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****OH SHIT**** Israel might be the source of intel Trump shared with Russia. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP
Bibi's gonna go bonkers C_U_L8R May 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author GeoWilliam750 May 2017 #29
We don't know if it was Israel, though. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #51
Dershowitz going bananas C_U_L8R May 2017 #56
Dershowitz is almost as clueless as Trump. Fantastic Anarchist May 2017 #62
That would not be good. At all. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #2
And not even American assets. International citizens! Fucking moron. Feathery Scout May 2017 #49
Why would he do that, give away Israel's info? Madam45for2923 May 2017 #3
Don't look for motivations. He has none. RedWedge May 2017 #11
More interesting to ask: WHY would Israel or our Hortensis May 2017 #23
I suspect, judging from the articles, it was nothing more than dick-waving. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #36
My thoughts too! n/t mtngirl47 May 2017 #37
From all reports, that's exactly what happened. NastyRiffraff May 2017 #39
I believe the literal quote was "I've got the best intel!" yardwork May 2017 #44
Because he's Putin's Puppet. Drunken Irishman May 2017 #42
Just for fun? luvallpeeps May 2017 #57
Easy answer! rufus dog May 2017 #47
can't be that stupid. can he? luvallpeeps May 2017 #58
Because he's a useless fuckup. eShirl May 2017 #48
Sounds like he was bragging and disclosed info he didn't appreciate the value/sensitivity of... Feathery Scout May 2017 #50
Cuz Putin told him to. luvallpeeps May 2017 #55
Message deleted by DU the Administrators anarch May 2017 #67
Yes but this was another's country intel - not ours Madam45for2923 May 2017 #68
I believe that was a hypothetical illustration and not meant to be actual information grantcart May 2017 #4
CBS tv news just really bashed trump for revealing classified intel. mucifer May 2017 #5
Ok. I see a suspended overseas trip and an extensive golf stay at Mar a Lago in his future Freethinker65 May 2017 #6
Not to Mar a Lago radical noodle May 2017 #26
Yep. It'll be Virginia or Jersey for the rest of his presidency. JHB May 2017 #43
Out of curiosity what makes you think it's Israel. nycbos May 2017 #7
He sold out Israel in less than 120 days? Ilsa May 2017 #8
Surely If It Is Israel..... global1 May 2017 #13
Corker's the first- Many more will follow if this is true. n/t bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #21
he never cared about israel or their people. JI7 May 2017 #31
Nazis don't care for Jews? Generic Brad May 2017 #38
I saw that segment. Yes, it was suggested as a "WHAT IF" scenario. writes3000 May 2017 #9
I suspect when it comes to the M E the Mossad's intel is superb. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #14
Was my first thought. Turn CO Blue May 2017 #10
IF so, we can go purchase some celebratory champagne and allow Mossad to remedy the situation. NightWatcher May 2017 #12
Our allies will now withhold any intelligence from us. charlyvi May 2017 #15
I think the source ally could be Saudi Arabia or Jordan... Pachamama May 2017 #16
MTE. Fox is hinting Israel too. CNN, Fox, etc may be hearing this behind the scenes. anneboleyn May 2017 #17
They're probably dead now, or in some private prison being tortured. bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #22
Honestly, who else would it be? RedWedge May 2017 #18
My first thought was it was from the Israelis. madaboutharry May 2017 #19
I thougt that was kind of obvious Nevernose May 2017 #20
Dump is gonna learn one thing now. roamer65 May 2017 #24
I don't think Drumpf should GO TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY.......Can't onecent May 2017 #25
Yes, absolutely! colorado_ufo May 2017 #27
yes Colorado ufo....I saw his smile the first time they were there, onecent May 2017 #28
Dumpty is INCOMPETENT and needs to be IMPEACHED. GAH iluvtennis May 2017 #30
Aren't there laws about revealing classified information? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #32
That's a yes, but leftynyc May 2017 #64
Is he REALLY legally entitled to declassify whatever he wishes? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #70
Yes - he's legally entitled leftynyc May 2017 #71
Okay then, if he declassified that material, PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #72
Well, I could easily use the argument leftynyc May 2017 #73
end times strategy bora13 May 2017 #33
So Bibi ... now do you miss Obama? n/t moonscape May 2017 #34
Thought this immediately. WinkyDink May 2017 #35
Espionage is a cat and mouse game, carefully played bucolic_frolic May 2017 #40
In the late 19th and early 20th Century, it was "The Great Game" and the "Tournament of Shadows" brooklynite May 2017 #45
omg ... israel, iran, isis flamingdem May 2017 #41
If info was from them duncang May 2017 #46
We don't know if it was Israel, though. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #52
Oh. My. God. gldstwmn May 2017 #53
What if luvallpeeps May 2017 #54
Israel got the stooge they deserved. NT Hokie May 2017 #59
This can certainly be good/bad news. Behind the Aegis May 2017 #60
Those are my two guesses leftynyc May 2017 #65
Didn't we all assume that? I know I did. nt tblue37 May 2017 #61
Not Israel DeminPennswoods May 2017 #63
No - I don't think so leftynyc May 2017 #66
Trump spews top secret info to Russians workinclasszero May 2017 #69

Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #1)

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
56. Dershowitz going bananas
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:13 PM
May 2017

On CNN seems like a pretty strong clue (among others)

You don't mess with Mossad.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
62. Dershowitz is almost as clueless as Trump.
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:21 AM
May 2017

He's a torture supporting, lying, vengeful, plagiarist.

I wouldn't put much stock into what he says.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
2. That would not be good. At all.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:36 PM
May 2017

This fucking moron has compromised intelligence information and assets in order to brag about how great he is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. More interesting to ask: WHY would Israel or our
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:30 PM
May 2017

services give 45 important but very sensitive information that even could lead ISIS to undercover agents? Seriously, they may have felt they had to, but I'm also seriously wondering if it was fed to him to see what he would do with it.

This is not a new problem. Intelligence services started worrying about how they would handle a 45 presidency long before he was elected.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
36. I suspect, judging from the articles, it was nothing more than dick-waving.
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:52 PM
May 2017

"See, I've got these great facts, you guys, check it out"

He's like a fucking toddler.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
39. From all reports, that's exactly what happened.
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:12 PM
May 2017

From the Post article:

In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. “I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” the president said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.
Washington Post

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
57. Just for fun?
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:13 PM
May 2017

I just posted something similar before reading this. Maybe since Trump isn't able to deliver what Vlad really wanted, he is gonna just mess with us for shits and giggles? Trump did admit he invited them into the Whitehouse at Putin's behest. Putin is blatantly rubbing our noses in it?

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
58. can't be that stupid. can he?
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:24 PM
May 2017

And he really makes no bones about it. Good God! He doesn't even bother to pretend he gives a fiddler's _uck. But we knew he was a whack job from jump street. I just can't understand what he could gain by such an inept, clownish display. Especially after railing about Hillary and her emails. I truly believe this was Vladimir Putin's way to stick it to........

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
55. Cuz Putin told him to.
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:10 PM
May 2017

I really do now believe Putin is the puppet master here. If he can't get those sanctions lifted, at least he can rub it our faces that he pulled quite the stunt?

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
68. Yes but this was another's country intel - not ours
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:54 AM
May 2017

I say another country because we don't know if it was Israel for sure.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. He sold out Israel in less than 120 days?
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:41 PM
May 2017

He needs to be impeached now.

"NSA and CIA trying to clean up his mess." - CNN

global1

(25,253 posts)
13. Surely If It Is Israel.....
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:43 PM
May 2017

this will be the straw that broke the camel's back and the Repugs will start putting a lot of distance between themselves and Trump and we should be able to begin to see the wheels of impeachment start turning.

writes3000

(4,734 posts)
9. I saw that segment. Yes, it was suggested as a "WHAT IF" scenario.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:41 PM
May 2017

The journalist didn't say he knew for sure that it was Israel or any other country. As the OPtates, it was all hypothetical. Just to be clear.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
15. Our allies will now withhold any intelligence from us.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:44 PM
May 2017

They cannot trust us with intel; Trump* has now made it perfectly clear that the only fellow nation he respects is Russia. I wonder how much he owes them, or what type of kompromat they have. Or is he just that evil?

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
16. I think the source ally could be Saudi Arabia or Jordan...
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:47 PM
May 2017

That will certainly screw next week's field trip....

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
17. MTE. Fox is hinting Israel too. CNN, Fox, etc may be hearing this behind the scenes.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:52 PM
May 2017

Was this some kind of a test from Putin? The Russians would immediately leak this shit to Iran, etc. If there are Israeli assets ISIS that Trump the Incompetent Fucktard revealed god help them.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
20. I thougt that was kind of obvious
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:25 PM
May 2017

No other ally fi5s that description. Doesn't play well with our other allies, doesn't play well with Russia/Syria, has the capability to infiltrate ISIS.

Mos radical groups in the area -- Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah -- are comprised to one degree or another by Israeli intelligence.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
25. I don't think Drumpf should GO TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY.......Can't
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:33 PM
May 2017

we stop him somehow......I don't know why the marshall's don't have him in cuffs...

I hate this son of a bitch......I made a comment when I saw those Russians in there...and How
MUCH DRUMPF WAS SMILING.....NEVER SMILED LIKE THAT BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

colorado_ufo

(5,734 posts)
27. Yes, absolutely!
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:28 PM
May 2017

I made the same observation to my husband: Real, warm, engaging smiles, back pats, body language. Look at them sitting together - facing each other, smiling; compare with Angela Merkel!

The SOB doesn't even smile at "Golden Daughter" Ivanka that warmly.

He has the look of a rock fan who just got a personally signed album from Jagger.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
28. yes Colorado ufo....I saw his smile the first time they were there,
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:31 PM
May 2017

and thought MY GOD HE HAS NEVER SMILED AT IVANKA THAT WAY....

You could TELL SOMETHING WAS AMISS!!!!!!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
64. That's a yes, but
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:32 AM
May 2017

He's legally entitled to declassify whatever he wishes. That's not the point. He compromised another country's intelligence and has put their sources in danger (likely to get them killed). The issue is that no other country is going to want to share any intelligence with us because we have an imbecile in the oval office who can't keep his mouth shut.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
70. Is he REALLY legally entitled to declassify whatever he wishes?
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:09 AM
May 2017

So the President really is above the law.

And here I thought that the essential lesson of Watergate was: Even the President is not above the law.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
71. Yes - he's legally entitled
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:17 AM
May 2017

to declassify. This is why sitting home or voting third party is such a bullshit thing to do. VOTES MATTER and anyone who didn't vote for Hillary and could have is responsible for this. This and watergate are apples and oranges.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
72. Okay then, if he declassified that material,
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:48 AM
May 2017

whatever it was, it should be freely shared with all of us.

I'm being a bit sarcastic there.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
73. Well, I could easily use the argument
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:48 PM
May 2017

that if the russians can see it, why can't the American people. Does degenerate donnie consider them more reliable than his own citizens?

bucolic_frolic

(43,181 posts)
40. Espionage is a cat and mouse game, carefully played
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:13 PM
May 2017

Chess is probably a better analogy. The Cold War revealed there
was a certain stability to the standoff.

Upsetting the apple cart like a bull in a china shop is going to have consequences

brooklynite

(94,595 posts)
45. In the late 19th and early 20th Century, it was "The Great Game" and the "Tournament of Shadows"
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:22 PM
May 2017

I'm not sure either would apply to Trump.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
46. If info was from them
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:23 PM
May 2017

They have very respected intelligence service. Pissing them off may not have been a good idea. It could end up biting fipshit in the butt. This could make the leaks on dipshit from overseas everyone has been waiting for come true.

luvallpeeps

(935 posts)
54. What if
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:09 PM
May 2017

This may be my overactive imagination, but what if Trump really is being blackmailed by Putin? Can he be that tone deaf to have the Russians in the whitehouse the day after he fired Comey? What if it is at Putin's behest that he put this horrifying display on for whomever has any doubt as to who's zoomin' who? I just get the sick sinking feeling that Putin is having a field day with this.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
60. This can certainly be good/bad news.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:47 AM
May 2017

If it is Israel, then there will likely be some upcoming issues. The right may actually start to turn, but then the other side will be overjoyed that Israel was the country betrayed, especially to the Russians. This will ultimately be bad for us as a country because if the "president" was "outed" Israel, what other nation who considers themselves allies with us will ever take a risk with sharing information with us, not knowing if it will end up in Russian hands, especially France, Germany, and the UK.

There is a possibility it could have been Jordan. I have read a few accounts from foreign papers that Jordan has actually been quite good at gathering information on ISIS.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
65. Those are my two guesses
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:34 AM
May 2017

Israel or Jordan. Either way the imbecile is likely to have gotten people killed because he's busy sucking up to Russia.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
63. Not Israel
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:28 AM
May 2017

Syria. I happened to catch Howard Dean on with Greta Van Sustern and he had the source and the consequences figured out in about 30 seconds. Assad is a Russian client who they've been openly supporting during the ongoing civil war. They will tell him and whoever got the intel that was shared with us will be dead.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
66. No - I don't think so
Tue May 16, 2017, 07:37 AM
May 2017

The word is this came from a FRIENDLY country that will now be very skittish about sharing information with us. That doesn't describe Syria at all and in fact, there is nothing about Syria we can't find out FROM the Russians. It was Israel or Jordan.

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