Bernie Sanders: Trump is on the right track with North Korea

[uponit7771]

No... no Senator Sanders ... Benedict Donald does NOT do the "right thing" and has shown NOTHING to prove he WILL doe the "right thing" unless its been PROVEN ... Benedict Donald is too stupid to be given praise on anything not proven.

Benedict Donald's ACTIONS are more important than ifs ... there should be NO .. NONE ... NOT ONE OUNCE of benefit of the doubt given to Benedict Donald and the Kremlin KKKlan on ANYTHING.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/bernie-sanders-north-korea-donald-trump-cnntv/

(CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Donald Trump don't agree on much, but the Vermont independent says that if the President is genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he is "doing the right thing."

With friends like these ...

.... sssssssssshit

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[pnwmom]

1. And it's working so well they did another missile launch today. What are you thinking, Bernie? n/t

[LenaBaby61]

2. ***BREAKING*** Bernie Sanders: Trump is on the right track with North Korea.

What's Bernie trying to DO with talk like this though?

[Demsrule86]

18. I see no evidence that Sen. Sanders wants to help Democrats win back Congress.

[QC]

3. So you think that trying to engage China to persuade North Korea

to behave responsibly is *not* a good thing to do?

Or is it only bad because Bernie said it was good?

Honestly, it's time to move past Stage 2.

[uponit7771]

12. No, giving Benedict Donald the benefit of the doubt is bad

[QC]

13. Even if he happens to do something right

and you hope to encourage that sort of thing?

Sorry, but that's just reactive thinking--except it's not even thinking. It's more like the kind of oppositional/defiant thing that children and Donald Trump do.

[Demsrule86]

17. So now because Sen. Sanders say so...Trumps running off at the mouth

poking the bear strategy and threatening a first strike is ' good policy'. No it is dangerously stupid policy. Trump never does anything right and praising him helps normalize him and reduces our chances in 18 and 20...I seriously do not understand Sen. Sanders.

[QC]

31. replied to wrong post n/t

[Demsrule86]

39. Oh, OK thanks.

no problem ...done that many times myself.

[SticksnStones]

25. You really believe that goading NK is the right thing?

China's involvement is not at the behest of Trump nor is it a signal of his powers of 'negotiations'...

China's involvement is to counteract the bloviator's damage. SOMEONE'S got to be the adult, tamp down the dialing up 45 is doing.

Thank goodness China is trying to keep it calm. No one wants a nuclear showdown.

To believe that 45 is intentionally driving progress in that regard seems frankly, an ill-informed position.

[QC]

34. Yes, goading a narcissist crackpot like Kim is very dangerous.

That's why it's better to have China exert some pressure on him, since they are pretty much North Korea's only ally--unless, of course, you would prefer a war that could kill hundreds of thousands or even millions.

In light of that possibility, the question of who gets credit is trivial. It's sad when China is the voice of reason, but that's where we find ourselves.

[SticksnStones]

55. I agree with all of that

Except for: the question of who gets credit is trivial.

To allow the narrative to continue that 45 is capable of diplomacy leaves our nation with its collective pants around its ankles...

It's beyond quirky or laughable...we're at the point where feeding the beast that is his ego is dangerous.

[CreekDog]

76. But he has been goading him and his policy towards NK has been erratic

Exactly what we don't need.

It's cool if you like Sanders, but you don't have to defend every comment he makes when doing so defends one of Donald's most dangerous policies.

[QC]

82. Is it better to bomb NK, in your opinion? n/t

[CreekDog]

83. If you misrepresent my position in order to defend Trump...

That speaks for itself.

[QC]

84. Your false accusations also speak for themselves. n/t

[CreekDog]

85. I accused you of defending Trump after you defended Trump (3+ times!)

if you want credibility, don't deny saying what you said a few posts before.

QC (25,500 posts)
3. So you think that trying to engage China to persuade North Korea

to behave responsibly is *not* a good thing to do?

Or is it only bad because Bernie said it was good?

Honestly, it's time to move past Stage 2.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028992447#post3

QC (25,500 posts)
13. Even if he happens to do something right

and you hope to encourage that sort of thing?

Sorry, but that's just reactive thinking--except it's not even thinking. It's more like the kind of oppositional/defiant thing that children and Donald Trump do.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028992447#post13

QC (25,500 posts)
34. Yes, goading a narcissist crackpot like Kim is very dangerous.

That's why it's better to have China exert some pressure on him, since they are pretty much North Korea's only ally--unless, of course, you would prefer a war that could kill hundreds of thousands or even millions.

In light of that possibility, the question of who gets credit is trivial. It's sad when China is the voice of reason, but that's where we find ourselves.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028992447#post34

[emulatorloo]

28. What exactly has Trump done "right"?

[uponit7771]

45. +1

[CreekDog]

77. apparently, to that poster, if Sanders says Trump did something right, then Trump did

The South Koreans beg to differ.

[QC]

81. No, that poster thinks that having China put pressure on NK,

which has been U.S. policy on this issue for quite some time now, is a good thing.

Others, possibly including yourself, think that if Bernie says something is good, then it's bad. That's just childish.

[CreekDog]

75. Trump isn't doing something right on North Korea

holy cow.

[Demsrule86]

15. Don't trash Democrats and then say nice things about Trump who is a terrible person and a worse

president. Any progressive, despite party affiliation needs to help stop Trump...not praise him undeservedly.

[QC]

16. Do you think it is better to encourage a military attack on NK?

While that would have the advantage of not requiring anyone to say anything nice about Trump, it could also get hundreds of thousands or even millions of people killed.

This is real life, not a conflict between feuding cliques in the junior high cafeteria.

[Demsrule86]

24. I don't think praising Trump decreases the likelyhood of a nuclear strike on

North Korea...it increases the chance of normalizing Trump who is stupid and has totally screwed up N.K. policy. Sorry I don't think anyone should say nice things about the Trump who is a monster. Resist and persist. Any praise gives Trump cover and does nothing in terms of promoting a cogent North Korea policy nor does such praise decrease the
chance for war. In my opinion, such rhetoric does increase the chance that Republicans will win in 18 and 20. And Democrats who rightfully oppose Trump's awful policy will be labeled as being against Sen.Sanders...thus dividing progressives yet again.

[sarisataka]

50. People are becoming so reflexive

that I think if the WH announced they were inviting Kim and Hwang to Washington to negotiate a permanent peace treaty that included removal of all nuclear weapons, some people would insist we go to war instead.

[left-of-center2012]

79. "only bad because Bernie said it was good"

Ding
Ding
Ding

We have a winner!

[nini]

4. I LOVE THAT GIF!!!

[Nanjeanne]

5. That headline is so misleading. The quote says

if the President is genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he is "doing the right thing."

His quote is "North Korea is a real danger to this world, and we have got to do everything we can to ... prevent a nuclear war and to get them to stop their nuclear program," said Sanders, speaking with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day."
"China has got to apply the screws and tell North Korea that if their economy is going to survive, they cannot continue expanding their nuclear arms program and their missile program," he added.
"China is, in fact, the key," Sanders continued. "People have been working on China for years. If Trump is doing that, he's doing the right thing."

That is exactly right -- and he is also right that it has been US policy to try to get China to exert pressure. He is not saying Trump's bluster and threatening manner is the right thing to do. Not hard to understand what is being said if more than the headline is read. But it's Sanders -- so of course ...

ETA I see I was writing the same time QC was!

[Trial_By_Fire]

6. Thanks for the facts on this...

Yes, the headline is more than misleading...

[emulatorloo]

44. Something to keep in mind re Trump and China

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028992447#post27

[uponit7771]

8. I said there's no if !!!! Benedict Donald deserves no Benefit of the doubt

[Nanjeanne]

9. the headline is bogus and meant to incite. So based on your response it did its job.

[demmiblue]

19. Some people want to keep us divided and at each other's throats. I wonder why? n/t

[emulatorloo]

32. Some people are gaffe prone. It's ok, everyone is human and says dumb stuff sometimes

[Demsrule86]

20. Sorry that is no better than what was previously posted...Bernie should resist like the rest of

us the mad president who is Trump...and clearly with Trump's big mouth, the dumbest president ever escalated the situation dangerously...Sen. Sanders should call him out...not even give a hint that Trump did the right thing because he didn't...I think whatever the Senator say...people will agree with him...whether he is right or wrong.

[Nanjeanne]

21. Good grief. Sanders calls Trump out all the time. On TV. On Twitter. On FB. In his speeches.

He said China should be involved. He said that is US policy. And he said if Trump is doing that, it's correct.

Sanders derangement syndrome is treatable. But you have to want to get help.

[Demsrule86]

23. He can call Trump out 100 times and praise him once and the praise will end up in a Republican

election ad in 18 or 20. I see nothing to praise Trump on this issue or any other. Resist...do not cooperate or say anything nice about Trump period...it is not even true...Trump is a disaster in terms of North Korea and everything.

[emulatorloo]

33. Sanders-Is-Infallible syndrome is treatable as well. Like you & me the guy is human.

Who among us has not said something dumb now and again?

[Cha]

88. Not sure if BS can do no wrong syndrome is.

Your insult to deflect from those calling out BS for what he says is not working.. It doesn't matter if he said "IF" or not..

"Sanders derangement syndrome is treatable. But you have to want to get help."

BS is normalizing trump.. not a good look.

[QC]

35. Yes, it's incredibly misleading and it's getting the usual Pavlovian reaction

that any mention of Sen. Sanders garners from a small but very loud and dedicated faction here.

To say that it's good if someone is doing the right thing doesn't seem very controversial to me, but then I'm not stuck in 2016.

[emulatorloo]

47. Let's talk when Trump actually does the right thing. As to Pavlovian responses,

Most of the Pavlovian responses I've seen here in the last week or so is from a small but very loud and dedicated faction that is unable to face the fact that Bernie's human and not infallible.

What human being has not said something dumb every once in a while?

Bernie generally corrects his worst gaffes (see Ossoff) and that's another reason I admire him.

[QC]

49. I agree that if he ever happens to do the right thing

it will almost certainly be due to sheer coincidence. He is both an idiot and an asshole.

But it's hard to see how people can fly apart about someone saying that if a person is doing something good then that's good. "If" is a very important word, but an awful lot of people seem not to be familiar with it.

[emulatorloo]

54. Sadly Trump used up his share of "if's" with most DU'ers.

"If" he drains the swamp like he said he would - nope
"If" he helps working people and the middle class like he promised - nope
"If" he improves upon the ACA like he promised- nope
"If" he protects the safety net like he said he was - sounds like social security is next on the chopping block.

Is it possible Bernie used the "if" construction as a way to gentle separate Trump from Trump voters when Trump does the wrong thing again? Guess we'll see if it works.

[nikibatts]

69. The right thing, to me, would be to call Kim and ask for a one on one with

Trump having prepared script in hand, of course. Recognize Kim as a sovereign leader of another great nation and strike up a trade deal that would make America great again.

[betsuni]

7. Benefit of the doubt, positive. Would be opposite if Obama were still president.

Would be: If the President isn't genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he "isn't doing the right thing." I don't think Sanders is aware he does this all the time, although I could be wrong about that.

[ucrdem]

11. So Barack's speaking fee is "distasteful" and Twitler is "doing the right thing."

You know, if he hadn't spent the last quarter century catapulting every haircut-on-the-tarmac anti-Bill, Hill, and Barack meme to come down the pike, I might be surprised.

But I'm not surprised.

[Demsrule86]

14. What the hell is this? Please stop Sen. Sanders...do you want him re-elected? I am starting to

Trump is not doing a good job and is bringing us to the brink of war with his careless, stupid statements.

[PaintedSkies]

26. Why is this bad?

Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Donald Trump don't agree on much, but the Vermont independent says that if the President is genuinely coaxing China to help moderate North Korea, he is "doing the right thing."

"North Korea is a real danger to this world, and we have got to do everything we can to ... prevent a nuclear war and to get them to stop their nuclear program," said Sanders, speaking with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day."
"China has got to apply the screws and tell North Korea that if their economy is going to survive, they cannot continue expanding their nuclear arms program and their missile program," he added.
"China is, in fact, the key," Sanders continued. "People have been working on China for years. If Trump is doing that, he's doing the right thing."

Let's look at Bernie's comments on this from CBS This Morning;

Link to tweet

I don't see how this is wrong, sorry. This is perhaps the most important issue we're facing as a country and by getting China directly involved is the right thing to do. I don't know about you but the threat of nuclear war scares the living shit out of me.

[Demsrule86]

40. It is very bad and helps no one except Trump who is given cover by such a statement...

Resist and Persist...no collaboration with the orange asshat.

[PaintedSkies]

51. I believe Bernie is correct on this /shrug

[musette_sf]

58. NORTH KOREA is "the most important issue we're facing as a country"????

I'll be blunt: BULLSHIT. Rump The Hun is up to his ears in hock to China, and the only "coaxing" he's doing with them is to beg them not to call in his chits.

[PaintedSkies]

59. Nuclear war is greater than anything else

[musette_sf]

63. Yeah right, like Fat Baby Elvis

and his Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight are the greatest threat to humanity, not. This is all about Rump The Hun cozying up to China so they don't call his debts in.

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[Cha]

89. Because BS is normalzing trump.. certainly

even his fans can see that.

[kentuck]

27. Don't forget one little fact Bernie...

Donald Trump is now heavily invested in the country of China. He received 35 business licenses after the election. He would rather betray the whole of America than to give up those future profits in China. It is no small matter.

[emulatorloo]

43. Good point about Trump's business ties to China

Easily overlooked with the fast and furious flow of disinformation from the White House.

[musette_sf]

60. Rump The Hun is cajoling China

to not call in his chits. This is all appeasement of China. MAGA my ass.

[kentuck]

66. Notice how China became his closest ally?

Especially after they approved all his business licenses. The biggest conflict of interest we shall ever see.

[oberliner]

29. Headline is a lie

Typical of CNN.

[QC]

36. But it sure did get people stirred up, didn't it? n/t

[oberliner]

41. Yep

Good clickbait for CNN.

They are all about stirring things up - getting viewers, getting attention, etc.

That's why they have six to ten boxes of people yelling at each other as their prime time programming.

[QC]

46. Yeah. It's sad what has happened to journalism in this country.

I think that the for-profit model just doesn't work in some fields, like education and journalism.

Here's a great video on the nature of corporate news media.

[oberliner]

61. Great video

Thanks for sharing!

[QC]

68. Glad you like it. Wish a few people here would watch it and think about it

rather than gobble up every transparent piece of corporate media crap like a chicken on a junebug.

[sarisataka]

48. It served it's purpose

much like the hammer the doctor taps on your knee

[QC]

70. Like Pavlov's bell. n/t

[sarisataka]

72. Very true

[TCJ70]

57. Yep...string all the quotes together and it sounds like good policy:

North Korea is a real danger to this world, and we have got to do everything we can to ... prevent a nuclear war and to get them to stop their nuclear program. China has got to apply the screws and tell North Korea that if their economy is going to survive, they cannot continue expanding their nuclear arms program and their missile program. China is, in fact, the key. People have been working on China for years. If Trump is doing that, he's doing the right thing.

Who could argue with that?

[MFM008]

30. Someone so corrupted

Cannot be right about anything.
ANYTHING.

[delisen]

37. Sanders on foreign policy is like a fish out of water

sort of like trump in foreign policy.

China is the decision-maker on N. Korea

I am bothered by both the Trump and the Sanders views on foreign policy. There is a lack of depth of knowledge which I think makes it difficult to make reasoned decisions.

I don't see either Sanders or Trump as being able to govern with the ability of an Angela Merckel

Yet in our modern world I think we need the Merckels.

[Cha]

87. Excellent points, delisen..

thank you.

[boston bean]

38. finds praise for trump..... damn...

[ucrdem]

42. Meanwhile we're supposed to focus laser-like on Trump's demise, not on Sanders,

and Sanders is supposed to focus on what exactly?

[George II]

52. He's escalated tension between the US and N. Korea and is threatening military intervention.

This is the right track? Isn't this is same person who keeps reminding us all that he voted against war 15 years ago?

So let's see, within hours of criticizing President Obama for earning a living by giving speeches, he's praising trump.

[uponit7771]

53. +1!!!, I didn't even think to look at the validity of the statement

[TCJ70]

56. This thread should really be locked, it's a garbage headline...

...but let's for a second discuss the content, rather than the speaker.

If we string all the quotes together and remove the word Trump, tell me what's wrong with this:

North Korea is a real danger to this world, and we have got to do everything we can to ... prevent a nuclear war and to get them to stop their nuclear program. China has got to apply the screws and tell North Korea that if their economy is going to survive, they cannot continue expanding their nuclear arms program and their missile program. China is, in fact, the key. People have been working on China for years. If we are doing that, we are doing the right thing.

That sounds like some sound foreign policy to me. The key word here is "if". What's being stated isn't high praise for the president. It's a statement of what Sanders hopes will happen.

[NastyRiffraff]

62. If Sanders really "hopes will happen"

He's either naive or stupid. Or, possibly, just looking for a headline.

I'd hate to try to get between Sanders and a camera. Or a random reporter.

(Note to jury: The above is my personal opinion.)

[TCJ70]

64. Yep...no politician should ever state what they wish to see if the odds are stacked against it...

...I guess that was the thread that followed through most of the last two years politically...at least from the Democrats side. Why push for something better at all? Let's just give up, lay down, and die.

[NastyRiffraff]

65. I realize that this is He Who Cannot Be Criticized and Is Always Right

It looks like it's Sanders who's giving up. Let's all hail Commissar Trump! North Korea is a complex issue, of which apparently Sanders has little knowledge or understanding. Rather than running his mouth in support of Trump, maybe he should read up on it.

[TCJ70]

67. Can you point to which part of the statement is praise for Trump?

Where exactly does that "support of Trump" that you see come from? The headline isn't a quote from Sanders. Those words...on the right track...were never said by him.

Also, you never really said what was wrong with the idea of encouraging China to help with North Korea. Is that inherently bad? Or is it only bad if Sanders suggests it?

You can criticize all you want. No one is above that. How, with this statement, is Sanders giving up?

[NastyRiffraff]

71. How about the FACT

that he's upholding Dump on an issue he doesn't understand any more than Dump does? Watch for actions, rather than words. His actions show a willingness to constantly criticize Democrats, including President Obama, while defending Republicans (Dump, Coulter).

[TCJ70]

73. You're deflecting and not answering the question

You're upset about this for no good reason. There is no part of the statement upholding anything except the idea of China pressuring North Korea.

So I'll ask the questions again: Which part of the statement is praising/upholding Trump? Is encouraging China to pressure North Korea inherently bad, or only bad because Sanders is saying it's a decent goal?

Feel free to not answer and wallow in your Sanders Induced Rage if you want. But that would be the end of this conversation.

[NastyRiffraff]

74. Yes, you get the last word!!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!

[melman]

78. Garbage thread

Nothing but deliberate flamebait.

[uponit7771]

80. Garbage is bashing dems like Obama and giving Benedict Donald the Benefit of the doubt

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[Cha]

86. Talk to BS about "flamebait".. he's the one who

said "trump was on the right track with NK.