If I can make a suggestion, why don't we all just ignore the anti-Bernie/anti-Hillary posts.

[Nitram]

It's just the Russians trying to keep us at each other's throats. And it's working. Don't open posts that are clearly still stuck in the Hillary vs Bernie infinite time loop.

[onecaliberal]

1. Yup

[Afromania]

2. aye

Unlike the other side we have a collection of people with vastly different thoughts, feelings and ideas working together towards livable compromise on everything. Sometimes it's hard to get everybody going in the right direction. Especially right now after as we watch the country plunge headlong into insanity with virtually no power to stop it,

[CousinIT]

3. Indeed. It looks like the goddamned primaries in here.

ENOUGH! We don't have TIME for this shit. We didn't THEN, either.

[cbreezen]

4. This is what I've been trying to do, though

it's not easy.

We have less than 18 months to flip the house and I believe it is time to refocus our collective energy.

When we Democrats show up on election day, we win.

[Eyeball_Kid]

5. Most of us are slow learners.

We just can't get our heads around the reality that Russia has saturated our political landscape. The Sanders/Clinton nonsense is driven by Putin. Anyone who can read is able to determine that, but there seems to be an awkward denial of Russian influence. The same can be said for the French election. The French MUST know that Putin backs Le Pen for Russia's self-interests. Yet the raised Le Pen to super-star status anyway.

[Nitram]

7. It worked. The most virulent "anti" posts made both sides angry with each other.

Now we know the source, let's pick ourselves up and get to work.

[world wide wally]

6. I'm already there

[PearliePoo2]

8. Great idea. It would sure cut down on being asked daily to serve on jury duty! nt.

[m-lekktor]

9. oh please. There are no anti Hillary posts, it's not both sides.

There is a visceral campaign against Bernie and his supporters are responding. Trust me, anything remotely critical of Hillary gets removed within minutes.

[TDale313]

12. Yeah, haven't seen anti-Hillary posts in a long time.

[Akamai]

25. I sure agree with you -- I have not seen anti-Hillary posts in a long time.

[KittyWampus]

71. And yet you ignore Sanders constant insulting comments about the Democratic party.

That isn't a "visceral campaign against Bernie and his supporters".

That's a reasonable response to Sanders' unnecessary, unwise and untrue recent insults towards the Democratic party

And then there's Bernie "supporters" booing the new DNC Chair, Tom Perez.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. This

So long as the posts are about current issues they're valid.

[oldcynic]

94. don't think he is insulting the party

he's trying to define what the Democratic Party is or should be. That's where we need discussion...lots of it...not about a personality...about a platform.

[snort]

72. Good point. I'll give it a shot:

"Speaking of Hillary Clinton, how about those pantsuits, whuuts with that?"

[melman]

90. Absolutely

The both sides narrative is a joke.

[zentrum]

99. Agreed.

[musette_sf]

106. There is a visceral campaign against

WOMEN and their sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights. Mello's regressive record on gestational slavery speaks for itself. Sen Sanders should speak out strongly against such regressives, but he isn't and won't.

LB 1103 Prohibiting Abortions After 20 Weeks of Pregnancy Bill Passed - Senate (44 - 5) Yea

LB 594 Abortion Screening Requirements Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 9) Yea

LB 22 Prohibits Insurance Coverage of Abortion Bill Passed - Senate (37 - 7) Yea

LB 521 Requires Physician Presence During Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (38 - 9) Yea

LB 675 Establishes Procedures for Ultrasounds Performed Prior to Abortions Bill Passed - Senate (40 - 5) Yea

[tavernier]

10. Aren't they tedious?

Sadly, it's hard lately to find any others.
Used to be I could spend an entire morning reading interesting posts. Now I scroll through in 5 minutes and turn off my phone. Oh well, my house is cleaner.

[MuseRider]

11. After all these years

I am almost done here. For long periods of time I could come in and read at least the "Latest Page" and not see too many replies so I could at least read the topic. Then the popular threads started popping up frequently so I stopped looking at them because I knew they would just be crap fighting and nothing of any value. I used Ignore generously during the primaries, never had to do that before this year. Now for the first time today I am going to start trashing threads for the first time.

This site used to include lots of very intelligent discussion. Now it is just hyper personal, rock star love fighting. I was a Bernie supporter, 100% behind him even though he had a few issues I did not agree with. The other day I posted that although I have confidence he supports women and would never vote to take our rights away I was angry with him for his support in Nebraska. You would have thought I was a Bernie hater from day one. Nothing I said about understanding the issue but still wanting an explanation because I was angry brought discussion. Stating again that and stating I still supported him was not enough. I was challenged to provide links about feelings? Aside comments about how people never stop with the Bernie hate just made me realize that some people here do not even read before they start to jump on you.

Fight club was never my desire here. My way or you suck was never my desire here. I came to read and learn, to hear different view points so I could consider and grow. We used to do that but that is so long gone and so bad now that I just have no desire to even come look at anything anymore except a few groups I am interested in. When it devolves into "I fell in love with xxxxxxx" or "I HATE xxxxx" we have lost it all.

It was a good place for a long time, too bad to lose it. I will likely continue for a while but not very actively. I read the Latest today and about half way through I was so bored with the crap that when I saw this thread I felt like adding my opinion. Not that that ever matters except to those who choose to continue the fighting.

[barbtries]

97. MuseRider

I read your entire post. I could have written it. I can't quit DU but it's not the same. it's really not the same. too much bullshit and i think it's trolls, but the trolls are being fed by DUers who are not trolls, but for some reason do not seem to be grasping what is actually relevant right now (that our government has been hijacked, our democracy is in peril, and we need to work and work hard on getting trump and the republicans GONE in time to save it). instead they get pissed at democrats or Bernie, who caucuses with the democrats and is more liberal than most democrats and has been begging his base to vote democratic since the day his candidacy became mathematically non-viable. That was the day i switched my support to Hillary, and that was an education. The bad rap Hillary has gotten through the decades is stunning, really.

this is not limited to DU. I can't watch Young Turks any more pretty much, and it's basically the same thing.

When trump used the MOAB it was hours before i learned about it, and it wasn't on DU. Time was i had all the relevant news first just from hopping on this page a few times a day. no more.

i haven't found another home on the web for me, though i have looked. sigh.

[MuseRider]

102. If you ever find one

please let me know! I will do the same for you.

Too many good people here, not nearly as many as there were but still some really fine and smart people. I just wish you did not have to slog through the BS.

[barbtries]

119. it's a deal

[ProfessorPlum]

13. my strategy is to full ignore anyone

who is deliberately posting known lies, or keeps posting misleading information once it has been demonstrated to be false.

It's the first time in 16 years I've really had to use this feature.

BUT

My Greatest Threads page is starting to look remarkably like the DU that I remember, where people are just discussing topics, etc., and not posting lies and deliberately divisive stuff.

[retrowire]

21. You know what?

I decided to purge my 40+ long ignore list last week and suddenly DU has gotten a lot more virulent.

I guess the people on the ignore list before haven't changed.

[ProfessorPlum]

65. sounds like you had the right ignore list.

[retrowire]

67. And today it's filling up again.

I'm trying to be more tolerant than before though.

Already someone from the original list is back on there. And I found a mule! An account active since 2008 but only having been used in the past 3 months.

[nocalflea]

14. yep.The whole Bernie vs Hillary thing is so 2016.

Time to look forward.

[JudyM]

15. I see very few anti-Hillary posts. Posts about what Bernie is up to are not anti-Hillary but they

are viewed as baiting and bring out mean-spirited responses.

[Iggo]

16. Let 'em sink.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. no, i will not have the democratic party abandon women and POC to chase white men

and i won't be silent while it happens

[retrowire]

20. ...

Good thing literally no one wants this to happen.

[boston bean]

38. LOL!

[LanternWaste]

56. Wanting a thing to happen is much different than enabling a thing a to happen.

Wanting a thing to happen is much different than simply enabling a thing a to happen, regardless of whether that"s a "good thing" or not...

[retrowire]

58. From what I've learned today

He is enabling it and that's bad.

But I don't blame him for being haphazard, he has good intentions and isn't going about it the right way.

[Bettie]

108. No one is asking for that.

No one...except the people who want it to happen so they can say "SEE! SEE! I told you so!".

[Freethinker65]

18. I have been trying to avoid the posts but then get asked to be on DU juries....

So I end up reading quite a few. Ugh

[retrowire]

19. How can we tell who the troll is

And who the victim of trolling is?

For example, I myself have been riled up by what I'm reading and have made posts about it myself.

How the hell can anyone tell? :/

[LakeArenal]

22. I won't rec any side anymore, I only checked this because of the title.

Hope this post can stay up all day and next, too. But it won't. Thanks for posting. I didn't want to do the same because even with this you are opening yourself up to the master baiters.

[Akamai]

23. Yup -- trolls domestic and foreign (Russians, Republicans, Anarchists, etc.) -- are DELIGHTED if

we are at each other's throats.

The more the vitriol they see on this site and others, the larger their smiles are, and the more they may be getting paid.

[elmac]

24. I'm bored with it all

lets just have a 100% fascist meat grinder here, no progressive bashing allowed.

[kimbutgar]

26. I agree the election is over

I am getting particularly angry at the Bernie said the Democratic Party is destroyed. I will start putting these posters in ignore.

[Zoonart]

27. YEP!

[SCantiGOP]

28. 2 simple steps:

for any Bernie/anti-Bernie post:
Ignore; Trash this Thread.

[Sunlei]

39. actually, if you look in breaking news and place the one or two people who post most of the RW

media 'news' stories on ignore it makes a huge difference. To me anyway

general forum not so much because I will ALWAYS support Clinton and Sanders. I always have.

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. I suport your goal, intent and motivaton

Prior to this weekend I had not posted any Pro Bernie OP's since before the Democratic Convention, and I have always steered away from posting attack OP's against Hillary

But you are sounding a lot like CNN in regards to the "scientific debate" on climate change, acting like there are similar numbers of scientists arguing for "each side" There are very very few anti Hillary threads on DU, at least since the 2016 Election review forum closed. There are very very many anti-Bernie threads being posted here daily however.

If a book like "Shattered" came out about Bernie's campaign there would be 8 OP's talking about it with over 200 posts per and over 80 recs each. Bernie people for the most part have just let it be (unless Bernie gets repeatedly attacked). The few threads there are about "Shattered" aren't burning up this place.

I support the spirit and goal of your appeal, but please don't promote false equivalencies.

[Enoki33]

42. If you indeed support the goal, intent and motivation maybe

you should stop the contradiction. Then we can all work towards the common good. Sorry, it was just too much to ignore.

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. It came to a head this weekend I believe

and it got to a point where unilateral disarmament no longer remained a viable option.But I too hope that the fever might finally have broken. Check out my journal, I would like nothing better than going back to attacking Trump together. I am moving away from the bitter exchanges - this was a meta observation that I think needed to be stated since I haven't seen it discussed in light of all that has been going on lately. But even in my participation i threads this past weekend, I said nothing negative toward Hillary Clinton nor towards anyone for supporting and believing in her or her past present or future role in the Democratic Party.

[Enoki33]

95. Thanks for the clarification.

[Justice]

84. Really unfortunate comment to OP.

Bernie is quoted as making anti Democratic party oral comments in the "unity" tour, in interviews and at other events.

Du'ers defended Democratic party against Bernie's poorly worded and really lousy comments.

Bernie people defended Bernie and of course had to throw Hillary under the bus.

That is what happened.

[Nanjeanne]

93. Amen. nt

[enid602]

30. Putin

Anti-bern vs anti-hill = putin's agenda.

[Enoki33]

31. Whole heartedly endorsed here. Enough waste of energies.

[Sunlei]

32. Ignore Republicans trying to denigrate people like Sanders? no we have to fight for OUR good guys.

[emulatorloo]

33. Let them sink!

I'm done posting in them. It has gone from a decent discussion to pathological. Every DU'er is on the left and shares the same core set of values. Enough with the divisiveness.

[boston bean]

35. That is just not true.

[emulatorloo]

41. Maybe not when you get down to the nitty-gritty

I'm speaking more generally about the DU population and trying to be conciliatory. Like you I'm not going to compromise on choice. I do think that majority of DU is not anti-choice. I'd be willing to talk more via PM if you want.

[boston bean]

44. please don't let the fight for the soul of the democratic party pass you by.

There is a concerted effort to make choice... well... not so important in order to win votes of religious evangelicals, or misogynist men who might be open to an economic message.

That cannot happen.

If Dems concede on this, we will have dem politicians who let choice slide... it is extremely important. It is not like one man would like one to believe that more dems will keep choice safe. Because the candidates they run don't support choice. We will have a party that doesn't care anymore about the issue.

[emulatorloo]

47. I promise, I am not gonna let it slide.

I'm very glad Perez strongly re-affirmed the party's commitment to choice. If you come across my posts from the past several days you'll see we share the same viewpoint.

[boston bean]

49. I know. I gots no beefs with you! haha! I just felt it was important to make the distinction in

this thread.

[emulatorloo]

50. Yes

PM'ing you hope that's ok.

[DownriverDem]

37. Thank you

I've been saying the same thing for a long time. Focus people!!!!!!!!

[tblue37]

82. I don't post in those threads, but that means I get called a lot for juries on

those threads, since you can't be on a jury food a post in a thread you have posted in.

It does get old.

[boston bean]

34. to you they may be only anti-bernie/anti-hillary posts.

to many women they posts are about the right to choice and womens rights.

[Kentonio]

40. Where are these mythical DU members who don't solidly support the right to choice and womens rights?

It's a strawman, we're on the same side.

[boston bean]

46. they respond to me constantly.

look for my posts and see who responds.

[Akamai]

116. Would you mind referencing one or two such comments so I know what you're referencing?

as far as I can see, Democratic Underground regulars are extremely supportive of maximizing women's rights.

[boston bean]

117. sure

[Akamai]

121. So what are some of those posts on Democratic underground they do not support women's health issues?

I don't recall seeing any posts here that are opposed to women's reproductive rights, etc. But I sure am willing to be enlightened on this matter. Also, I do not read every thread, or every post within a thread.

[Akamai]

122. When will you show us some of the bad things said to you about Women's reproductive rights?

[DownriverDem]

36. Sounds good to me

We need to focus on beating the crap out of the repubs. Move on folks. We want the same things, but until we get rid of the repub domination it won't happen. Get with it!

[Kentonio]

43. Yep, I'm game. Enough of the in-fighting already.

[Sunlei]

45. Its because Bernies traveling with new DNC and Republicans don't want DNC to be in News coverage.

[NRaleighLiberal]

48. Kick. Rec.

[randr]

51. I am more than happy to see posts discussing actual policies

of any of our candidates. I am sick and tired of the personality cults that have grown and are obscuring a study of the policies and proposals.

[Runningdawg]

52. It seems many here are wasting time

talking about loosers when they should be looking for the new winners. Neither Bernie or Hillary or ANYONE associated with them will be able to win a future election. Wake the hell up and find someone who can!!!!

[oldcynic]

98. yes yes yes yes yes yes yes...........................

[FairWinds]

53. Lets also ignore the "Purity Testers"

[Alice11111]

112. That litmus test is self destructive too

[TryLogic]

54. Some operatives are obviously trying to divide and disrupt Democrats

[Salviati]

55. Seriously, I've been considering reporting them all as "refighting the primaries"

but there are too many for one person to report. The admins should step in before it gets worse.

[Ms. Toad]

73. It doesn't make a whit of difference

I've been reporting quite a few (and voting to delete them the multiple times a day I'm called to jury duty).

Every single post I've reported remains visible (most had already been juried before I reported them - so I'm not the only one who had that reaction to the post. Virtually all of the juries I've been on have voted to leave the posts standing. I've even earned 2-24 hours time-outs from alerting (which I've NEVER had before).

I've also asked the admins to step in via ATA and asking for intervention.

[byronius]

57. It's a weird and obvious thing. Useless. Except to Them.

And Fuck Them.

[Martin Eden]

60. Good advice. I will trash those threads.

Useless arguing with them, especially if the real instigators are indeed trolls with the intent to divide us.

[Pauldg47]

61. Agree.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

62. +1. Agree ...

[LostinRed]

63. And pro Bernie post

[JDC]

64. Already do.

[Perseus]

66. Great Suggestion

I am in...

[Cary]

68. Keep it positive and simple

Vote Democratic!

[Javaman]

69. wack a mole...

as soon as one is ignored another pops up.

quite frankly, for a party that is desperate need of unity, DU is doing a great job of preventing it with all these anti-bernie/anti-hillary threads.

personally, I'm really tired of this juvenile bullshit.

moreover, I'm spending less and less time on this site due to this junior high like mentality.

[L. Coyote]

85. It is a whack-a-troll world. This is well-executed divisiveness, but it won't work.

I feel sorry fot the people who fall for it and enable it unwittingly. I have no sympathy for the trolls.

[snort]

70. Agreed

Amazing how fast a comment can get bounced these days. I told the last shit stirrer to blow it out there ass. Took all of 3 minutes to get booted. That's some sad shit right there.

It strikes me that if Bernie and Hillary were looking at these posts together they would probably look at each other, raise their eyebrows and say "What the fuck"?

[snort]

74. I do keep reading about insulting comments from Sanders.

I sure would like to see a list of 'em. Cuz I'm calling bullshit on that, comrades.

[ProfessorPlum]

75. sorry about that

Mis-read your post

I don't know of any insulting comments from Sanders. And like you, I keep seeing them claimed.

[snort]

80. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that what I've seen is that Bernie endorsed a candidate that

didn't cause all Dems to feel warm and fuzzy inside, and that that has been effectively amplified into the jaw dropping claim that Bernie Sanders is somehow damaging the party.

Anyone playing in to this is running on emotion, not intellect.

Are we the smart party or the easily manipulated party?

[ProfessorPlum]

81. well, many of us are buying the claim

what's more amazing is the sheer number of people making that stupid claim. Makes one pause and think about who is actually here at DU.

[Raster]

101. If I understand correctly, Senator Sanders endorsed an anti-choice Democrat...

... was he supposed to endorse the anti-choice republican?

I have no doubt that Senator Sanders believes in a woman's right to choose. No doubt.

[snort]

103. That's how this stuff gets fucked up.

The guy he endorsed was not personally in favor of abortion but believed in the right to choose. A report about ultra sound requirements running through the State's legislature was amped up to "He's anti-choice" status.

We're being fucked with.

[Raster]

104. I agree. We are being fucked with.

The key words and concepts are Pro-choice and Anti-choice.

And if the truth be told, there are probably quite a few PRO-CHOICE persons that are NOT in favor of abortion personally but whole-heartedly support a woman's right to choose.

[whathehell]

76. Good idea. n/t

[MFM008]

77. Usually do.

Already sick to death of last election.
Focus on next and stopping the bloated maggot.

[bettyellen]

79. I'm trying. Thank you.

[L. Coyote]

83. Been doing that since a year ago.

[Vinca]

86. An excellent suggestion.

[paleotn]

87. Yes!!

[zentrum]

88. Yes. It's become

....creepy. I thought we had rules about not re-opening the primary but it seems okay to call Bernie names, impugn is motives---anything goes.

I'm really turned off. Glad a bunch of pro-Bernie young people are not reading all this or they'd be alienated from the Democratic Party as a one-issue party that won't speak to their concerns beyond this single though important
single issue (choice). Student debt? Jobs? Housing? Police brutality? Muslim banning?

Protecting Planned Parenthood and access to health care and contraception, pre-empts the need, in many cases, for an abortion in the first place. And Mello (as a stand in for Bernie bashing) would sure protect for all those things.

[nini]

89. I'm just ignoring people left and right

No need to even bother with them anymore

[StrictlyRockers]

91. I'm all for it!

I already ignore all of those posts, except to promote unity.
I love both of them.

[Thekaspervote]

92. I've been saying that too!!

Since I only have 350 posts to my name, well seems it doesn't stick. So, glad someone else is saying it! Bernie is gonna be Bernie, he's out there on a unity tour. Hillary is out there too supporting and speaking out

[barbtries]

96. what posts are those?

oh, i already do. i trash them too.

[denverbill]

100. As others have mentioned, better to just put the posters on ignore.

I've done that to a handful of high post-count DUers and it's made a huge difference. Anyone who is still bashing Bernie 6 months after the election is either a Republican, a Russian, an asshole, or an idiot.

[Jersey Devil]

105. I am trashing all strings with Bernie or Hillary in the subject line

Next step is to ignore posters who do it again and again.

It has become unbearable.

[Bettie]

107. You know, I never had an ignore list at all

until this primary season.

This week, it has grown quite a bit.

[yuiyoshida]

109. I have always suspected this plus....

With the recent information about Jack Pine Radicals being on a list of websites influenced by the Russians was an eye opener. It gave me the lesson, to never join a group without fully seeing what its all about. I thought I was doing something noble, but it turned out, it was the wrong place for me to be.

[wildeyed]

110. I'm in.

I wanna beat Trump and the GOP.

[musette_sf]

111. "It's just the Russians trying to keep us at each other's throats."

Are you characterizing the outrage of Democratic women at yet *another* tone-deaf refusal by Sen Sanders to appropriately prioritize the sacred civil, human and Constitutional rights of HALF OF AMERICA, as "the Russians"?

[marlakay]

113. I told my husband tonight if it didn't stop

The site is ruined as a democratic blog helping get them elected.

I joined another senior blog from england and enjoying talking about politics with them. And no one fights there so nice.

[proud patriot]

114. that's what I am doing

[DFW]

115. Good point. Then we could concentrate on the other 3 or 4 posts per day. n/t

[fleabiscuit]

118. Donald Trump to strip all funding from State Department team promoting women's rights...

... AROUND THE WORLD.

A headline that popped up today.

I'm not that concerned about a bit of butt hurt while we debate to get things right next time.

[CaptainTruth]

120. Agreed! We need to focus on the big goal, defeating Trump & the GOP. nt