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Eko

(7,347 posts)
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:06 PM Apr 2017

Sanders: Obama's paid Wall Street speech 'distasteful'

Sen. Bernie Sanders believes former President Barack Obama's plan to receive $400,000 for speaking at a September Wall Street health conference is "distasteful," The Vermont Independent reported Friday.
Speaking with CNN's Suzanne Malveaux, Sanders labeled the transaction "not a good idea" and said he was "sorry President Obama made that choice."
"I just think it does not look good," Sanders said. "I just think it is distasteful -- not a good idea that he did that."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/bernie-sanders-obama-wall-street-speech/

Interesting.

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Sanders: Obama's paid Wall Street speech 'distasteful' (Original Post) Eko Apr 2017 OP
I predict that a storm is coming. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #1
Is a speech the same as being a lobbyist? kentuck Apr 2017 #2
No, a speech on healthcare to a conference is not the same as being a lobbyist, pnwmom Apr 2017 #6
So what? nt geek tragedy Apr 2017 #3
Sander said something Eko Apr 2017 #5
I wish sanders would just SHUT UP! n/t chillfactor Apr 2017 #4
Me, too! Laurian Apr 2017 #14
Agreed Gothmog Apr 2017 #179
Oh I want him to keep talking because like the other poster said there's a underthematrix Apr 2017 #197
I hope that is true. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #222
me too!!! samnsara Apr 2017 #229
After the pro-lifer support his outrage does ring rather hallow. Amimnoch Apr 2017 #243
Yup sheshe2 Apr 2017 #271
+111 treestar Apr 2017 #274
You know what I find distasteful? GoCubsGo Apr 2017 #7
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #42
+1 SledDriver Apr 2017 #217
+1 NurseJackie Apr 2017 #223
Endorsed. NT Adrahil Apr 2017 #287
+1 intheozone Apr 2017 #311
Me too! I voted for him in the primary, but wouldn't again. n/t moonscape Apr 2017 #325
Couldn't have said it better myself.n/t Lil Missy Apr 2017 #328
+1 onetexan May 2017 #355
I feel exactly the same way. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah May 2017 #362
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Ha! Eko Apr 2017 #76
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And the crowd goes wild! OilemFirchen Apr 2017 #9
Okay,he was invited to give his Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #10
Changed the narrative? He hasn't given the speech yet. YOHABLO Apr 2017 #175
Narrative being ACA. Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #182
You know what he is going to talk about already ? nm MichMan Apr 2017 #320
Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #11
He's taking money for a speech from the very people who are fucking the middle class over! YOHABLO Apr 2017 #176
You need to get it. Get the real story at the link below. Sanders and Warren owe Obama an apology. brush Apr 2017 #279
Cantor Fitzgerald is an investment bank, not the Alamo of 9/11. rug Apr 2017 #299
He is a private citizen and it is none of your business... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #292
Yep, his words will end up in GOP ads. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #224
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #12
Did anyone ask Sen. Sanders about Trump's weekends at Mar-A-Lago? gratuitous Apr 2017 #13
He wouldn't hold back. He never does. I agree that is where the media should be looking Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #20
Sanders was asked a question, he answered it gratuitous Apr 2017 #23
Pres. Obama is now a private citizen and deserves spooky3 Apr 2017 #63
Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #276
I just have to say...I am done...won't listen to another word that comes out of his mouth. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #225
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Apr 2017 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Apr 2017 #123
Most people learn to think before they speak. brer cat Apr 2017 #143
Get the real story of CF in the link below. Sanders and Warren owe Obama an apology. brush Apr 2017 #280
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Apr 2017 #43
Seriously Bernie w/ all due respect, please stick to OldHippieChick Apr 2017 #15
Oh, please shut up already, Senator EffieBlack Apr 2017 #16
+1. n/t rzemanfl Apr 2017 #106
+1 R B Garr Apr 2017 #203
Amen! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #340
Who care what he thinks? ellie Apr 2017 #17
I do and millions more do too PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #36
You're interested in hearing someone criticize one of the more popular Democratic Presidents EVER? George II Apr 2017 #44
Someone said/asked "who cares what Bernie says", well I happen to PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #55
The Republicans care too...ad fodder. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #226
Sure, okay /eyeroll PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #231
How are those eyerolls workin' out for ya? Cha May 2017 #354
April 28 2017. n/t Chevy Apr 2017 #58
So he should be above criticism because he's popular? melman Apr 2017 #165
Complaining about how he provides for his family is not "criticism". George II Apr 2017 #167
No because he is a former Democratic president...and if you care about electing progressives, you Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #228
Did you agree with Obama on TPP? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #233
He was president then, and no I did not agree but I did not bash him in public Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #236
If that's the case, should primaries be cupcake shows? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #244
This has noting to do with primaries, but yes until we stop Trump, I am fine Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #245
I want honesty and that means telling the hard truth PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #264
I showed you twitter posts yesterday...and out of hundreds bashing Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #293
You're sure off to an aggressive start here, aren't you? Hekate Apr 2017 #330
TPP is one issue - there are hundreds of issues that a President has to deal with.... George II Apr 2017 #263
Correct, and? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #266
Yes, just so you know. But it did not get past the GOP, and Obama is now out of office. Hekate Apr 2017 #329
No of course not PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #232
I think we've been thru this before. The senator needs to learn to keep it in-house brush Apr 2017 #283
I disagree PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #291
You did read the link? brush Apr 2017 #306
I did indeed, I disagree PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #307
Yeah, I can think if about 650 people who used to work for that company that would feel it's... George II Apr 2017 #309
You know who politicizes 9/11? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #322
Now Obama is a republican? George II Apr 2017 #324
He is? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #326
So disingenuous. Hekate Apr 2017 #332
No.. "millions" don't care THIS much uponit7771 Apr 2017 #47
Actually they do PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #57
That's no doubt NOT the dem base uponit7771 Apr 2017 #61
Bernie has very high numbers PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #66
Good try, I said dem base, Russians tried the similar last year ... we didn't by it then either uponit7771 Apr 2017 #70
Bernie has a high approval among Dem base and it's not a Russian thing PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #147
No he doesn't. George II Apr 2017 #168
Yes he does. PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #218
Where did that come from? It looks like question #70 of some poll, what were the other 69 or more.. George II Apr 2017 #246
He's rapidly losing whatever support he had with the Democratic base. Fla Dem Apr 2017 #209
There was just an article Salon PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #219
Obama's are higher. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #239
Pres. Obama's are higher and this criticism can only hurt Sen. Sanders in terms of Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #237
Obama is also not a current politician PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #241
Exactly, but he will always be popular. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #250
Because Wall Street is an important issue PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #251
Your post makes no sense whatsoever...the only regulation of Wall Street was passed by Pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #294
I disagree PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #242
What indies? GOP types pretending to be Sander's supporters? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #248
There are no indies who vote Dems PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #255
So you are an 'independent' criticizing president Obama... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #297
Where have I criticized Obama? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #300
Oh please... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #304
May you have another? lol PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #305
Uh huh. Hekate Apr 2017 #333
Ok that's twice, what is JPR? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #334
republicans and republicans in independents' clothing played a big part last year. George II Apr 2017 #262
It's a lot more than that PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #267
There was just a poll that had both Obama and Bernie on it BainsBane Apr 2017 #119
GWB once had 90% popularity too. nt stevenleser Apr 2017 #286
Sanders and Warren owe Obama an apology. Get the real story on CF from the link below brush Apr 2017 #281
I don't and a lot of people who are his fans don't Cha Apr 2017 #348
And Millions don't. Cha Apr 2017 #350
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Who Cares? Leith Apr 2017 #19
Speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald for gosh sakes OKNancy Apr 2017 #21
Excellent points, thanks for bringing that up. Not your typical "Wall Street" company. George II Apr 2017 #46
Cantor-Fitzgerald :( Cha Apr 2017 #79
+1 musette_sf Apr 2017 #97
Me, too.. musette.. all these Knee Jerkers need to give Cha Apr 2017 #125
A Facebook post that clearly articulates my thoughts on this: musette_sf Apr 2017 #204
Wow! Mahalo, musette! Cha Apr 2017 #207
My sister's best friend from high school worked at Cantor musette_sf Apr 2017 #208
+infinity. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #272
My friend Danny T. worked at Cantor and died that day. SticksnStones May 2017 #360
I was working in the Trust department of a bank on 9/11 and we would get wire transfers Boomerproud Apr 2017 #122
:( Cha Apr 2017 #128
Thank you, Nancy Cha Apr 2017 #75
+ 1 -- I have mentioned the same information on social media musette_sf Apr 2017 #89
+1 betsuni Apr 2017 #104
You'd think he was speaking at Liberty University, or something. BainsBane Apr 2017 #115
Ouch! betsuni Apr 2017 #142
Ah but there is always an excuse for when Bernie does something. stevenleser Apr 2017 #336
It's utterly transparent BainsBane Apr 2017 #339
Given that, I'm surprised Obama demanded so much. GeorgeGist Apr 2017 #270
That was a terrible day for these folks. Wellstone ruled Apr 2017 #284
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #22
Posts, 4, 14, 7.8, 15, 16, 17, 18 .19, 21, 22 Me. Apr 2017 #24
Ouch! sheshe2 Apr 2017 #50
Thank you, Me.! President Obama is giving a Cha Apr 2017 #121
I wish they'd hurry up. lapucelle Apr 2017 #186
This is my first post re Bernie Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #25
You probably hate koala bears, too, don't you? randome Apr 2017 #27
Did he skype in from one of his multiple houses? SaschaHM Apr 2017 #26
The absorption of Russian propaganda by a significant number of Sanders voters is distasteful. I was blm Apr 2017 #28
Funnily enough, it was Guccifer crap that opened my eyes wide about the propaganda... bettyellen Apr 2017 #31
I was with you rufus dog Apr 2017 #71
Most Sanders voters went for Hillary in the general - the ones who didn't sure were vocal though. nt Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #132
i think this is a problem and i would also say the loudest ones don't always have good intentions JI7 Apr 2017 #181
True on both sides of this. JudyM Apr 2017 #259
being paid for speeches is nothing more than capitalism Takket Apr 2017 #29
What does that even mean? I hate all this coy bullshit and vague bettyellen Apr 2017 #30
Not again, Bernie... LexVegas Apr 2017 #32
Like clockwork, Bernie Sanders compares Obama getting paid for a speech Cha Apr 2017 #33
Ralph Nader. Why am I being so reminded of Ralphie? Hekate Apr 2017 #74
That was a despicable comparison BS gave Cha Apr 2017 #84
Seriously, with friends like these, who needs enemies? nt Hekate Apr 2017 #113
He's made it clear.. Cha Apr 2017 #117
BS reminds me of a houseguest who immediately moves your furniture around, criticizes the meals... Hekate Apr 2017 #145
Good old Ralph Nader the phoney Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #278
Nader had his day, in which he did good work. But he changed, and I guess he decided... Hekate Apr 2017 #288
He suffers from diarrhea of the mouth. grossproffit Apr 2017 #34
Independent, Libertarian, what's the difference? randome Apr 2017 #37
+1, Sanders hasn't learned anything!!!!! uponit7771 Apr 2017 #39
Oh for chrissakes, Bernie NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #35
Oh come on, who gives a shit anymore WHAT you think about one of the most popular Presidents? George II Apr 2017 #38
Sanders should just say "I don't know him" and be done with it. betsuni Apr 2017 #40
Why? Why would he do that? What's going on in his head? What's he thinking? How... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #41
Not from me.... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #51
I completely understand. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #68
;) sheshe2 Apr 2017 #92
The tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that. betsuni Apr 2017 #69
That's the problem. He doesn't think. Just speaks robotically. ecstatic Apr 2017 #164
Someone convinced Sanders his opinion is more needed than it really is. Now he protest too much ... uponit7771 Apr 2017 #45
Your followers thought likewise about the amount you paid for your lakefront home Bernie Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #48
And another thing. Sander never released his taxes. Now that's distasteful. brush Apr 2017 #285
600k for a summer home. Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #49
Jesus Christ, Sanders, shut the fuck up and go away will you? Sarandon part deux. NBachers Apr 2017 #52
Considering the news of the past 24 hours I think Bernie should not judge others. n/t. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #54
What news? lunamagica Apr 2017 #166
. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #169
Thanks! lunamagica Apr 2017 #173
Oh, ouch Hekate Apr 2017 #289
So long .... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #56
My god. I wanna say /):$;$:&:$:;)):):)$/$(&-@-'dhd boston bean Apr 2017 #59
I know exactly what you mean... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #341
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #60
It opened up an unnecessary can of worms SHRED Apr 2017 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #64
President Obama has earned the right to get paid for his Cha Apr 2017 #72
Yes he is however... SHRED Apr 2017 #81
There's no "however", only Sanders silly ass'd WS speech position against Obama & HRC are "however" uponit7771 Apr 2017 #86
BS "opened the can of worms" with his nasty comparison.. Cha Apr 2017 #88
Wow Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #171
Yes, knee jerking will do Cha Apr 2017 #178
Yes...I'm sure if Bernie hadn't said anything... SHRED Apr 2017 #220
He is a certain crowd's Emmanuel Goldstein. n/t QC Apr 2017 #247
You're deflecting from what BS actually said.. Cha Apr 2017 #337
The speech is in September. betsuni Apr 2017 #73
At Cantor-Fitzgerald.. 9/11 :( Cha Apr 2017 #77
Hadn't seen that, thanks. So tired of wading through all the misinformation crap. betsuni Apr 2017 #91
Quite the distinction of WHERE he's speaking on Wall Street Cha Apr 2017 #94
They've changed the goalposts to "It's not that he's giving a speech, it's WHERE the money betsuni Apr 2017 #99
Exaclty.. more Knee Jerkism Cha Apr 2017 #101
Sanders silly ass'd WS speech position is the can of worms not someone getting paid for work .... uponit7771 Apr 2017 #83
Mahalo, uponit.. Cha Apr 2017 #90
Thx cha... check this shit out ... just found it on CNN uponit7771 Apr 2017 #102
I wondered what this shit was about.. Cha Apr 2017 #108
What do you have against Cantor Fitzgerald? They didn't cause the 2008 crash pnwmom Apr 2017 #212
Just who is opening that can of worms? kcr May 2017 #361
OK, Bernie I like you BUT this is ridiculous. Doreen Apr 2017 #65
Of all the things Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #67
What has happened with Sanders recently? uponit7771 Apr 2017 #78
foot in mouth disease emulatorloo Apr 2017 #151
Problems at home, maybe? Ninsianna Apr 2017 #210
Nothing. He's always been that way. BainsBane Apr 2017 #249
At some point the Far Left always meets the Far Right. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #80
Ain't it the truth! Hitler and Stalin most outrageous examples. n/t VOX Apr 2017 #98
BS we can do it Apr 2017 #82
I might be interested in his opinion.... Adrahil Apr 2017 #85
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #87
President Obama is now a private citizen GulfCoast66 Apr 2017 #95
Another Bernie post guaranteed to promote harmony on DU. VOX Apr 2017 #96
President Obama is going to give a speech to Cantor Fitzgerald Cha Apr 2017 #100
He really should try to follow your example of calm, reasoned discourse. QC Apr 2017 #105
Haha.. you guys can't get over 2008.. most people have Cha Apr 2017 #111
Seriously melman Apr 2017 #149
Yes, "seriously" you should all try to move on from Cha Apr 2017 #180
Was the quote somehow misconstrued? Eko Apr 2017 #109
Did Sanders not say that? Adrahil Apr 2017 #161
Distasteful is making money off a toxic dump in a poor neighborhood nini Apr 2017 #103
+10000000000000 BainsBane Apr 2017 #120
Thank you! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #129
++++++ brer cat Apr 2017 #140
Sierra Blanca is the first thing I thought of as well emulatorloo Apr 2017 #146
His purity test fails when you look at things he has done nini Apr 2017 #156
Yes! That was truly disgusting and showed the man's character. Sanders never fooled me lunamagica Apr 2017 #157
from my understanding, that is a pretty far afield mischaracterization of what happened. nt JCanete Apr 2017 #211
Read this: BainsBane Apr 2017 #308
Cantor Fitzgerald cannot be compared to the vulture funds. Dawson Leery Apr 2017 #107
How much does Bernie want for a speaking engagement? Retrograde Apr 2017 #110
President Obama is speaking @ Cantor-Fitzgerald in September Cha Apr 2017 #114
That is a very disingenuous statement you got there. Where did you get it? YOHABLO Apr 2017 #184
There's nothing "disingenuous" about.. that's your insulting Cha Apr 2017 #188
Senators are prohibited from giving paid speeches. Have to wait till they leave government. betsuni Apr 2017 #135
I agree. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2017 #116
Oh good God! GMAFB! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #126
".. the perception".. Wah! Cha Apr 2017 #131
Oh the "perception". President Obama is giving a speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald.. Cha Apr 2017 #130
Colbert had a joke about that last night BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #137
So? Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too Cha Apr 2017 #185
Why is it wrong to be ambitious? Isn't that the American spirit? radius777 Apr 2017 #118
President Obama is giving a speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald in September.. Cha Apr 2017 #124
Yes, they're a more progressive company that radius777 Apr 2017 #159
I am proud of Pres Obama! and want him to be FREE!! to do as he wishes no matter the naysayers! Madam45for2923 Apr 2017 #127
I would have done the same thing - good for Obama. Lucky Luciano Apr 2017 #133
I find it funny RazBerryBeret Apr 2017 #134
If Obama said something like that Eko Apr 2017 #136
yeah. RazBerryBeret Apr 2017 #139
Fuck off, Bernie! It's none of your fucking business. 6000eliot Apr 2017 #138
The last FEC filing might be interesting, too. murielm99 Apr 2017 #187
hahaha goldenpapers98 Apr 2017 #141
Sanders should primary Obama in 2020 emulatorloo Apr 2017 #144
Yeah, this speech thing is the last establishment straw, man. I'm never voting for Obama again!11! betsuni Apr 2017 #148
... emulatorloo Apr 2017 #150
Not sure I can back that, Eko Apr 2017 #152
Bernie is not a big fan of wall street. egduj Apr 2017 #153
Obama Eko Apr 2017 #154
I need the money, so I might take it mvd Apr 2017 #170
Yeah, knee jerk... he should have investigated a little further.. Cha Apr 2017 #192
Sanders isn't a Democrat jack69 Apr 2017 #155
Doesn't matter. He has a voice and a huge following listening to him. YOHABLO Apr 2017 #174
I'm a registered Democrat and I voted for Sanders. David__77 Apr 2017 #303
Given the Russians and the cheating GOP a pass are you? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #312
I consider that candidates are responsible for winning or losing. David__77 Apr 2017 #316
I see. Don't agree with that assessment. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #323
President Obama has donated over one million dollars when he was President still_one Apr 2017 #158
Thank you! betsuni Apr 2017 #160
The Obama's just signed a book deal for $65 million YOHABLO Apr 2017 #189
It's the "Obamas" and so what? You're trying to smear them Cha Apr 2017 #194
bullshit. What will ruin those middle class lives is those self-identified holier than thou still_one Apr 2017 #195
Hey Aloha, still_one.. Mahalo for this! Cha Apr 2017 #193
Thanks Cha. I am really fed up with these self-righteous purists. still_one Apr 2017 #201
Knee Jerkers who owe President Obama an apology.. Cha Apr 2017 #202
This sheshe2 Apr 2017 #275
Did he or Warren ask about the topic of the speech before going on the attack? ecstatic Apr 2017 #162
I agree with Bernie here mvd Apr 2017 #163
Agree all you want.. BS knee jerked and people are not happy about that.. Cha Apr 2017 #191
I still don't agree. I am with Bernie mvd Apr 2017 #199
Pres. Obama is a private citizen,but your post points out an important problem... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #314
What bothers me most is he's taking money from Cantor Fitzgerald !! YOHABLO Apr 2017 #172
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too Cha Apr 2017 #183
It doesn't bother me at all...let him speak where he chooses... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #317
I really do not care what Sanders thinks about this Gothmog Apr 2017 #177
You don't have to care about anything. YOHABLO Apr 2017 #190
Well, he did step into it by his knee jerk reaction.. Cha Apr 2017 #196
That spin is pretty bad.(editing out the ossoff thing, because according to Wapo he has said that). JCanete Apr 2017 #214
I found this attack on President Obama to be sad Gothmog Apr 2017 #235
It wasn't smart. Cha Apr 2017 #338
Umm....Bernie.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #198
I say take what they'll pay! and grow the Obama Foundation & The Library. Sunlei Apr 2017 #200
Bingo. Those are not going to come cheap. nt Hekate Apr 2017 #206
I tend to stay out of the Bernie/Hillary muck. But, THIS...THIS is just diarrhea of the mouth. AgadorSparticus Apr 2017 #205
And, they actually owe President Obama an apology Cha Apr 2017 #216
"I tend to stay out of the Bernie/Hillary muck. But, THIS...THIS is just diarrhea of the mouth." LenaBaby61 May 2017 #356
I pray all this rancor about Obama on the speaking circuit and earning a check for it goes in mfcorey1 Apr 2017 #213
The sanctimony is tiring. madaboutharry Apr 2017 #215
+1 (Thank you.) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #227
I am done...how dare Sen. Sanders criticize a Democratic former president. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #221
Influence peddling is no big deal I guess. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #230
INFLUENCE PEDDLING. betsuni Apr 2017 #234
I'm sure if someone gave you 400k for a speech you'd be completely nuetral about them, right? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #238
Yes I would, because I'm not weak and stupid and greedy. betsuni Apr 2017 #253
Obama is a Rare Talent and most people are not able to give speeches like he does JI7 Apr 2017 #342
Influence for what? BainsBane Apr 2017 #254
He is a powerful influence in the democrat party. It's indisputable. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #256
DEMOCRAT PARTY! betsuni Apr 2017 #257
I have to repeat: THE DEMOCRAT PARTY! It's indisputable betsuni Apr 2017 #258
changed thought mid sentance. I leave it up just so can giggle about it. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #265
Past tense BainsBane Apr 2017 #260
Whatever shady shit you're totally not officially accusing Bernie of doing, doesn't excuse Obama killbotfactory Apr 2017 #268
At least Obama's released several years of tax records BainsBane Apr 2017 #296
there is nothing to excuse about Obama. he is getting paid for a speech . he is one of the best JI7 Apr 2017 #344
"democrat party"? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #318
is there a problem with Tom Perez ? a former popular president of the party will always be JI7 Apr 2017 #343
Do you ever stop to think about what you write? Because this attempt at a point is ridiculous stevenleser Apr 2017 #345
Ex presidents have a lot of influence still. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #346
No, they don't. Not about policies regarding Wall Street, and certainly not with the current adminis stevenleser May 2017 #357
I don't see a problem other than focusing criticism on Obama rather than the psychopath in office. Doodley Apr 2017 #240
Tired of the BS. we can do it Apr 2017 #252
Yes he was also troubled by the allegations flogged in Clinton Cash ucrdem Apr 2017 #261
Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #269
How much can you get Bernie ! treestar Apr 2017 #273
If he feels this strongly about it, why did he actively campaign hughee99 Apr 2017 #277
Thought BS wanted to be a Democrat liberal N proud Apr 2017 #282
Here's a thought: maybe Bernie should be Primaried Hekate Apr 2017 #290
It might be time...after all he is all about new blood and grass root activism and all. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #298
I think that might be good. David__77 Apr 2017 #302
A Beauty Of An Idea Me. Apr 2017 #327
Gotta love the "friendly fire" on the liberal side. Blue_Adept Apr 2017 #295
I can totally understand Sanders' perspective. David__77 Apr 2017 #301
I don't understand Sanders attacking a Democratic president in the age of Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #319
BS was knee jerking.. Cha Apr 2017 #347
"BS?" Oh lord... David__77 Apr 2017 #351
Yep, knee jerking. Cha May 2017 #352
Ok Bernie. Your concern has been noted Thrill Apr 2017 #310
I've defended Bernie before, but that's a load of crap. Oneironaut Apr 2017 #313
By the way, with all of these purist goofballs, no wonder we're losing. Oneironaut Apr 2017 #315
Maybe he needed the money MichMan Apr 2017 #321
Yes. alarimer Apr 2017 #331
Whatever Lotusflower70 Apr 2017 #335
I totally agree with Sanders on this one. jalan48 Apr 2017 #349
Well, "it does not look good" - I agree with that Mountain Mule May 2017 #353
So now people in public life have to refrain from doing anything that prompts conservative chatter?? LAS14 May 2017 #358
Kinda like when Sanders bought a third home SticksnStones May 2017 #359

pnwmom

(108,992 posts)
6. No, a speech on healthcare to a conference is not the same as being a lobbyist,
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:13 PM
Apr 2017

even if the conference is held on Wall Street (which even includes some progressive voters. Not every Wall Street employee is a Republican.)

Eko

(7,347 posts)
5. Sander said something
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:13 PM
Apr 2017

It is news, I posted it. It's interesting like I said. Make out of it what you want. That is all.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
197. Oh I want him to keep talking because like the other poster said there's a
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:48 AM
Apr 2017

storm coming and there's not an umbrella biggest enough to provide cover for Bernie.

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
7. You know what I find distasteful?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:15 PM
Apr 2017

Running as a candidate in a party that you constantly bash, and trying to force your ideas onto that party, all while never actually becoming a member of that party. And, to think I actually used to love this guy...

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Eko

(7,347 posts)
76. Ha!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:01 PM
Apr 2017

Thanks, I didn't give any opinion at all, just reported the news that reported on what he said, Just the news. Thanks!

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Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Okay,he was invited to give his
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:17 PM
Apr 2017

thoughts and ideas on Health Care. Let's not forget,Georgie the Less gets half a million for showing up at a Wall Street so called Round Table.

BTW,the Wall Streeters at this Conference are investors in all types of Medical and Pharmacy Companies. Obama with out a doubt,changed the narrative.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
182. Narrative being ACA.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:18 AM
Apr 2017

And the benefits to our Countries People. With the repeal of the ACA,and being replaced with anyone of the Rethugs so called Insurance programs,our Nations Economy will tip into a recession. Thousands of new Medical related jobs will disappear,and that is just the start.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. Bernie, Bernie, Bernie...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:18 PM
Apr 2017

PLEASE understand it's never going to end well for you when you put Obama's name in your mouth... This is literally pissing into a 40-mph wind...

Sometimes I really do wonder if Bernie isn't just in this for himself... Every time he unloads on Dems the repubs on Twitter get orgasmic...

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
176. He's taking money for a speech from the very people who are fucking the middle class over!
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:04 AM
Apr 2017

That's the point. Get it?

Response to Eko (Original post)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Did anyone ask Sen. Sanders about Trump's weekends at Mar-A-Lago?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:22 PM
Apr 2017

I know that fomenting division between folks on the left is the raison d'etre for a lot of our good friends in the media, but President Obama's speaking fee is, frankly, nobody's business.* But the money Obama is being paid comes out of the pockets of the people who hired him to speak. The millions in expenses Trump incurs every weekend in Florida comes out of the Treasury. I wonder why Ms. Malveaux and CNN aren't asking our elected officials about those costs to the American taxpayer?

Or is it too distasteful and not a good idea to ask elected officials about that?

*I will make an exception for anyone who made complaints about the seemliness of President Reagan stepping out of the Oval Office in 1989 and into a $2 million honorarium for a speech to Japanese businessmen. If you were out, loud and upset back then, I'll give you a pass on complaints about President Obama's honorarium of 20% of that amount.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
20. He wouldn't hold back. He never does. I agree that is where the media should be looking
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:31 PM
Apr 2017

Bernie has been among those blasting how Trump lines his pockets.

I know how it can infuriate many. But part of why Sanders caught fire, rose from relative obscurity as a Vermont Senator, ended up polling as the most popular candidate (by far) of ant candidate of either party during the primaries, and winning 45% of he vote against the most experienced candidate and political machine in the nation - is because he actually says what he thinks, an unusually high amount of the time, when asked a direct question. Remember last year's buzz word "authentic"? That's a part of it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
23. Sanders was asked a question, he answered it
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:47 PM
Apr 2017

I don't have any truck with Sanders, and I'm glad he's out fighting the good fight. I'm just wondering why President Obama's speaking fee has become such a hobbyhorse for the political media, and why every liberal or progressive or Democratic office holder or operative is asked about it. It doesn't have jack-squat to do with anything; certainly not like President Trump's bellicose, uninformed rhetoric which has royally pissed off our allies in Korea and Japan.

spooky3

(34,476 posts)
63. Pres. Obama is now a private citizen and deserves
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:46 PM
Apr 2017

to collect a big check for his speeches. And frankly, I'm glad Wall Street wants to pay and listen to him rather than to one more right wing scum bag.

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #20)

brer cat

(24,604 posts)
143. Most people learn to think before they speak.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:21 PM
Apr 2017

What some perceive as "authentic" is arrogant and obtuse to others.

Response to gratuitous (Reply #13)

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
15. Seriously Bernie w/ all due respect, please stick to
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:27 PM
Apr 2017

criticizing Repukes and leave Obama alone. You have bigger fish to fry.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
228. No because he is a former Democratic president...and if you care about electing progressives, you
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:29 AM
Apr 2017

should not tear a Democratic president down...and give aid to the Republicans.

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
233. Did you agree with Obama on TPP?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:36 AM
Apr 2017

Many Democrats didn't and that includes those in power and they were very open about it.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
236. He was president then, and no I did not agree but I did not bash him in public
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:39 AM
Apr 2017

and give the GOP ad fodder...if you care about electing progressives, you should not criticize President Obama.

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
244. If that's the case, should primaries be cupcake shows?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:49 AM
Apr 2017

No criticism allowed? Or is that simply "it is because that's a primary and Republicans will never use any of that against us"? Politicians will always be criticized & Bernie isn't above it and either is anybody else.

Roosevelt said it best;

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
264. I want honesty and that means telling the hard truth
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:10 AM
Apr 2017

that many obviously don't want nor wish to hear. Dems have lost over 1,000 seats, 2/3rd of Governorships, both the house and teh senate along with the presidency.

Primaries? I used your logic against you. If everything spoken bad only aids Republicans then how do you plan on getting ahead with a a "no see, no can hear" attitude? You can't and what happens is that people generally become more disenfranchised because their voices aren't being heard and their concerns not being addressed. That is a perfectly recipe for losing.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
293. I showed you twitter posts yesterday...and out of hundreds bashing
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:44 PM
Apr 2017

the Democrats not one post said anything about honest...only folks using Sen. Sander's words to trash Democrats...oh well as some poster said...maybe this will open Democrats' eyes...don't see too many defending this.

George II

(67,782 posts)
263. TPP is one issue - there are hundreds of issues that a President has to deal with....
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:04 AM
Apr 2017

..in the course of his Presidency.

Many don't understand this - NO President has ever been elected since the Great Depression by running on just one or two issues.

Hekate

(90,788 posts)
329. Yes, just so you know. But it did not get past the GOP, and Obama is now out of office.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 07:46 PM
Apr 2017

But yes, I did think TPP was a good idea that was widely misunderstood. For one thing, it would have helped rein in China's influence, which I hope all of us realize would have been a good thing.

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
232. No of course not
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:35 AM
Apr 2017

But at the same time, what some seem to think is "bashing", some of us see as legit criticism. That's the defining difference.

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
307. I did indeed, I disagree
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:29 PM
Apr 2017

9/11 is irrelevant in the conversation IMHO. That's just me though. I know not everyone will agree.

George II

(67,782 posts)
309. Yeah, I can think if about 650 people who used to work for that company that would feel it's...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:08 PM
Apr 2017

..."irrelevant" in a conversation about a President of the United States speaking to their company.

Evidently you know little about those events 16 years ago.

George II

(67,782 posts)
246. Where did that come from? It looks like question #70 of some poll, what were the other 69 or more..
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:53 AM
Apr 2017

...questions, and who conducted the poll?

But I'll point out one thing - why is it that as an Independent, he only has 22% of Independents rating him very favorable, less than half of Democrats. I thought his appeal to our Party was to attract Independents? That doesn't seem to be the case from this poll.

Fla Dem

(23,741 posts)
209. He's rapidly losing whatever support he had with the Democratic base.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:56 AM
Apr 2017

He has been denigrating Democrats recently and that doesn't sit well with the base. But as you only joined DU today, you may not realize this has been a topic recently. And yes we've had Russian trolls. Anything to disrupt and be divisive.

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
219. There was just an article Salon
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 08:33 AM
Apr 2017

which actually said the opposite. It talked about despite Bernie being attacked that he is becoming actually more popular. What I meant by Russia is that it wasn't a Russia thing saying Bernie was popular. Niot sure that makes sense, I've just woken up, literally, need some coffee.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
250. Exactly, but he will always be popular.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:56 AM
Apr 2017

And as you point out if he is not in office, why should Sen. Sander comment on his private activities?

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
255. There are no indies who vote Dems
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:58 AM
Apr 2017

and people like myself are Republicans? Really?
Hm, funny, I wasn't aware either Bernie or Hillary running under their ticket.
The more ya know!

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
297. So you are an 'independent' criticizing president Obama...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:53 PM
Apr 2017

The primary is over by the way. And why are you posting on Democratic Underground we support and help Democrats. Since you have admitted to being an independent I don't get it...is JPR down or something?

 

PaintedSkies

(99 posts)
300. Where have I criticized Obama?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:06 PM
Apr 2017

I've not especially anything about him and I voted for him 2x. I like him. Is every politician perfect? No of course not.Is it possible to like both Obama and Bernie? Of course it is.

I guess I'm not welcome here then and what is JPR? Funny, are you aware that there is a "Socialist Progressives" forum on here and also the Bernie Sanders group is listed under Democrats?

Thanks for such a warm welcome. /eyeroll
FYI I voted for Dems last 3 elections. Your vote isn't worth any more than my own despite me being an indy.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
119. There was just a poll that had both Obama and Bernie on it
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017

And Obama's approval rating was far higher.

Response to Eko (Original post)

Leith

(7,813 posts)
19. Who Cares?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:28 PM
Apr 2017

I think it's terrific that Obama gets paid for speaking. Bernie doesn't think so. Nobody's life changes either way.


OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
21. Speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald for gosh sakes
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:36 PM
Apr 2017

It's not like this is some nasty right wing organization...
They lost 68 % of their employees on 9-11, I am going to copy from wiki

Lutnick promised "distribute 25 percent of the firm's profits for the next five years, and committed to paying for ten years of health care, for the benefit of the families of its 658 former Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed, and TradeSpark employees (profits which would otherwise have been distributed to the Cantor Fitzgerald partners).[11] In 2006, the company completed its promise, having paid a total of $180 million (and an additional $17 million from a relief fund run by Lutnick's sister, Edie).

Edie Lutnick is the author of An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond. All the proceeds from the sale of the book benefit the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund and the charities it assists.[18]

The Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund provided $10 million to families affected by Hurricane Sandy. Howard Lutnick and the Relief Fund "adopted" 19 elementary schools in impacted areas, distributing $1,000 prepaid debit cards to each family from the schools. In total $10 million in funds were given to families affected by the storm.

Two days after the 2013 Moore tornado struck Moore, Oklahoma, killing 24 people and injuring hundreds, Howard Lutnick pledged to donate $2 million to families affected by the tornado. The donation was given out in the form of $1,000 debit cards given out to area families.

Each year, on September 11, Cantor Fitzgerald and its affiliate BGC Partners donate 100% of their revenue to charitable causes on their annual Charity Day which was originally established to raise money to assist the families of Cantor employees who died in the World Trade Center attacks. Since its inception, Charity Day has raised $110 million for charities globally.[


These people seem to me to be really ethical.

I know the Intercept is trying to smear them, but I pay no attention to that bunch.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
97. +1
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:13 PM
Apr 2017

All I had to see were "Cantor" and "September " in the same sentence to understand why Pres Obama was asked to deliver the speech.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
125. Me, too.. musette.. all these Knee Jerkers need to give
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:54 PM
Apr 2017

an apology to President Obama.. he certainly found out who his friends are.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
204. A Facebook post that clearly articulates my thoughts on this:
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:30 AM
Apr 2017

from writer and publicist Leslie Hermelin:

You guys do remember why we all know the name Cantor Fitzgerald right? (They're the "corrupt" Wall Street folks who paid Obama to speak to this week). I do. I remember. As an American living in NYC when the towers came down I made a promise to Never Forget. I remember Cantor Fitzgerald was the firm that took the most losses of all Trade Center tenants 9/11 - the plane literally crashed into their floor.

I remember the heartbreaking interviews with their CEO that followed in the aftermath. He was late that day and one of the only ones who survived. He was late AND HE LIVED bc he was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten. Did you know he gave the victims families 25% of all profits for 5 years and covered their health insurance for 10? Did you know he still has nightmares. Yeah what a corporate asshole.

Seriously if you're mad Obama spoke to this team then fuck you forever. You're the asshole.

I don't just remember the name Cantor Fitzgerald bc they're in the news this week due to a bunch of faux progressives who can't think more complex thoughts than "WALL STREET BAD MUST KILL WALL STREET".

I remember their name because in the aftermath of these events as a nascent NYC resident (I moved here Aug 2000) this man speaking about his pain and the loss suffered in news interviews following is seared into my soul. I love that he paid Obama to bring his wisdom to the people who work for him. I love that he lived.

If you think this guy and Obama are the enemy and you define yourself as a liberal progressive you're a liar and a sham.

This post is public. Share it.


http://www.businessinsider.com/cantor-fitzgerald-9-11-story-howard-lutnick-2011-9

Cha

(297,629 posts)
207. Wow! Mahalo, musette!
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:42 AM
Apr 2017
I will share it.. Thank you~

FB from writer and publicist Leslie Hermelin:

You guys do remember why we all know the name Cantor Fitzgerald right? (They're the "corrupt" Wall Street folks who paid Obama to speak to this week). I do. I remember. As an American living in NYC when the towers came down I made a promise to Never Forget. I remember Cantor Fitzgerald was the firm that took the most losses of all Trade Center tenants 9/11 - the plane literally crashed into their floor.

I remember the heartbreaking interviews with their CEO that followed in the aftermath. He was late that day and one of the only ones who survived. He was late AND HE LIVED bc he was taking his son to his first day of kindergarten. Did you know he gave the victims families 25% of all profits for 5 years and covered their health insurance for 10? Did you know he still has nightmares. Yeah what a corporate asshole.

Seriously if you're mad Obama spoke to this team then fuck you forever. You're the asshole.

I don't just remember the name Cantor Fitzgerald bc they're in the news this week due to a bunch of faux progressives who can't think more complex thoughts than "WALL STREET BAD MUST KILL WALL STREET".

I remember their name because in the aftermath of these events as a nascent NYC resident (I moved here Aug 2000) this man speaking about his pain and the loss suffered in news interviews following is seared into my soul. I love that he paid Obama to bring his wisdom to the people who work for him. I love that he lived.

If you think this guy and Obama are the enemy and you define yourself as a liberal progressive you're a liar and a sham.

This post is public. Share it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cantor-fitzgerald-9-11-story-howard-lutnick-2011-9

President Obama is speaking @ Cantor Fitzgerald in Sepember, though.. I can see why anyone would think he had already spoken.. with all the faux outrage about it.

I do remember Cantor-Fitzgerald.. I was living in upper state NY at the time.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
208. My sister's best friend from high school worked at Cantor
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:48 AM
Apr 2017

and had retired in 2001 just weeks before September.

I still cannot imagine her pain. And her pain pales next to Howard Lutnick's pain.

Please read "An Unbroken Bond: The Untold Story of How the 658 Cantor Fitzgerald Families Faced the Tragedy of 9/11 and Beyond" by Howard's sister Edie. One of the saddest books I've ever read.

http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/an-unbroken-bond

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
360. My friend Danny T. worked at Cantor and died that day.
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:36 AM
May 2017

Cantor did right by his widow. I have no beef with them.

Not all money is evil. Not all wall streeters are bereft of values and empathy.

Boomerproud

(7,964 posts)
122. I was working in the Trust department of a bank on 9/11 and we would get wire transfers
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:50 PM
Apr 2017

from Cantor Fitzgerald every hour or so and I remember getting one only 5 minutes before the disaster. I still think about it.

musette_sf

(10,206 posts)
89. + 1 -- I have mentioned the same information on social media
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:10 PM
Apr 2017

when objections have been posted to this speech. All I had to see were "Cantor" and "September" in the same sentence, to get it that Pres Obama was selected to give this speech because they want an empathetic, compassionate speaker with heart.

And thanks for mentioning Edie Lutnick's book - it's heartbreaking.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
336. Ah but there is always an excuse for when Bernie does something.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:12 PM
Apr 2017

The same folks, for instance, who give me a hard time for going on Fox have no problem with Bernie doing it.

Again, they have plenty of excuses and rationalizations.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
284. That was a terrible day for these folks.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:34 PM
Apr 2017

Had the misfortune of calling on their Twin City office that morning and noticed everyone gathered around two TV sets. There were people from that office that were at the NYC office for training that day,none survived. Surreal to see empty Cubes and memorials two weeks latter when called again. Same for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter office,several people also in NYC doing training. My contact person was among those who perished.

That was a tough day and the Images in those Offices will never go away. BTW,Cantor Fitz usually supports Dem Candidates and Social responsible issues.

Certain people need to stop with the back biting,this shit is going to haunt us again down the road. Please engage brain before running the mouth.

Response to Eko (Original post)

Me.

(35,454 posts)
24. Posts, 4, 14, 7.8, 15, 16, 17, 18 .19, 21, 22
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:48 PM
Apr 2017


And Bernie, there's no FBI probe on Obama, just Jane Sanders...your wife.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
121. Thank you, Me.! President Obama is giving a
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:49 PM
Apr 2017

speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald in September and BS comes up with this shite..





Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
25. This is my first post re Bernie
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:05 PM
Apr 2017

But, as others have stated, shut up already! What is wrong with a private person getting paid for a speaking engagement?

blm

(113,091 posts)
28. The absorption of Russian propaganda by a significant number of Sanders voters is distasteful. I was
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

a Sanders primary voter who never fell for the GOP/Putin's propaganda in the general. Wish I could say the same of ALL my fellow Sanders voters. I can't. Some were too stupid and easily led by professional lie machines.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
71. I was with you
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:57 PM
Apr 2017

And far from a Rhodes Scholar, but damn, it didn't take a genious to figure it out.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
132. Most Sanders voters went for Hillary in the general - the ones who didn't sure were vocal though. nt
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:00 PM
Apr 2017

JI7

(89,264 posts)
181. i think this is a problem and i would also say the loudest ones don't always have good intentions
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:15 AM
Apr 2017

and are purposely trying to cause problems.

Takket

(21,625 posts)
29. being paid for speeches is nothing more than capitalism
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

there is nothing wrong with it.

personally i think offering that kind of money for a speech is crazy but it isn't my business to tell them how to spend their own money.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. What does that even mean? I hate all this coy bullshit and vague
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:25 PM
Apr 2017

standards that seem to shift constantly...

Cha

(297,629 posts)
33. Like clockwork, Bernie Sanders compares Obama getting paid for a speech
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:38 PM
Apr 2017


I don't give a shite what BS thinks of President Obama.

President Obama has earned his right to get paid for his work.







Hekate

(90,788 posts)
145. BS reminds me of a houseguest who immediately moves your furniture around, criticizes the meals...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:22 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)

...complains about your relations with your spouse at every turn, calls your children spoiled brats, and never lifts a finger to so much as clear the table after eating the meal he bitchd about.

At some point the children are going to take their parents for a walk and ask when Uncle Bill is going to go back to his own home?

Hekate

(90,788 posts)
288. Nader had his day, in which he did good work. But he changed, and I guess he decided...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:08 PM
Apr 2017

...that the enemy was the Democratic Party. Can't say why -- disappointment in human frailty maybe? But for at least 20 years he's gone out of his way to undermine Democratic candidates and ensure the election of Republicans. Someone please tell me how this even makes sense in a sane world.

Nader's comment about how clever Sanders was to get the Dem Party to embrace him says something unfortunate about everyone involved.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. Independent, Libertarian, what's the difference?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 07:54 PM
Apr 2017

Both types want to maintain the illusion of being better than everyone else, so then they get to run their mouths off with no consequences. Nice gig, I guess.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
41. Why? Why would he do that? What's going on in his head? What's he thinking? How...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:11 PM
Apr 2017

... how does this help anything? How does this "unify" Democrats? Who is this message for?

Who, what, when, where, why and how? I'm just having difficulty in understanding where he's going or what he expects to happen from comments like this.

Anyone? Anyone?

betsuni

(25,610 posts)
69. The tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:55 PM
Apr 2017

As much of an explanation as I can come up with, sorry.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
164. That's the problem. He doesn't think. Just speaks robotically.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:21 PM
Apr 2017

Giving a speech to employees who happen to be in the financial sector as opposed to any other sector? AUTOMATICALLY bad, automatically distasteful. But Bernie's speech at Liberty University? Oh, that's perfectly OK. Bernie's setting the rules as he goes along. He has a script and he's sticking with it!

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
45. Someone convinced Sanders his opinion is more needed than it really is. Now he protest too much ...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:19 PM
Apr 2017

... and his silly position against HRC seems to have pushed him into this.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
49. 600k for a summer home.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:31 PM
Apr 2017

Does not seem very "socialist" or "equitable".

Also, isn't the FBI investigating his wife?

NBachers

(17,136 posts)
52. Jesus Christ, Sanders, shut the fuck up and go away will you? Sarandon part deux.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:36 PM
Apr 2017

Sorry, I've tried, I've tried, I just can't put up with him any more.

Response to Eko (Original post)

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
62. It opened up an unnecessary can of worms
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:45 PM
Apr 2017

He didn't need to do this speech monetarily wise.


The Obamas are getting a record-setting book deal worth at least $60 million


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/obama-book-deal-2017-2

Right or wrong he should have known this would inflame and not heal the division in the party as we are witnessing.
Oh he has the right to but not very politically smart in my opinion considering he has expressed a desire to be an activist in the Democratic Party's direction.

Knowing this would happen I'm wondering why the transcripts weren't released.
Maybe he advocated for single payer?

Response to SHRED (Reply #62)

Cha

(297,629 posts)
72. President Obama has earned the right to get paid for his
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:59 PM
Apr 2017

work.

BS is the one who opened the worms..


 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
81. Yes he is however...
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:04 PM
Apr 2017

He plans on being a major influence in our party.
If that includes Wall St I fail to see why criticizing that direction is off limits.

Obama retools his political operation for post-Trump
He will use his foundation and an updated Organizing for Action group to try to salvage his legacy and rebuild the Democratic Party.


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/obama-legacy-democrats-retool-233337

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
86. There's no "however", only Sanders silly ass'd WS speech position against Obama & HRC are "however"
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:07 PM
Apr 2017

Cha

(297,629 posts)
88. BS "opened the can of worms" with his nasty comparison..
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:09 PM
Apr 2017


President Obama will be speaking at Cantor Fitzgerald in September and I'm sure well worth what he has to say.

It will be excellent hearing from him on a National stage.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
337. You're deflecting from what BS actually said..
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:15 PM
Apr 2017


he opened the worms on himself.. So many are not impressed.. including fans.



Cha

(297,629 posts)
94. Quite the distinction of WHERE he's speaking on Wall Street
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:12 PM
Apr 2017

.. the knee jerkers should have investigated a little further.. 'cause now they just look bad.

betsuni

(25,610 posts)
99. They've changed the goalposts to "It's not that he's giving a speech, it's WHERE the money
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:15 PM
Apr 2017

comes from." Well, that's bullshit too, isn't it.

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
83. Sanders silly ass'd WS speech position is the can of worms not someone getting paid for work ....
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:05 PM
Apr 2017

... this shit is asinine on its face.

Obama can go make all the money they want to make how they want to make it as long as its moral and legal ... fuck what ever you or I think

uponit7771

(90,363 posts)
102. Thx cha... check this shit out ... just found it on CNN
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:18 PM
Apr 2017
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/bernie-sanders-north-korea-donald-trump-cnntv/

(CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Donald Trump don't agree on much, but the Vermont independent says that if the President is genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he is "doing the right thing."


Obama distasteful but the unproven actions of Benedict Donald is "doing the right thing" ...

Jus ... I don't know what's up with Sanders ... extremely tone deaf on some shit

pnwmom

(108,992 posts)
212. What do you have against Cantor Fitzgerald? They didn't cause the 2008 crash
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:32 AM
Apr 2017

because they weren't doing hedge funds or derivatives.

In 2001 they lost 68% of their employees in the WTC attacks, but by the time of the crash they were strong enough to be able to give jobs to some of the people whose financial firms went down in the recession.

Not all financial firms are Goldman Sachs.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
361. Just who is opening that can of worms?
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:58 AM
May 2017

It looks bad. Why? Because we say so! This circular rationalization for piling on Obama would be amusing if it didn't have serious consequences.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
65. OK, Bernie I like you BUT this is ridiculous.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:49 PM
Apr 2017

Obama is earning his money NOT getting it by screwing people like trump does.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
67. Of all the things
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 08:53 PM
Apr 2017

going on now, this man chooses to focus on a former politician delivering paid speeches? Also I won't dive into it too much, but it's not like he himself is in any position to be going after other people for "distasteful" things.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
210. Problems at home, maybe?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:24 AM
Apr 2017

I saw some posts on another site about his wife being under investigation for that thing she did at her old job, and some financial impropriety with school funds, an off shore bank account and something with her daughter.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
85. I might be interested in his opinion....
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:07 PM
Apr 2017

when he releases his tax returns.

And no, I'm not re-fighting the primaries. When the primaries were over, I was willing to let that go. But if he's gonna continue to take potshots at, ya know, ACTUAL Democrats, I am curious as to why he never released them...

Glass houses, and all that.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
95. President Obama is now a private citizen
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:12 PM
Apr 2017

He will never again be a player who can change laws with the stroke of a pen.

And he was offered a good bit of money to speak. I am sure he never expected to be attacked by a member of the Democratic Party. And he was not. A gadfly Independent from Vermont attacked him.

The Senator from Vermont has now crossed my personal Rubicon and I am done with him. I predict now he will do every thing he can to fuck up our chances in 2020. Hope I am wrong, but he seems to have as much animus against our party, you know the party represented here at Democratic Underground, as he does the republicans who are busy wrecking our democracy.

The shit President Obama had to put up with from republicans over the past 8 years was unprecedented in my lifetime. The republicans went straight to the sewer with every racist and bigoted attack possible. To have one of our supposed ally attack him is too much.

The Democratic Party need to tell the Senator from Vermont to pound sand and get his publicity on his own. And go back to Vermont where the citizens of one of the most homogenous, smallest population states love him.


Cha

(297,629 posts)
100. President Obama is going to give a speech to Cantor Fitzgerald
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:16 PM
Apr 2017

in September.. and BS made a nasty comparison to trump..





Cha

(297,629 posts)
111. Haha.. you guys can't get over 2008.. most people have
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:34 PM
Apr 2017

moved on.. but some are just destined to be stuck in the past.

Trying desperately to deflect from BS' latest nasty Insult to President Obama..

Eko

(7,347 posts)
109. Was the quote somehow misconstrued?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:32 PM
Apr 2017

Taken out of context? If not are you asking us to overlook what he is saying?

nini

(16,672 posts)
103. Distasteful is making money off a toxic dump in a poor neighborhood
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:18 PM
Apr 2017

But those were just brown folks.

He's got his fucking nerve bashing Obama.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
107. Cantor Fitzgerald cannot be compared to the vulture funds.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:27 PM
Apr 2017

At least Obama's money is cleaner than dumping nuclear waste in a poor Latino neighborhood.

...and lest we forget that "liberal" Vermont voted themselves a Republican State House (lower chamber) in 2000/2002/2004 in a backlash to Howard Dean's support for Gay Marriage.

Retrograde

(10,156 posts)
110. How much does Bernie want for a speaking engagement?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:32 PM
Apr 2017

And how much is he offered?

Who set the amount? Did Obama demand $400K up front, or did the conference offer the fee first? I sort of agree that it looks a bit, well, Republicanish, but if both sides are happy with the deal what grounds do I have to complain?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
184. That is a very disingenuous statement you got there. Where did you get it?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:21 AM
Apr 2017
I think you left out the part where Cantor Fitzgerald was suing American Airlines for allowing the 9/11 hijackers board their planes. The settlement $135 million (recently) was to go to families of CF .. but of course many families did not even know that they were entitled to the ''reward'' but the head honchos of the company made sure they each got $25 million and the most productive workers, the guys bringing in the most $$$ into the business, their families got high sums as well. So I'm not buying their "altruistic" intentions. If there's a chunk of money laying about the big boys are going to reap the benefits ... you can count on it.



Cha

(297,629 posts)
188. There's nothing "disingenuous" about.. that's your insulting
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:26 AM
Apr 2017

accusation.

Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too





betsuni

(25,610 posts)
135. Senators are prohibited from giving paid speeches. Have to wait till they leave government.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:09 PM
Apr 2017

You can Google and find out how much former politicians (and Donald Trump -- he's the most expensive) were or are offered for their speaking engagements.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
116. I agree.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:45 PM
Apr 2017

It simply adds to the perception (Truth?) that the Democratic Party has become a party of the 1%. O is not hurting for cash, no need to go this route.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
130. Oh the "perception". President Obama is giving a speech @ Cantor-Fitzgerald..
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:58 PM
Apr 2017

in September..







The knee jerkers owe President Obama an apology.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
185. So? Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:21 AM
Apr 2017

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too





radius777

(3,635 posts)
118. Why is it wrong to be ambitious? Isn't that the American spirit?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:46 PM
Apr 2017

The Clinton/Obama vision came to dominate the Dem party because it put forth an optimistic vision of a reformed capitalism, one where everyone was included, iow 'progressive capitalism' most rank-and-file Dems agree with, much to the dismay of some on the populist left, that, like Sanders seem to want a Euro-socialist type system more than anything else that harbors a negative view of achievement. This simply isn't in the DNA of America, a country that has been about alot of things good and bad, but fundamentally about the doors of achievement/excellence being open to regular people. The Clintons/Obamas represent this ideal to a tee - middle/working class roots (in Bill and Barack's case, from single mother homes), self-made, ambitous, etc. Of course the Clintons and Obamas would want to make money, give speeches, write books, etc - to build their legacy, which is their right.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
159. Yes, they're a more progressive company that
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:59 PM
Apr 2017

embraces alot of the reforms Obama wants.

I think this is really the difference between the center-left Clinton/Obama wing and the left-populist Sanders/Warren wing.

The center-left, which represents most Dems and indeed most Americans (Clinton Dem presidential candidates have won 6 of the past 7 popular votes) views capitalism as a system that indeed can be abusive and unfair, but one that (as Hillary said in a debate w/Sanders) built the greatest middle class in history and the American way of life, and one that can (and should) be reformed to make it more open, fair and equitable for everyone. IOW, a balance between Wall St and Main St.

The populist-left on the other hand, sees capitalism (and financial ambition itself) as inherently evil, and thus should be abolished and replaced with a Euro-socialist style system.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
127. I am proud of Pres Obama! and want him to be FREE!! to do as he wishes no matter the naysayers!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:55 PM
Apr 2017

I hate people using words like distasteful or unfortunate when they speak of Obama. ENOUGH!

Will pay no attention if people do that. Who the heck people think they are to try to control Pres. Obama! This makes me burn.

I am excited for the Obamas and am excited to see their new chapters enfold.

Anything else is just NOISE!




Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
133. I would have done the same thing - good for Obama.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:01 PM
Apr 2017

He is not running for office in the future so there should be no appearance of any kind of conflict of interest....though the orangefucker seems to have made the concept of "conflict of interest" go right out the fucking window.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
134. I find it funny
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:08 PM
Apr 2017

that it is so very un-Bernie-friendly around here, yet we seem to hang on his every word. if he answers a random question, it will be posted here within the hour.....

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
138. Fuck off, Bernie! It's none of your fucking business.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:14 PM
Apr 2017

By the way, what ever happened to YOUR tax returns?

murielm99

(30,761 posts)
187. The last FEC filing might be interesting, too.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:24 AM
Apr 2017

It was never made. If I understand correctly, Sanders did not have to file because he dropped out. I don't like that rule. Everyone who runs and raises money should disclose where the money came from.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
170. I need the money, so I might take it
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:38 PM
Apr 2017

They would not like what I have to say though! So I may not be invited, lol. Just trying for some lightheartedness on a thread that won't have agreement.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
192. Yeah, knee jerk... he should have investigated a little further..
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:39 AM
Apr 2017
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too







jack69

(163 posts)
155. Sanders isn't a Democrat
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:44 PM
Apr 2017

He should not be in the equation. He is responsible for what we have now.

David__77

(23,501 posts)
303. I'm a registered Democrat and I voted for Sanders.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:16 PM
Apr 2017

Sanders is responsible for his loss to Clinton. Clinton is responsible for her loss to Trump.

David__77

(23,501 posts)
316. I consider that candidates are responsible for winning or losing.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:47 PM
Apr 2017

Note that I said nothing about blame.

still_one

(92,387 posts)
158. President Obama has donated over one million dollars when he was President
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 10:58 PM
Apr 2017

"Barack Obama gave away more than $1 million while he was President of the United States, more than half of which went to charities supporting children, according to a Forbes analysis of his tax returns from 2009 to 2015."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/02/06/obama-donated-over-1-million-to-charity-as-president-heres-where-the-money-went/#50dc5faf459e

President Obama donations to charity amount to about 15% of his income

Senators Sanders donation to charities amount to 5%.

In addition, President Obama will take his earnings for the speech as ordinary income, which thanks to President Obama's own policies, will include the .9% Medicare tax part of the ACA, and will be paying a marginal rate of 40% on that income. To the dismay of some it seems he will keep 60% for himself, of course based on his history of charitable giving, which some conveniently like to ignore, he will give some of that to charity.

This judgemental, and holier than though attitude that some have, is tiresome

There is nothing unethical, illegal, or immoral about this.

Perhaps those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee for President should reflect on the consequences of their actions, instead of how much someone gets paid for a speech.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
189. The Obama's just signed a book deal for $65 million
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:30 AM
Apr 2017

So maybe he should just donate that $400,000 to charity and everybody is happy. Except that he's taking money from the very people that are ruining middle class families lives.

still_one

(92,387 posts)
195. bullshit. What will ruin those middle class lives is those self-identified holier than thou
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:43 AM
Apr 2017

progressives who refused to vote for Hillary, and by those very actions contributed to the asshole who will destroy the middle class

Cha

(297,629 posts)
193. Hey Aloha, still_one.. Mahalo for this!
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:41 AM
Apr 2017
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too








ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
162. Did he or Warren ask about the topic of the speech before going on the attack?
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:17 PM
Apr 2017

Probably not. Which makes both of their comments on how our first black president should spend his retirement "distasteful" as fuck. It's amazing to me that they found time to criticize the best President of my lifetime during a time like this, when Trump and the republicans are destroying this country.

I'm trying so hard not to get sucked back into the back and forth but Bernie truly is divisive.

mvd

(65,180 posts)
163. I agree with Bernie here
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:18 PM
Apr 2017

I wouldn't have done it. It looks bad when we are trying to be for Main Street instead. It's not just Obama though. It is something I would like to see less of in general.

There is kind of a Democratic Wall St. (Summers, et al.) and a Republican Wall St. (current Treasury Secretary.) I do not like either, but the Republican kind has no shame at all.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
191. Agree all you want.. BS knee jerked and people are not happy about that..
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:34 AM
Apr 2017
Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too





mvd

(65,180 posts)
199. I still don't agree. I am with Bernie
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:57 AM
Apr 2017

You gave your reasons and I gave mine. It's still Wall St., which I and many more criticize. And Lutnick took heat for pocketing much of the 9/11 settlement with the airline.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
314. Pres. Obama is a private citizen,but your post points out an important problem...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:44 PM
Apr 2017

We need do concentrate on substance and not optics...which in my opinion are bull shit anyway...Sen. Sanders should not have given the answer he did in my opinion.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
172. What bothers me most is he's taking money from Cantor Fitzgerald !!
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 11:52 PM
Apr 2017

Investment banking firm that sued American Airlines for $135 million dollars for families of 9/11 and the head honchos pocketed $25 million of that money EACH.. leaving families uninformed that they were entitled to a share. How do you like them apples folks? A god damn investment bank Cantor Fitzgerald and Obama will just waltz in and give a great speech to the very people who are screwing us: the Investment banking industry and the health insurance industry. So there you have it. Ain't capitalism great folks .. you can be President and then cash in like hell when you're done. Oh but they all do it

Cha

(297,629 posts)
183. Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:19 AM
Apr 2017

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too





Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
317. It doesn't bother me at all...let him speak where he chooses...
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:49 PM
Apr 2017

he is not running for anything...and can do as he pleases. You can cherry pick any company...but this is just an attack on President Obama and will backfire.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
214. That spin is pretty bad.(editing out the ossoff thing, because according to Wapo he has said that).
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:36 AM
Apr 2017

He DID criticize Obama taking money. He did NOT defend Ann Coulter. His statement had nothing to do with her and everything to do with whether or not we should be dealing with speech we don't like in the fashion that people threatened to do in Berkeley. Don't make it something it wasn't...that's unbecoming. He also did NOT praise Trump's foreign policy. He said, IF Trump is trying to get China to take the reins and do something about China then Sanders things that is the right step. And if Sanders does think its the right step, then why the fuck should he lie about it?

Please, there are plenty of things for us to hash over and debate regarding actual things that happened. You don't have to create a laundry list of entirely debunkable things. If you want to make a point, its better not to go so hyperbolic. That doesn't serve anyone.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
198. Umm....Bernie....
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 12:55 AM
Apr 2017

What Barack Obama ---Private Citizen -- gets paid to give any speech, anytime and any Gosh Darn where is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!! Point, Blank, Period!

This is where the Bernie Train will run right off the rails with Black Folks like us. Bernie needs to step off any comments on what PRIVATE CITIZEN Barack Obama does!!!!

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
205. I tend to stay out of the Bernie/Hillary muck. But, THIS...THIS is just diarrhea of the mouth.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 01:34 AM
Apr 2017

Put a filter on it, man. Quit doing the work for faux, Bernie.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
216. And, they actually owe President Obama an apology
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:26 AM
Apr 2017

for the knee jerking accusations..

includes Sen Warren.. Thank you, pnwmom..

Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

snip//

Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

More..
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/28/1657222/-Why-Obama-SHOULD-Make-That-Speech-And-Take-The-Paycheck-For-It-Too







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LenaBaby61

(6,977 posts)
356. "I tend to stay out of the Bernie/Hillary muck. But, THIS...THIS is just diarrhea of the mouth."
Mon May 1, 2017, 03:54 AM
May 2017

Same here.

This "purity" stuff

It's EXTREMELY difficult to be 100% pure.

IMHO, Bernie has every right to air his feelings out about Wall Street, which I agree with him on. However, as Dems are increasingly on the attack and talking more about tRumputn not releasing his taxes in light of this Tax cut for the uber-rich like himself, and more Americans want to know what's tRumputin's hiding in his taxes as well, but Bernie's not going to really be able to say much about about tRumputin's tax cuts for the UBER-wealthy, because Bernie's been dodgy with his FULL tax returns for 2016 (He has released his 2014 tax returns).

Instead of Bernie saying "Hey, you guys know how I feel about Wall Street, and as far as Pres. Obama's speaking fees go, that's on him--Pres. Obama can speak for himself," then pivot to tRumputin and his insane health care twitter rants, and speak about how he doesn't care if 24 million and more could be thrown off their health care if his crazy health care bill passes. But Bernie in certain situations can come off as pontificating about certain things he should make an effort to pivot from.

At some point when Bernie starts getting more vocal on legislation he wants to introduce concerning Single-payer, I'm pretty sure thuglicans are going to start aiming their knives at him because they KNOW how to deflect IE: What if they go after Bernie concerning his 2016 taxes (Not being released)? The media and thuglicans (Who stay low/deflect extremely well) will of course find something about Bernie to make an issue of, and say it's his 2016 federal income taxes, of course deflecting away from tRumputin's tax situation because that's how thuglicans roll. I could see most in THIS media environment conveniently forgetting about tRumputin's federal income taxes, and asking Bernie why he hasn't released his 2016 federal income taxes when he's interviewed.

Like I say, it's EXTREMELY difficult to be pure.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
213. I pray all this rancor about Obama on the speaking circuit and earning a check for it goes in
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:34 AM
Apr 2017

one ear and out the other. He entered the presidency as one of the least financially endowed Presidents of contemporary times. That sixty million dollar book deal is really about 25 after all the taxes that will be assessed unless he just invests without touching it until he too old to enjoy it. He is in a rental that is not cheap and now has to pay out of pocket for a lot of things hero longer gets on the job. Give the fu*%$#@ man a break. Concentrate on how Drumpf is taking money for every illegal thing he can. Bigger fish to fry. I am going to email President Obama and make sure he knows that there is this American on his side and thinks he should collect for his speeches.

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
215. The sanctimony is tiring.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:17 AM
Apr 2017

Bernie got on my nerve early on. I can't stand his holier than thou sanctimonious attitude anbiut the world. Meanwhile he never released his own tax returns and there are plenty of questions about his wife's tenure at Burlington College.

Demsrule86

(68,667 posts)
221. I am done...how dare Sen. Sanders criticize a Democratic former president.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:23 AM
Apr 2017

I hope he runs for office in 2020 so I can have the pleasure of voting for the other guy. I have to wonder if Sen.Sanders even wants Democrats to retake congress.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
238. I'm sure if someone gave you 400k for a speech you'd be completely nuetral about them, right?
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:44 AM
Apr 2017

Citizens United is no big deal for the same reason. It's like Obama has extensive contacts within the party and is going to be actively involved in the future.

betsuni

(25,610 posts)
253. Yes I would, because I'm not weak and stupid and greedy.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:57 AM
Apr 2017

Objectivity isn't that hard. What's money? Who cares. I pity anyone who can't understand that.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
256. He is a powerful influence in the democrat party. It's indisputable.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:59 AM
Apr 2017

He hand picked the new DNC chair, ffs.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
260. Past tense
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:45 AM
Apr 2017

he is out of office, and you do not own him. He is a private citizen, not your property. Meanwhile, none of the self-righteous give a shit about so-called progressives failing to disclose tax returns and lining their pockets to the tune of $10-15 million. But a black man earns money without throwing a ball around to entertain the white bourgoisie, and they are up in arms. The hypocrisy is stunning.

The DNC chair is elected. I'm sick of the self-entitled claiming everything is rigged because they hate the fact that other citizens, particularly the subaltern, have a vote. Just like with public elections, those citizens don't matter.

Last week so-called progressives exposed themselves as they worked to excuse inequality for the benefit of a demographic whose incomes already well exceed the median, all to justify erosion of rights and thereby relegating women and children to poverty. Trevor Noah nailed this shit show about Obama No one buys the act anymore. Go help the self-righteous figure out how to hide multi-millions from govt ethics offices; help them evade the FBI for pocketing a windfall from a bankrupted FOR PROFIT university. Surely there is another waste dump that can be put in a minority community to generate profits. Oh right. That's exactly what this is. A sideshow ginned up as a distraction. You all are like the Republicans complaining about the money spent on PBS while ignoring massive waste and graft in defense spending. Go try the bullshit on the "not racist" white male Republicans whose fee fees you all worry so much about.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
268. Whatever shady shit you're totally not officially accusing Bernie of doing, doesn't excuse Obama
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 11:17 AM
Apr 2017

or the rest of the democratic party. It's not the worst thing Obama could do, it's just disappointing, especially in the age where it's been made crystal-fucking-clear that money buys influence. Is it a problem, or isn't it? I come down on the side that it's a problem.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
296. At least Obama's released several years of tax records
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 03:52 PM
Apr 2017

We know precisely what his financial connections are. Your claim is that anyone associated with the party should be under scrutiny, even those not in public office who are never running for public office again. Then those throwing stones ought to examine their own glasshouse. Holding him to a standard you refuse to for others is not acceptable. Nor does anyone believe it's about the public trust.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
344. there is nothing to excuse about Obama. he is getting paid for a speech . he is one of the best
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:10 AM
Apr 2017

speakers around. i think the amount paid is too little.

JI7

(89,264 posts)
343. is there a problem with Tom Perez ? a former popular president of the party will always be
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:09 AM
Apr 2017

influential within the party.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
345. Do you ever stop to think about what you write? Because this attempt at a point is ridiculous
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 09:54 PM
Apr 2017

Barack Obama does not hold elected office and never will again.

So WTF are you talking about with influence peddling?

Please think before you post.

killbotfactory

(13,566 posts)
346. Ex presidents have a lot of influence still.
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 11:37 PM
Apr 2017

It's absurd to think they don't. Did Clinton remain neutral in politics after he left the white house? Obama picked Perez to run for DNC chair, and he plans to have a leadership role in the party in the future. When a significant portion of the party wants to get less cozy with large corporate donors, this sends a pretty significant message. How could it not?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
357. No, they don't. Not about policies regarding Wall Street, and certainly not with the current adminis
Mon May 1, 2017, 08:44 AM
May 2017

So everything you wrote is silly nonsense.

Doodley

(9,124 posts)
240. I don't see a problem other than focusing criticism on Obama rather than the psychopath in office.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 09:44 AM
Apr 2017

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
261. Yes he was also troubled by the allegations flogged in Clinton Cash
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 10:48 AM
Apr 2017

about the Clinton Foundation. Money in politics, tsk tsk, very troubling he said, as the TV cameras rolled and rolled and rolled. Now it turns out the AP was lying and Bernie's wife is under FBI investigation. Funny how that works.

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hughee99

(16,113 posts)
277. If he feels this strongly about it, why did he actively campaign
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 02:05 PM
Apr 2017

For someone who had already given such speeches just last year?

David__77

(23,501 posts)
302. I think that might be good.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:13 PM
Apr 2017

It would activate the conversation about what the Democratic Party should be and who should lead it.

David__77

(23,501 posts)
301. I can totally understand Sanders' perspective.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 04:11 PM
Apr 2017

Of course Obama never agreed not to do this. He's got no formal party role- and I certainly don't find it to be unethical.

Cha

(297,629 posts)
347. BS was knee jerking..
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 11:42 PM
Apr 2017



Why Obama SHOULD Make That Speech - And Take The Paycheck For It Too

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Cantor Fitzgerald survived both losing the largest single number of employees (658) of any company with offices in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and they also survived the financial crisis because they were NOT engaging in the same reckless behavior as the other financial firms (like Lehman, AIG, et al).

Moreover, Cantor Fitzgerald has done a great deal of philanthropic work in honor of their lost employees. Along with keeping a promise to use 25% of ALL profits they earned for the next 5 years to provide money to each of the original 658 families, they also promised to cover the health insurance costs for those families for 10 years. On top of this, they have continued the legacy of those lost employees, by making charitable donations to help the victims of Hurricane Sandy and of a huge tornado, as well as other acts of kindness.

So Obama, now a PRIVATE CITIZEN, is giving a speech to a firm that survived a horrible tragedy that has impacted life in America in uncountable ways ever since, and who turned their pain into positive action by not only taking care of their own, but helping others as well. They have also recovered as a company, avoided the worst behaviors that led to the 2008 financial crisis (actually profiting in a year when so many larger investment firms folded — and hiring when thousands were being laid off), and continue to invest in smart ways (one current project involves connecting people with their own local “mom & pop” shops).

Basically, Obama is being paid to give a speech to the ONE company on Wall Street that no one should be criticizing. Oh, and by the way — he’s giving this speech at their annual healthcare conference… a subject that Obama cares deeply about — and will forever be associated with since his signature healthcare legislation has been dubbed “Obamacare”. It’s also an issue that Cantor Fitzgerald championed even while still reeling from the losses they suffered on 9/11, by promising to cover the health care of the families of their lost employees for 10 years!!

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Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
313. I've defended Bernie before, but that's a load of crap.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 05:42 PM
Apr 2017

Bernie's holier-than-thou attitude here is disgusting. I really don't care what Obama does. He isn't the President anymore. I've always found Bernie's Wall Street rhetoric exploitive and over the top goofy.

MichMan

(11,971 posts)
321. Maybe he needed the money
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 06:13 PM
Apr 2017

Maybe President Obama was as broke leaving office as the Clinton's claimed to be

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
331. Yes.
Sat Apr 29, 2017, 07:53 PM
Apr 2017

For one thing, it is a speech to Wall Street investment types, who benefited greatly from Obama's presidency, so this is payback of a sort. Some of them belong in prison. But they got a bailout instead.

The other thing is that this is a conference on health care INVESTMENT. Think about it. These people want to fucking profit off your illness. We all know health insurance is a racket and investment in health care firms is all about profit and they profit by either raising rates, reducing coverage or both.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
353. Well, "it does not look good" - I agree with that
Mon May 1, 2017, 12:13 AM
May 2017

The reason I feel this way is because I also check in on a conservative forum just to keep an eye on what they are up to now.

They absolutely loved it when the news came out that Obama was going to get $400,000 for speaking to Wall Street - they called him a "hypocrite" and said he had "discredited" himself and just in general were full of glee over it. So, yeah. Perhaps not a good idea. And now I'm gonna duck and cover.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
358. So now people in public life have to refrain from doing anything that prompts conservative chatter??
Mon May 1, 2017, 09:02 AM
May 2017
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