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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas anyone read Matt Taibbi's book, Shattered, about the Clinton campaign?
This is not an anti-Hillary post and I fully believe the election results were questionable at best, but the excerpt I read was brutal.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He is not worth reading.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,769 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)and the financial crisis are both very good.
lies
(315 posts)about this... and the response is basically, "the book is russian propaganda and all a stupid lie".
Cha
(297,378 posts)he's a hack.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Cha
(297,378 posts)spanone
(135,854 posts)Cha
(297,378 posts)post again...and decided it still stands.
he did his part to get us where we're at.
The fact people can't see through him boggles the mind.
emo-progness.
nini
onecaliberal
(32,874 posts)Fact: Secretary Clinton won by 3 million votes. Because of republican cheating and gerrymandering that orange lunatic is occupying the White House.
spanone
(135,854 posts)jrthin
(4,836 posts)of these books and boycotting CNN. Those activities make me feel better. Additionally, when I can, I will starve any corporation ( by withholding my dollars) who aid and abet the mess we are in.
still_one
(92,273 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)hundreds of people related to the campaign.
Don't know what wouldn't be legit about it.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)spanone
(135,854 posts)Response to Chasstev365 (Original post)
SticksnStones This message was self-deleted by its author.
still_one
(92,273 posts)adding his opinion about the book, but he isn't the author.
Taibbi hates Hillary, so it is no surprise that he would jump on anything to get an opportunity to slam her.
He is very defensive about Putin, and argues and goes out of his way to say there is no proof that Russia interfered in our election, saying because we were "lied to about the WMDs", as though somehow that proves his assertion, which it doesn't, and then claims those who have been saying so are behaving like "Joe McCarthy". Under baseless claim.
Both Taibbi and Greewald are over-rated, and there personal bias makes them not objective at all
delisen
(6,044 posts)and either/or thinking.
Just because our spy agencies have done bad things and lied to us does not Ean Putin is not intervening in our elections and trying to destabilize western democracies.
We are supposed to be understanding of Russia's desire for a warm weather port or for buffer states, or desire to breakup western alliances.
Ah, poor Russia-so misunderstood.
There is a part of the American Left and the American Right that is pro-dictatorship and part that is highly tolerant of dictatorship in foreign policy.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)If she had won, they would have used the same set of facts to say what a brilliant campaign she'd run. Won't buy this obvious attack on the person who lost. Time to look at our campaign for the future.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,769 posts)The authors' approach seems pretty objective. What I've read so far describes the destructive infighting among the campaign personnel during the primaries - haven't got as far as the Russia/Comey materials yet.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Much better than HRC would have been.
JHan
(10,173 posts)And news organizations would excerpt the most controversial bits that don't mirror the overall tone of the book for clicks and ratings.
but seriously .. just edit your title, Taibibi is not the author.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...co-writer? I hear is gossipy and doesn't really explore Republican mechanics - and, of course, that Hillary won the vote handily.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,769 posts)that the book was too favorable toward Hillary; many others complain that it was too critical of her. So, it looks like a lot of people are reading it through the prism of their existing bias. The fact that there seems to be no clear consensus among readers as to whether the book was pro- or anti- Hillary suggests that the authors were at least somewhat objective in their reporting.
JHan
(10,173 posts)because clicks and ratings.
but their book on Hillary's stint at the State Department is VERY good and destroys ridiculous rumors that were floating about when Obama picked her as SoS. And covers her frustrations and successes as Secretary of State.
I suspect I won't agree with everything in this book, but I have some confidence in the authors.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,769 posts)My impression so far is that they tried to be fair. People do tend to let their biases color their opinions.
JHan
(10,173 posts)(zillionth hint)
JHan
(10,173 posts)there are probably some lessons in the book to learn, and I say that as a crazy ass HRC fan.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)...in my opinion just another post election money making book opportunity and whether there are factual reporting in it or not, we have heard it pretty much all before and it's a story that happens in every election and with all candidates in some form or manner (i.e. Incompetent people, fighting between staffers, not having the right message etc). But it's completely irrelevant and a waste of time because in my opinion, even if Clinton had run the most flawless, perfect campaign - this election was tampered with and a foreign nation worked against this candidate with cyberwarfare and bits and misinformation and fake news and colluding with the opponent and therefore it's IRRELEVANT.
Maybe the authors would have better spent their time researching the Russian hacking and interference and writing a book on that instead of a whiny book about what the Clinton campaign did wrong.
All you need to know (and to save your money) is to just see several interviews with the authors and you know all you need to know.....nothing new or of value.