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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-white-houses-creeping-fear-about-michael-flynnThe White House's Creeping Fear About Michael Flynn
By Josh Marshall
Published April 27, 2017, 1:05 PM EDT
In early March, as part of my Innocent Explanation series, I discussed what I called the Mailer Standard. You can read the full background here. But the gist is that sometimes people cover up not because they know theyre guilty but because they dont know. They dont know whether theyre guilty or not. So they dont know what investigators might find. In that case it was about the Kennedy assassination and the almost endless list of bad guys, unreliables and unknowns the CIA was working with in the early 1960s. I have long thought that something similar might be at work with the Trump administration with respect to the campaigns ties to Russia and possibly Russias election interference campaign.
It is important to remember that many of the people who now work in the Trump White House didnt work on the campaign.The campaign was also almost comically disorganized. So if we were to posit the existence of a group of campaign staffers who were colluding with the Russian election interference campaign, I wouldnt assume that other people on the campaign knew that was happening or knew the details.
A few moments ago Abby Phillip of The Washington Post was on CNN discussing the latest revelations about Michael Flynn and said something that rang very true to me.
Heres the transcript
As I said, this rings very true to me.
Remember, whos making these document production and compliance decisions? Probably the White House Counsels Office. Thats Donald McGahn. He wasnt on the campaign. Hes a party loyalist GOP lawyer. Does he even know the full story on Flynn? I doubt it. Does he even know all the details about Trump himself? I wouldnt assume that either.
Is the White House covering up? Of course they are. Maybe its because they know the truth is that explosive. Or maybe its because they simply dont know what a real investigation would find.
The deeper point to remember is that we keep hearing that Flynn wasnt vetted before being appointed National Security Advisor. This is true but also pretty much beside the point. He was toe to toe with Trump for seven or eight months before the election. He was not just his top foreign policy advisor but one of his top advisors period. His influence was profound. But its clear now and it was clear to many people at the time that Flynn was a totally unreliable character. We didnt know quite how much. But plenty was known. But that didnt stop Trump from hooking up with him. That also didnt stop him from hooking up with Paul Manafort and making him his campaign manager. This notwithstanding the fact that even if we dont assume any intelligence funny business with Russia, Manafort was still about as dirty as they come in that line of work.
If you assume Trump was a total naif through this process (something I by no means assume), the campaign was still an infiltrators nirvana: no vetting, utterly disorganized, a candidate who treated as gospel whatever he was hearing from the last hanger on who talked to him. Does this all worry the White House? Theyd be crazy if it didnt.
brush
(53,826 posts)but Newsflash: Obama fired Flynn.
They leave that part out.
JanetLovesObama
(548 posts)in 2016 after he fired him in 2014? Somebody please explain. Thanks so much.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Because they do not know what might be in it?
One might think a good American might be open to open and transparent information?
It says a lot.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Politics is kind of like teaching: Everyone has seen the job being done, and most people are pretty sure they could do better. The reality is that politics and teaching require a very definite set of skills and knowledge, and newcomers to both professions are often overwhelmed by all the stuff they didn't know, not to mention the stuff they didn't know they needed to know. Complete novices are in even worse shape.
Rookies to the federal government are constantly running afoul of all the arcane rules and minutiae they don't know anything about. That's why every administration has a staff of compliance people, ethics consultants, and rules consultants. From his history as a businessman, it's clear that Trump cares nothing for courtesies and protocols (except when he thinks someone else has taken a shortcut against him), and his equally inexperienced staff takes their cue from him. No rules. No customs. No traditions. Just do what you want to do; you're important and what you say, goes!
Now that the administration has been installed, some career political hands are slipping in, handling some of the stuff that the campaign staff knew and knows nothing about. I'm sure they're appalled. Can this Augean Stable be cleaned out short of re-routing the Potomac River? How long will the pros' dedication to professional politics withstand the instinct for self-preservation? Every time a non-campaign staffer leaves the White House these days, you have to assume they came up against something so bad that they didn't want to risk hanging around anymore.
babylonsister
(171,079 posts)making me look up Augean Stable. That was pretty perfect.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/augean-stables
Examples
plural noun, Classical Mythology.
1.
the stables in which King Augeas kept 3000 oxen, and which had not been cleaned for 30 years. The cleaning of these stables was accomplished by Hercules, who diverted the river Alpheus through them.
And this: I wonder also.
How long will the pros' dedication to professional politics withstand the instinct for self-preservation?
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)And evil. And they brazenly ignore the rules, laws, and regulations. They make me ill.