Hillary AND Bernie are last year's news. Can you folks leave it there and focus on the Future?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

This Daily KOS article should stir up some discussion.
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Neither Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders is the President of the United States, are they, so what’s your point?

We all lost to the lying POS who parks his disgusting ass on the chair beneath the Resolute Desk most weekdays.

So every story written which climbs the REC LIST, filled with the strident comments of the still angry supporters of our two losing candidates in the presidential race of 2016, is a story which accomplishes nothing except to keep the divisiveness of that election cycle alive and well.

At some point, all of you angry people need to see that the ONLY WINNERS in this continual effort to re-fight the last election are the Republicans.

Is that what you want? To help the Republicans?

It’s 2017, and while we lost the White House to the Liars and Manipulators there was a silver lining — that loss created The Resistance.

Which lead directly to our first big win of 2017 — and it wasn’t for a single candidate, but for all of us.

Democrats, progressives, liberals and Independents looked around after the stunning results of November 8th, 2016 and after grieving though the holidays they found something interesting. A little group of former congressional staffers put out a Guidebook for how to not just protest, but to do so in a manner designed to be successful.

The Indivisible Guide for how to resist the Trump Agenda.

Overnight, Indivisible groups popped up all over America. People in counties everywhere connected on Facebook and created local groups — and by the end of January there were over 7,000 of them. 

-more-

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/24/1655753/-Hillary-AND-Bernie-are-last-year-s-news-Can-you-folks-leave-it-there-and-focus-on-the-Future

[Sculpin Beauregard]

1. Yes, for Gods sake, please!!! The Bernie posts can't even be taken seriously it's trolling.

[Warpy]

2. Face it, the future is looking pretty scary

with Draftdodger45 insisting on war powers.

Last year was a kinder and gentler time when we thought democracy still had a chance. I can understand why people want to dwell there instead of either the present or the future.

FDJT.

[elleng]

3. Oh sure, and get so much positive response!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12816241

[chillfactor]

4. amen!

I am so tired of reading posts from an election already over. Let's talk about finding and praising new leaders coming forth in the Democratic party.

[William769]

5. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. nt

[Fresh_Start]

6. the problem is remembering the past

always occurs through the mirror of ones opinion

So some ppl remember Bernie as energizing some voters.
Other ppl remember Bernie as turning off other voters when we needed them in the general.

In this case, we'd all do better to never again speak of Bernie or Hillary and look to the future.

[JudyM]

7. Except that Bernie is currently working actively on outreach and any news of him incites a reaction.

[Steven Maurer]

9. I think it's more the perceived waffling on pro-choice

Whether or not Senator Sanders' endorsing someone who previously worked for anti-choice legislation merits such heated critiques (and I personally think he doesn't), it's fundamentally a misrepresentation to say that "any news of him incites a reaction". Instead, it's news of him being pragmatic in ways that he previously refused to be on other issues.

[JudyM]

14. Untrue.

That's just what you've observed since you got here, Steven. You will unfortunately see that every time he makes news he's attacked for some angle of it, or if there's nothing substantive to criticize it reverts to him not having the right to be a part of our party and being an old Jewish white man who's only out for his ego, and the posters are accused of baiting that reaction.

Unity may be important to the party leadership, but some don't see it as important at all. Sad.

[Steven Maurer]

15. I'm less innocent than you may imagine...

I've read the DU before. I mostly saw the site as a toxic wasteland during the primary. I saw the behavior of both sides.

While you are likely correct in saying "every time he makes news he's attacked for some angle of it", it appears that you're not accounting for the standard bias of news - which is to never report on politicians unless they're being somehow controversial. So it is not unexpected that people might be critical of Senator Sanders even seeming to play footsie with the anti-choice movement, especially when his stated position has been that any sort of political pragmatism is immoral.

Being a pragmatist myself, I certainly welcome any movement on the good Senator's part to value actually winning (so you can do good things, even if they're not perfect things). On the other hand, I can certainly see how this welcome shift could strike other people as hypocritical, or worse, his selective-pragmatism as a signal that women's rights is being turned into a second-class consideration in the Democratic coalition.

So I disagree with your sense that this isn't a real issue. At least not this time. This was a shot across the bow, and it worked. Senator Sanders listened. Which is how it should be.

[Fresh_Start]

17. thats the way you see it....

I see him constantly casting aspersions on the democratic party.
So if I had my druthers, he would not be on the dis-unity tour.

[JudyM]

18. Is the party so holy it can't use improvement? Schumer and Perez want his candid input and help

for a reason, and I trust them on this. I happen to be really pissed at Reid for just the reasons Sanders says, and I'm a passionate Dem (who voted for Hillary). If we're not tough enough to take his suggestions to heart, it doesn't say much for our identity.

[Fresh_Start]

21. Bullying is not helping improve anything.

Improvement would be good but it should be the improvement that the majority of democrats want not want BS wants. I don't want a corporate war. I don't think giving speeches is a problem. I don't think my donations to the democratic party corrupt it because I work for a bank.

[athena]

10. Some of us remember the 2000 election and its aftermath.

It seems to others, that's not even ancient history; it never happened. History, after all, began with Bernie.

[Lucinda]

8. No. They are both actively working on issues they care about

I am not interested in throwing any players off the board when they have the means to do good.

[lillypaddle]

11. Amen!

Sick of it.

[betsuni]

12. No. Neither one of them has been frozen in ice since the election.

Talking about what they are saying and doing now isn't re-fighting the primaries.

[L. Coyote]

13. But, but, that isn't how you sow divisiveness and defeat Dems.

The trolls army is working overtime because their supreme leader is under fire and about to go down in flames.

[TNLib]

16. I think the direction of the party is an important conversation

Is the party going to move towards populism and isolationism and throw the social issues out the window? or we going to continue to be the big tent party.

Bernie and Hillary represent that contrast IMHO.

I don't think these threads need to get ugly but there is no reason that they can't be discussed.

[SticksnStones]

23. I agree with your framing of the heart of the issue

These threads aren't really rehashing the primary per se...IMO, they are an outcropping of the battle for control of the big D Democratic narrative namely: What issue is the top of the political food chain? Is there a single deal-breaking issue for the Democratic Party? Who is the de facto leader of Democrats? Clinton? Sanders? Neither? Both?

While at times the threads do devolve into clear rehashing...we'd be more successful as a party if, after lengthy public conversations about the direction our party is heading and just who is leading it there, we'd agree on some basics and get back to kicking republicans out, vote by vote.

[grantcart]

19. let's talk about whether Hubert Humphrey is a real progressive

[Warren DeMontague]

24. You laugh, but some people are still having that fight, too.

they did not appreciate my mentioning that there were as many years between 1928 and 1972, as between 1972 and 2016.

Some people are having a wee bit of trouble accepting the turning of the wheel of time, I think. Adjusting to the fact that it's the 21st century really seems to piss those folks off.

[grantcart]

25. I laugh, I cry, and sometimes I just mumble to myself all day long.

[Thrill]

20. This is so true. Start propping up some of these younger Democrats

[Vinca]

22. I couldn't agree more.

We spin our wheels why the GOP ruins the planet, guts healthcare and impoverishes more Americans.