SYSTEM is what is broken - and I have near zero faith that it will correct things.
Right now, I guarantee that others are gaming the system: using trump, using leverage, distraction, etc to further gain power. The system operates it: gain power, gain money - it's the only thing that matters. If 'truth' and 'justice' are beneficial to that - maybe he gets removed or smacked down. If not - it's business as usual.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)it has not been resolved and it will eventually bring down this bad joke of an administration.