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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere has to be a total forfeiture penalty of the office for any presidential candidate colluding
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or attempting collusion with a foreign government to steal the Office of the Presidency of the United States from another candidate in a national election. It simply cannot pass to the VP and/or the Speaker of the House in the normal transition process if it were stolen in the first place, thus allowing the guilty candidate and/or his or her party to profit from their criminal misdeeds. If this is not the case, you are rewarding the candidate and the candidate's party and providing an incentive for future candidates to engage in such activities.
If this despicable deed is rewarded by allowing VP Mike Pence to assume the presidency upon impeachment, it will be tried again, trust me. There is too much campaign money involved and too much to be gained, (i.e. Supreme Court picks), and too little to lose, not to try it again. Look at Trump. Neither he nor his compatriots have shown any shame or remorse for their role in their collusive activities. Instead they mock the system; treat it as a joke. When was the last time this nation hung, shot, or imprisoned one of it's citizens for committing Treason. Impeachment is not a sufficient determent for collusion. The last two candidates impeached were able to repair their sullied reputations rather easily; Richard Nixon had regained his statesman's reputation prior to his death and Bill Clinton's was at it highest ever before he left office.
The next candidate who attempts to steal an election, will not make the same stupid mistakes as the Trump administration, I assure you. Currently, despite the early warnings and notifications from our allies of what was going on, prior to the election, Comey has said it could take another near to investigate Trump's collusive activities. Possibly one or two Supreme Court justices will retire during that time, and Trump will have the right to appoint their successors. If we continue to allow the current WH occupant to fill those seats prior to Comey having completed his investigation, Trump will have won and the Republican Party will have won the right to shape the SCOTUS for generations to come.
In fact, if Trump were smart, he'd resign before he's indicted or impeached. He could brag about how much he's already profited from the office of the presidency in less than 100 days in office, with the proceeds from his luxury condo sales (condos which up until this point had gone unsold), his surplus Inauguration Ceremony contributions estimated at more than $50M, his doubling of the Mar-a-Lago membership fees, his additional costs to the Federal Treasury for expenses which have gone far beyond those incurred by any previous administration in their first 100 days. He has a surplus of over $50M raised already for the 2020 Campaign. His daughter and her privately own company has profited already as well. Recent news reported sales of her jewelry line, clothing line, purses, shoes, cosmetics, colognes etc are up 37% since the first of the year when previously department stores were dropping her lines due to diminishing sales. We don't care anymore about this family, we just want to be rid of these Beverly Hillbillies masquerading as the Rockerfellers, before they can do irreparable harm to this nation's reputation at best, or get us into a nuclear war costing millions in casualties and destruction.
triron
(22,007 posts)but fear our legislative and judiciary branches not reasonable at all.
Our country as it was before this presidency is in mortal danger if not dead already.
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)would require forfeiture of control of the Congress to the opposing party if the presidential candidate was guilty of misconduct during the campaign, and the Party played no role in the scheme. In our current case, the presidential candidate was colluding with an enemy of the government to help him win the election by hacking into our election systems and stealing data; releasing private data to the public; defrauding the public with fake news on the candidate and fake news in general during the campaign; working with members of the presidential candidate campaign staff to offer concessions to that enemy in the form of concessions in the party platform that affect our relationships with our allies; and the promise of removing UN sanctions imposed upon that enemy of the state as punishment for past deeds.
The current case calls for a remedy that is unique to the situation we are facing. A GOP candidate knowingly colluded with an enemy of the state, one which wants to destroy our government and our democratic process, in order to increase his chances of getting elected. If the GOP has any honor, they would do the right thing and throw the bum out and forfeit the office for the remainder of the current term, due to Trump and his cohorts, misdeeds.