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judy

(1,942 posts)
Thu May 11, 2017, 11:53 AM May 2017

Unbelievably brazen dirty trick: WH working on sabotaging the 2018 election...

President Donald Trump will make good on a promise to investigate alleged vote fraud with an executive order on Tuesday, White House officials tell NBC News.

The order will establish a commission to review alleged voter fraud and voter suppression throughout the American election system. Vice President Mike Pence will head the group, called the "Presidential Commission on Election Integrity." Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach will serve as vice chair.

The panel will be tasked with studying "vulnerabilities" in the voting system, as well as potential impacts on "improper voting, fraudulent voter registrations, and fraudulent voting."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-establish-vote-fraud-commission/ar-BBB0RhB?OCID=ansmsnnews11

As maybe a lot of you know, Kris Kobach is the infamous Trump adviser behind "Interstate Crosscheck", which helped take many minority voters of the rolls to ensure a Trump victory.
For more info about Crosscheck:
http://www.gregpalast.com
Edited to add this article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

This "commission" is just a trick to worsen the integrity of the voting system and making sure that Republicans are elected in spite of their recent fall from grace...
I will write my senators and rep about this, but this doesn't bode well at all...who can stop this??! I have no idea...

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Unbelievably brazen dirty trick: WH working on sabotaging the 2018 election... (Original Post) judy May 2017 OP
All Democrats will be well advised to take to the polls their VOTING REGISTRATION CARD. THAT cannot WinkyDink May 2017 #1
Abolish voter registration. sharedvalues May 2017 #3
"Government knows who is voter eligible." Say what? And do you KNOW how we pay taxes? Like through WinkyDink May 2017 #26
We can do all those things without voter registration. Why make it a holy grail? fleabiscuit May 2017 #52
People are chosen for jury duty from combined lists, one of which is voter registration. Pacifist Patriot May 2017 #59
Amen...that's the truth iluvtennis May 2017 #33
Internet Crosscheck kicks people out of the voting rolls judy May 2017 #6
In Texas and other states they have enacted this extra hurdle Picture ID's MagickMuffin May 2017 #9
here in tennessee, they don't want to see your registration card...they look at your drivers license spanone May 2017 #12
And what happens if you look like a Democrat? IronLionZion May 2017 #16
Apparently, we had a little push back from Judges MagickMuffin May 2017 #19
Thank you for that information...did that just occur recently? spanone May 2017 #20
I believe it was in 2016 MagickMuffin May 2017 #25
good news....thanks again!! spanone May 2017 #31
"They" are poll-workers. YOU need to complain formally to the DEMOCRATIC POLL-WATCHER THERE. WinkyDink May 2017 #28
When they ask if I have a drivers license, I always say yes, Tanuki May 2017 #30
Kobach's job judy May 2017 #14
Yes, Kobach doesn't believe in democracy if it means MagickMuffin May 2017 #21
Largely ignoring this has been a huge mistake not fooled May 2017 #34
I believe that is why so many Rs feel they have no need to pay attention to constituents. THey Amaryllis May 2017 #40
Someone in justice or intel may be trying to stop Kobach - lots more here: Amaryllis May 2017 #39
Just Wow. I was thinking that this group Trump started will not only effect 2018 but Maraya1969 May 2017 #49
A photo ID is just that; it is NOT one's validated VOTER Registration card, which is why I wrote WinkyDink May 2017 #27
I understand what you wrote, however, MagickMuffin May 2017 #32
Ossoff. Perez. are working on this. sharedvalues May 2017 #2
In France, they also have paper ballots judy May 2017 #5
apparently Holland just did the same; guess americans are too smart for that... nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #57
Thanks for that info. BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #35
Wait! I mean Kander, Perez. Let America Vote is right sharedvalues May 2017 #41
D'OH!!! BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #43
they need to look at the hackable machines, not just suppression. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #56
Funny - they're the ones who are most likely to commit voter fraud! Initech May 2017 #4
Well of course they are CanonRay May 2017 #7
We need hearings held on the vulnerability of our equipment. And fix it all before 11/18! JudyM May 2017 #8
Tell those at risk to register as Republican padfun May 2017 #10
I kind of like that idea. n/t susanna May 2017 #15
Dirty? Undoubtedly. Brazen? Probably. Unbelievable? Not a bit of it............. socialist_n_TN May 2017 #11
So true... judy May 2017 #13
a task force with no authority, just a prop to assuage Trump's ego, stacked geek tragedy May 2017 #17
A task force with an Opposite Day name. BlancheSplanchnik May 2017 #36
Is this being challenged in court yet? Tiggeroshii May 2017 #18
good question secondwind May 2017 #22
More from Putin's playbook orangecrush May 2017 #23
Dems should make a BIG deal out of thie being a bipartisan Commission world wide wally May 2017 #24
I would like to know what the Democratic leaders are doing to bring Kobach and the other fascist geretogo May 2017 #29
They don't intend to ever give up power again. Crunchy Frog May 2017 #37
correct; they've got a system that works, and they intend to expand and entrench it. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #55
Interstate Crosscheck is partly what got him "elected" in the first place. We may not have even Amaryllis May 2017 #38
Just noted that Ken Blackwell is also being considered for the commisison. He was Ohio SOS Amaryllis May 2017 #42
ACLU checked in on this. wildeyed May 2017 #44
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #47
This has been the plan all along Generic Brad May 2017 #45
Kick. dalton99a May 2017 #46
You don't even have to be alive to vote for Trump keithbvadu2 May 2017 #48
"improper voting, fraudulent voter registrations, and fraudulent voting." being defined as Thor_MN May 2017 #50
CHEATING IS THEIR ONLY OPTION. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #51
Cheating is their only option sharedvalues May 2017 #60
This is the payoff, and the threat, to Congress. "Do what I say, or I'll see to it you're toast." Honeycombe8 May 2017 #53
yet the dem leadership and many here are in complete denial about the machines, suppression, etc. TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #54
Those who make access to the voting booth impossible MarcA May 2017 #58
here is the solution rtracey May 2017 #61
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. All Democrats will be well advised to take to the polls their VOTING REGISTRATION CARD. THAT cannot
Thu May 11, 2017, 11:56 AM
May 2017

be denied!!!

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
3. Abolish voter registration.
Thu May 11, 2017, 11:58 AM
May 2017

Do you need to register to pay taxes?

To serve on juries?

So why do we have to "register" to vote?

Government knows who is voter eligible. The whole registration system was used during Jim Crow to suppress votes.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
26. "Government knows who is voter eligible." Say what? And do you KNOW how we pay taxes? Like through
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:41 PM
May 2017

being REGISTERED as property owners; employees; citizens (per capita), etc.

Do you KNOW how people are chosen for jury duty (Hint: We're REGISTERED TO VOTE.)?

You seem completely unaware of what actually transpires when one goes to vote---AND WHY.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
52. We can do all those things without voter registration. Why make it a holy grail?
Fri May 12, 2017, 12:51 AM
May 2017

We have motor/voter registration in OR without registration cards. Vote by mail.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
59. People are chosen for jury duty from combined lists, one of which is voter registration.
Fri May 12, 2017, 03:33 AM
May 2017

You can get called for jury duty without being registered to vote.

Having a state-issued ID or driver's license, buying a home, and/or filing tax returns can get you on the list as well.

judy

(1,942 posts)
6. Internet Crosscheck kicks people out of the voting rolls
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:15 PM
May 2017

whether they have a registration card or not...
Kris Kobach works for Trump, and will only make things worse.
About 2 million voters were taken off the rolls for "voter fraud" in 2016, just because they had similar last names in two or more states, even when the first name or the middle name was different. Usually, typical African American, Hispanic or Asian names.
Check it out at http://www.gregpalast.com

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
9. In Texas and other states they have enacted this extra hurdle Picture ID's
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:28 PM
May 2017

So, you don't even need a voter registration card.

And Kobach is one of the people responsible for some of the picture id's.

spanone

(135,843 posts)
12. here in tennessee, they don't want to see your registration card...they look at your drivers license
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:32 PM
May 2017

then they look at you....then back at your drivers license.....

i fricken hate it.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
19. Apparently, we had a little push back from Judges
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:21 PM
May 2017

So, we can forgo not showing photo id, however, you have to sign a statement why you don't own a photo id.

I am a precinct chair since 2008, and I keep a watchful eye on our clerks. Although, they have generally been on the up and up if you can believe it.


MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
25. I believe it was in 2016
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:30 PM
May 2017

The other huge win was in Texas, where the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, perhaps the most conservative federal appeals court in the country, balked at the Texas voter ID law, ordering the lower court to make it easier for people to vote.



http://www.npr.org/2016/08/05/488748072/stricter-voter-id-and-other-voting-laws-rolled-back-in-slew-of-court-decisions


Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
30. When they ask if I have a drivers license, I always say yes,
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:46 PM
May 2017

and that I also have a copy of the U.S. Constitution, which says nothing about photo i.d. as a requirement for voting.

judy

(1,942 posts)
14. Kobach's job
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:36 PM
May 2017

is to stop from voting people who might vote Democratic.
So far, no one has made a move to stop him...

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
21. Yes, Kobach doesn't believe in democracy if it means
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

certain people can vote. He doesn't like minority voters or college voters, because of you know, who they are voting for.


not fooled

(5,801 posts)
34. Largely ignoring this has been a huge mistake
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:22 PM
May 2017

on the part of national Democratic leadership. A colossal strategic blunder that just enables the GOPee to keep upping the ante. No one stops them other than the judiciary on occasion, and look where it got them this time--control of the entire government.

If this goes to the Supremely Biased Court, Gosuck will enshrine voter suppression.

Perhaps Dem leadership is finally taking this seriously--I hope so.

Confidence in their ability to suppress the vote likely accounts for the GOPee feeling that they can push through their tax cut for the wealthy, aka AHCA, and also shrug at dump's incompetence. They think they have 2018 and 2020 in the bag.

Massive voter registration and turnout seems to be our only route to fight back.

Oh, and pukes hate democracy.




Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
40. I believe that is why so many Rs feel they have no need to pay attention to constituents. THey
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

know they have elections in the bag. Dems MUST take this seriously.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
39. Someone in justice or intel may be trying to stop Kobach - lots more here:
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:00 PM
May 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016183538
HUGE: Federal judge orders Interstate Crosscheck architect Kobach to share docs from meeting w Trump

Maraya1969

(22,482 posts)
49. Just Wow. I was thinking that this group Trump started will not only effect 2018 but
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:32 PM
May 2017

also will help cover up any left over evidence of hacking from 2016. There is a reason why the Dems were supposed to take back the house and ended up losing seats

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
27. A photo ID is just that; it is NOT one's validated VOTER Registration card, which is why I wrote
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:42 PM
May 2017

what I wrote.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
32. I understand what you wrote, however,
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:06 PM
May 2017

you don't need your voter registration card to vote at least not in Texas. You can just show a photo id. I've voted like that way before we were forced to show a photo id.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. Ossoff. Perez. are working on this.
Thu May 11, 2017, 11:56 AM
May 2017

Ossoff has a group called Let America Vote, focused specifically on voter suppression.

Donate to him and say you want election day on a Sunday as in France to make it easier for workers to vote. GOP wants to reduce hours because young workers lean Dem.

Voter suppression is on the DNC radar too.

judy

(1,942 posts)
5. In France, they also have paper ballots
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:10 PM
May 2017

That are counted by hand...
They know better than to have electronic machines without paper trails...this is how they defeated full fledged fascism.
I hope you are right about DNC...

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
35. Thanks for that info.
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:32 PM
May 2017

I was getting tonnnns of dramatic emails from his campaign. Pretty annoying.

I'm glad to know this, now I *will* make a donation.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
41. Wait! I mean Kander, Perez. Let America Vote is right
Thu May 11, 2017, 03:23 PM
May 2017

Not Ossoff, Kander. From Missouri.
Org is Let America Vote.

I confused the thirty-something brownhaired progressives running in red states.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
8. We need hearings held on the vulnerability of our equipment. And fix it all before 11/18!
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:25 PM
May 2017

This needs to be prioritized by congressional Dems. Why isn't it?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
11. Dirty? Undoubtedly. Brazen? Probably. Unbelievable? Not a bit of it.............
Thu May 11, 2017, 12:29 PM
May 2017

Why would anyone be surprised by this? This is what the right-wing DOES.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
29. I would like to know what the Democratic leaders are doing to bring Kobach and the other fascist
Thu May 11, 2017, 01:44 PM
May 2017

criminals to court for justice . I see them doing NOTHING , NOTHING . More Rehtugs will be elected
in 2018 because the Democrats will let the Rethugs steal more seats in the House and Senate .

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
38. Interstate Crosscheck is partly what got him "elected" in the first place. We may not have even
Thu May 11, 2017, 02:51 PM
May 2017

needed Russia to do it with CRosscheck and gerrymandering and voting machines issues.

Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
42. Just noted that Ken Blackwell is also being considered for the commisison. He was Ohio SOS
Thu May 11, 2017, 04:25 PM
May 2017

who helped Diebold steal the 2004 election for Bush, Ohio chair of the Bush reelection campaign.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
44. ACLU checked in on this.
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:14 PM
May 2017



Kris Kobach, vice chair of "Election Integrity" commission, has been sued by the ACLU for voter suppression 4 times.

Our record is 4-0.

Go ACLU! Maybe we should crash their servers with donations yet again?

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
45. This has been the plan all along
Thu May 11, 2017, 09:23 PM
May 2017

Make sure we never have real elections again. That is why the lies are so brazen and the corruption is being committed in full view.

I've been calling this for months.

keithbvadu2

(36,819 posts)
48. You don't even have to be alive to vote for Trump
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:15 PM
May 2017

You don't even have to be alive to vote for Trump

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/trump-voter-wont-face-charges-after-being-caught-impersonating-her-dead-mother-at-polling-place/

Trump voter won’t face charges after being caught impersonating her dead mother at polling place

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
50. "improper voting, fraudulent voter registrations, and fraudulent voting." being defined as
Thu May 11, 2017, 10:41 PM
May 2017

not voting for Cheetolini.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
60. Cheating is their only option
Fri May 12, 2017, 07:57 AM
May 2017

Because their policies are terrible for America. So the GOP needs to cheat and lie to have any chance of getting what they want.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
53. This is the payoff, and the threat, to Congress. "Do what I say, or I'll see to it you're toast."
Fri May 12, 2017, 01:18 AM
May 2017

People are saying here that Trump is going down. But I don't see any ACTION toward that. No strong words by Republicans indicating that Trump is any trouble where it counts: with Congress, and with investigations of collusion with Russia.

If any make a sound of doing anything, they'll think twice, if Trump has a hand in manipulating votes.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
61. here is the solution
Fri May 12, 2017, 10:12 AM
May 2017

paper ballots, 1 witness from repub, 1 witness democrats, 1 independent counter....per set of ballot boxes, or machines that have been manufactured and maintained by someone not affiliated or related to a government agency or official.

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