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lovemydogs

(575 posts)
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:53 PM Apr 2017

Women Will Loose All Rights Because the Economy...

I find this hysteria about women's rights, civil rights, voting rights, ect., to be rather over the top.

If you focus on the economy, on economic fairness and income inequality, it does not mean that suddenly women will not be able to vote, will have to stay home barefoot and pregnant, have to get men's permission to do things. That women will lose their rights and independence. It does not mean that suddenly abortion is illegal.
It does not mean that african americans will suddenly have to go to the back of the bus. Take literacy tests to vote.
It does not mean that the rights of various groups will suddenly disappear.
Afterall, all of these have been under assault for 20 years while the democratic party has put these groups at the forefront while ignoring the working class and middle class.
This is on par with the right believing Obama was a secret Muslim.
People keep believing and talking themselves into a kind of hysterical kind of thinking.
Believing that those who want the party to reconnect with its New Deal roots and reign in Wall Street and the rich, address income inequality is somehow anti democratic and anti american.
Believing that addressing the issues of the working class is somehow going to take away abortion rights and voting rights.
Believing that to point out where the party needs to fix itself and change, to move from the status quo of the party being too cozy with Wall Street while throwing unions under the bus is anti woman.
Or that Bernie Sanders is a secret republican out to destroy the democratic party.

When are people going to stop with the hysteria and take a deep breath. Get in touch with common sense. Realize that both sides want what is best for the party.
Just because we see things differently does not make the other side evil.
Let's just sit down, gather out thoughts and talk to one another in a mature manner. Discuss what it is that scares you, what it is that you hope for and like. Discuss why you are either a centrist or a progressive.
It is not being anti democratic party to say the party needs to do some introspection and to address the things that are hurting it.
Things will not resolve themselves and the party will not grow and move forward as long as we talk past each other and imagine all kinds of 'ghost stories' to scare ourselves with.
It does not help to rage about something yet, not be willing to listen to the other side.
It is so important for people stop demonizing.

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Women Will Loose All Rights Because the Economy... (Original Post) lovemydogs Apr 2017 OP
Yeah, like we didn't get to vote because of the war Warpy Apr 2017 #1
Very true! hamsterjill Apr 2017 #2
That's the key here, the anti-choice politicians who are pushing laws to erode basic Vesper Apr 2017 #4
Oh, brother. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #3
Made me lol sister!! boston bean Apr 2017 #47
Welcome to DU irisblue Apr 2017 #5
There there, ladies. Don't get hysterical. RedWedge Apr 2017 #6
We just need to go to the doctor for a hand job or a prescription for one of those newfangled KittyWampus Apr 2017 #18
No. It's pretty much anti-progressive and anti-Democratic to support candidates who Vesper Apr 2017 #7
I don't believe for a minute your use of "hysteria" was an accidental insult.... bettyellen Apr 2017 #8
Yup. They do like to announce themselves, don't they? Squinch Apr 2017 #10
Agree. Obvious is obvious. nt DURHAM D Apr 2017 #15
I know... such poor word choice. Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #17
DO you find this "hysteria" to be over the top? Gosh, then that settles it. Squinch Apr 2017 #9
I guess you haven't heard that the GOP is trying to stop Ilsa Apr 2017 #11
Thank you very much for explaining to us "hysterical" women NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #12
Oh, silly politics! Let the MEN handle that for me. Here's what I should be doing... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #14
Jackie, I bet you didn't do ANY ironing today! Shame on you! You can't be in my fundamentalist Squinch Apr 2017 #30
I wanna go back in time with you and nurse jackie and do this! boston bean Apr 2017 #48
I think the fifties must have been the seventh circle of hell. No wonder all those women Squinch Apr 2017 #51
The valium sounded good!! Haha boston bean Apr 2017 #53
LOL! The only time I ever took it was when I was given it to take before I got my wisdom Squinch Apr 2017 #54
hysteria misogynist dog whistle JenniferJuniper Apr 2017 #40
Yesterday. Squinch Apr 2017 #55
I love my dogs too but this is not hard to understand. JHan Apr 2017 #13
+1000 Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #26
What mercuryblues Apr 2017 #16
THIS IS EXCELLENT! THE PERFECT ANSWER TO THIS NONSENSE! Squinch Apr 2017 #31
Ugh. George II Apr 2017 #19
Women worrying their pretty little heads about rights? johnp3907 Apr 2017 #20
Why if the little ladies would just get on with fixing dinner and let the men folk worry Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #25
Abortion rights have been under attack for decades Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #21
Never thought I would have to watch my left flank... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #28
This poster does not represent any sort of "flank" jberryhill Apr 2017 #33
You are right...just being a smart ass. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #39
"Loose"? Really? trof Apr 2017 #22
"Discuss why you are either a centrist or progressive" LOL! betsuni Apr 2017 #23
From hysterical loose women, of course. BainsBane Apr 2017 #50
Calling women hysterical...now that won't end well... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #24
Oh well. Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #27
So much wrong with this post...first, nice coded language with "hysteria" Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #29
Good points n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #32
Hysteria? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34
"these groups at the forefront while ignoring the working class" jberryhill Apr 2017 #35
This is a false dilemma fallacy. J_William_Ryan Apr 2017 #36
The two are inextricable! MountCleaners Apr 2017 #52
Ghost stories? When the DNC fucks up, we must speak up! countryjake Apr 2017 #37
I have yet to read a post accusing others of "hysteria" that wasn't itself a prime example thereof. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #38
Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay! VOX Apr 2017 #41
Loose the dogs of war! MineralMan Apr 2017 #42
If you value any of your civil rights, stop voting for centrist neoliberals pecosbob Apr 2017 #43
Jesus Fucking Christ. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #44
the word is LOSE Skittles Apr 2017 #45
Make feel real loose, like a long-neck goose... MineralMan Apr 2017 #46
I miss Pinboy3niner BainsBane Apr 2017 #49

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
1. Yeah, like we didn't get to vote because of the war
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 04:59 PM
Apr 2017

There is always something out there more pressing than the rights of the female half of the population.

No more. I will never vote for an antichoice politician because I know s/he will not respect any of my rights.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
2. Very true!
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:02 PM
Apr 2017

I will not vote to erode the rights that have been a part of the Democratic platform for decades - those rights being WHY I am a Democrat to begin with.

What I will do is my best to have a choice of Democratic candidates who support full equality, including a woman's right to choose. I will not vote for an anti-choice politician.

 

Vesper

(229 posts)
4. That's the key here, the anti-choice politicians who are pushing laws to erode basic
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:08 PM
Apr 2017

human rights are not the same as those who have personal beliefs. I don't care what you believe personally and apply to yourself, but the second you start introducing legislation to undermine autonomy, access to healthcare and forcing unnecessary medical procedures to push your propaganda, you're done.

If you can't honor basic human rights of women, you're untrustworthy, period. Anyone who's saying this isn't a deal breaker is suspect as well. The worst thing about the Trump voters is that they saw all he did and all he said and voted for him anyway. Doesn't matter if you were stupid enough to believe he'd create jobs or bring coal back, despite knowing better, you saw the racism, you saw the misogyny and you were okay with that.

RedWedge

(618 posts)
6. There there, ladies. Don't get hysterical.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:16 PM
Apr 2017

When everyone's paid the same, no one will have a reason to want to control you! There, there, there.

 

Vesper

(229 posts)
7. No. It's pretty much anti-progressive and anti-Democratic to support candidates who
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:17 PM
Apr 2017

are right wing extremists and whose legislative history is the same extreme as Trent Franks and Ted Cruz.

If you sponsored a bill to BAN abortion, attack telemedicine, you're in the wrong party and you can go take a hike.

It's important for people to realize the real life effects such policies have and a smarmy guy saying, " but I won't do it anymore" is not believable, what's hurting this party is letting outsiders create division, but sacrificing women's rights and minority rights to chase after the nazi white males (or those who saw the Nazis and thought, hey, this isn't a deal breaker).

Yes, actually advocating policies that are sadistic, which lead to women's deaths and which deny them basic access to healthcare is evil. That is not debatable. Things will resolve themselves when the disruptive forces realize their crap isn't going to work here and that trying to silence women, POC, the LGBTQ community and all the doctors speaking out on why this is a stupid stance to take, and move on.

I'm really tired of women's voices being silenced because we call out the egregious nature of white men and their nasty things they do to us. Even that term hysteria is steeped in misogyny and silencing of women.

No. Hell no. We see what's going on and we will not be silent as people pat us on the head and tell us to play nice, that more important men's issues are being discussed and that we need to shut up. Hello NO.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
8. I don't believe for a minute your use of "hysteria" was an accidental insult....
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:28 PM
Apr 2017

There's too much a a history around that sexist word choice. I am repulsed.

Ilsa

(61,698 posts)
11. I guess you haven't heard that the GOP is trying to stop
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:46 PM
Apr 2017

newly registered voters from voting in the GA-06 special election runoff, have you? It's only their civil rights being attacked; nothing to get hysterical about.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
12. Thank you very much for explaining to us "hysterical" women
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:49 PM
Apr 2017

that we shouldn't worry our pretty little heads and just let the menfolk do the hard political stuff.

(because people like the OP may take that seriously and nod their heads in agreement)

Squinch

(51,016 posts)
30. Jackie, I bet you didn't do ANY ironing today! Shame on you! You can't be in my fundamentalist
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:10 PM
Apr 2017

housefrau club until you learn the joys of spray starch. And I MEAN it!

Squinch

(51,016 posts)
51. I think the fifties must have been the seventh circle of hell. No wonder all those women
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 04:56 PM
Apr 2017

were hooked on valium.

Squinch

(51,016 posts)
54. LOL! The only time I ever took it was when I was given it to take before I got my wisdom
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 05:39 PM
Apr 2017

teeth out. It made me sing, very loudly, the first line of the theme song to La Cage Aux Folles over an over. And the only words I knew were "La cage aux folles" so it was more like me yelling "la cage aux folles! DA DA DA DA DA DA DA!"

This was in the parking lot, mind you.

Best I should keep away from narcotic substances. I'm a cheap date.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
13. I love my dogs too but this is not hard to understand.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 05:53 PM
Apr 2017

And it amazes me progressives are playing like they don't know, even though I should not be amazed..

After a year where the current President used every dog whistle he could find to insult and degrade women and antagonize brown people, this is what progressives are selling in the aftermath?

There are civil rights and economic issues, they are both intertwined because power sharing in the real world is fraught with difficulty because of human nature.

I keep asking how the hell this became a thing, where economic issues and civil rights are so separate one is supposed to take precedence over the other. It's beginning to sound like "the struggle" must be inoculated of civil rights issues to appeal to a broader base and how did this become discourse worthy to be entertained considering the makeup of the dem base?

It's very simple: When Governments assist women, either through ensuring reproductive choice or through maternity leave or child care/health care benefits, it makes women less dependent on Men. The origins of this understanding and approach are based on the idea that women are deserving of dignity - a social justice issue. Thus, the dynamics of mating changes and men lose the power they ordinarily would have otherwise. There is a reason why Republicans are viciously opposed to protections that help women in this area. It has nothing to do with taxation and "Liberty" and everything to do their hierarchical ideology that places men, specifically white men, at the top. Protections that DEMOCRATS fought for which help marginalized groups are CONSTANTLY under attack.

It's one thing to be pragmatic in certain districts, it's another thing to infuse the DIRECTION of a party with a type of thinking that dismisses social justice as "not important as" other considerations.


mercuryblues

(14,540 posts)
16. What
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:02 PM
Apr 2017

right are you willing to give up for the good of the party? If you expect women (over 1/2 the voters, BTW) should be willing to have their rights ignored and voted against by their own party, you should be willing to give up some rights.

Come on. Let compromise here. I will vote for anti-choice democrats if you vote for Democrats that are willing to scrub the Americans with Disabilities act.

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
25. Why if the little ladies would just get on with fixing dinner and let the men folk worry
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:57 PM
Apr 2017

about important matters...that they shouldn't worry their pretty little heads about ...all would be well ...sarcasm.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
21. Abortion rights have been under attack for decades
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:30 PM
Apr 2017

and the anti-choice people have been getting a lot of wins lately. Now is not the time to put that issue on the back burner. I don't think the liberals/dems should be promoting anyone anti-choice for any reason right now.

I'm thinking these issues just aren't important to the OP. It is easy to think reasonable people are "hysterical" when they express concerns about issues you couldn't care less about.

betsuni

(25,638 posts)
23. "Discuss why you are either a centrist or progressive" LOL!
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 06:49 PM
Apr 2017

Democratic party ignores the working and middle class. Check.
New Deal (FDR). Check.
Wall Street. Check.
Status quo. Check.
Centrist. Check.
Democratic party needs to do introspection/change. Check.
Accusing others of not listening while not listening. Check.
And so much more...

How do you "loose" rights, anyway.

Docreed2003

(16,877 posts)
29. So much wrong with this post...first, nice coded language with "hysteria"
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:09 PM
Apr 2017

Second:

Afterall, all of these have been under assault for 20 years while the democratic party has put these groups at the forefront while ignoring the working class and middle class.


Go back and read that quote very slowly...word by word...The implication of your quote is that working class and middle class includes neither women, nor minorities. That reads like something one could hear on Fox and Friends.

Yes, there are severe economic threats in this country, but I will not sacrifice the fight for women's rights, minority rights or the rights of the LGBT to chase unicorns.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. "these groups at the forefront while ignoring the working class"
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:19 PM
Apr 2017

Because, yeah, women and minorities don't work.

Please go back and tell your buddies how you got people at DU all riled up.

J_William_Ryan

(1,757 posts)
36. This is a false dilemma fallacy.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:19 PM
Apr 2017

There’s no reason why Democrats/liberals/progressives can’t pursue both goals concurrently: economic fairness and income equality while defending the rights and protected liberties of minorities, women, and gay Americans.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
52. The two are inextricable!
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 05:23 PM
Apr 2017

The anti-abortion right is one of the nastiest, most cold-hearted and self-righteous groups out there. They CLAIM they are "pro-life" but support every anti-working-class agenda out there. They enthusiastically align themselves with the union bashers, the polluters, the deregulators, the racists. They do this because they are of a class of people that benefit from screwing everyone else. When they claim to care about "life", they are just plain LYING. I say this out of personal experience. Abortion to them is about defending their paranoid, repressive religious views. Those views are inseparable from their racism, their hatred of economic justice. They persist not because they are misguided but because they seek to preserve their authoritarian religious system that benefits THEM. Dropping bombs on people benefits them. Polluting the earth benefits them. So does calling women "murderers" for wanting access to abortions.

Their whole oppressive system needs to be attacked.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
37. Ghost stories? When the DNC fucks up, we must speak up!
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:36 PM
Apr 2017

Whenever our Party compromises to those moderate and centrist members who oppose abortion, it can only weaken women's hard-won Reproductive Rights and plays directly into the conniving hands of the Rethugs and fanatical religious wingnuts.

Just like when some thought it was fine and dandy to insert the word "rare" into the Party Platform stance on a woman's right to abortion, activists across the country said "WTF!"... we did not get hysterical nor claim evil intent, but went straight to the source, stated the many reasons why it was a defective and extremely dangerous position to promote, and the DNC eventually amended that politically stupid blunder.

I think that the best way to stop so much of what you call "talking past" one another (and I do agree that it's been pretty wild around here, for some time) is to unglue one's fingers from the keyboards, go offline, and get out there in each of our local areas to talk to actual faces with honest brains behind them. Organizing is what is necessary at this point in such a volatile political atmosphere and we cannot build the required solidarity by continually conversing with anonymous shadows of the Internet.

And, welcome to DU!

Also, here's a bit of friendly advice, no disrespect meant in any way, just the proofreader in me rearing up:

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
38. I have yet to read a post accusing others of "hysteria" that wasn't itself a prime example thereof.
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:39 PM
Apr 2017

pecosbob

(7,544 posts)
43. If you value any of your civil rights, stop voting for centrist neoliberals
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 07:49 PM
Apr 2017

They will use our civil rights like chips at a poker table to further their agenda..which is to make the world a safer place for Monsanto and Colonel Sanders. See them as they are, Republicans with more curb appeal. Predatory corporations are not your ally nor are their enablers. Vote for truly progressive candidates. Encourage your friends and neighbors to run for office. We in Nevada are trying to convince our current member of the House Dina Titus to run for Dean Heller's Senate seat in the next election.

Back sometime in the eighties, the Dem Party decided it was okay to cozy up to the junk bond salesmen and other corporate predators. They encouraged local municipalities to mortgage their city's futures on moronic investments that benefitted only the Wall Street predators behind them. They enabled the quick-march retreat from meaningful infrastructure investment and have abdicated our responsibility to educate our young to the predatory charter school corporations. Now that the municipalities are all broke, the neoliberals sit back and watch while the Republicans sell off all our remaining public assets to the lowest bidder (their business partners typically).

Vote progressive and you will get progressive. Vote centrist and get more of the same bullshit.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
49. I miss Pinboy3niner
Tue Apr 25, 2017, 08:52 PM
Apr 2017

He would have responded to this with a keen wit that got to the heart of the falseness of this argument. He was a good man, a very good man. The world is worse without him.

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