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marmar

(77,088 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:51 AM Jul 2012

Midwest can't get any relief from oppressive heat


DETROIT — When the air conditioner stopped in Ashley Jackson's Southfield, Mich., home, so too did normal conversations and nightly rest.

"Inside the house it was 91 degrees. ... I wasn't talking to anybody. Nobody was talking to anybody," said Jackson, 23, who works as a short-order cook in Detroit. "We mostly slept, but it was hard to sleep because of the heat. I probably got about four hours of sleep each night."

St. Louis, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Chicago and several other Midwest cities already have broken heat records this week or are on the verge of doing so. And with even low temperatures setting record highs, some residents have no means of relief, day or night.

The National Weather Service said the record-breaking heat that has baked the nation's midsection for several days was slowly moving into the mid-Atlantic states and Northeast. Excessive-heat warnings remained in place Friday for all of Iowa, Indiana and Illinois as well as much of Wisconsin, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio and Kentucky. ............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120706/US.Heat.Wave/?cid=hero_media



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Midwest can't get any relief from oppressive heat (Original Post) marmar Jul 2012 OP
109 here in Milwaukee yesterday, and in some places 113.... It's so dry... midnight Jul 2012 #1
92 at 10:53 a.m. here in Motown...... marmar Jul 2012 #2
My "Weather Channel" app says 86. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #3
The apps are always an hour or so behind....If you flip on Weatherscan on cable.... marmar Jul 2012 #5
butbutbut WUWM said 104. pansypoo53219 Jul 2012 #17
I think by the time it hits 100 it doesn't much matter if our weather men say 104,106 it's awful.... midnight Jul 2012 #20
And not much more than 30% chance of rain over the weekend. HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #18
Brush fires coming spinbaby Jul 2012 #19
We've got to start building/renovating houses so they are not so dependent on air-conditioning. antigone382 Jul 2012 #4
I think you and I have a lot to talk about. nt DCKit Jul 2012 #9
In what respect, Charlie? :) antigone382 Jul 2012 #11
I lived in Mexico for a year... a la izquierda Jul 2012 #10
Yeah, passive solar with lots of thermal mass works well in the Southwest. antigone382 Jul 2012 #12
There are limits to that, however. nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #15
I went without power in Detroit from about 6:45 pm 7/4 to about 7:15 pm 7/5 Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #6
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #7
It's been cool along California's Northern Coast Auggie Jul 2012 #8
I'm in the Central Valley, where it is usually SalviaBlue Jul 2012 #13
I live in the Bay Area lunatica Jul 2012 #21
I noticed that too Auggie Jul 2012 #22
I bitched for years about Sf area in summer being so cold. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #23
102 predicted for tomorrow in NY. HappyMe Jul 2012 #14
It's 12:30 here in Indy and already the temp is 99. High will be 103. AngryOldDem Jul 2012 #16
It hit 104 here today (far western suburbs of Chicago). Heat index was 115 riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #24
Did you see this weather forecast? Rather telling. uppityperson Jul 2012 #25
We just had a line of thunderstorms go through Minneapolis. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #26
92 in Flint at 9:15pm and it seems to be dropping by about a degree an hour. Siwsan Jul 2012 #27
We got our July weather in June this year and it seems way less wind, which helped some patrice Jul 2012 #28
If you can get away, come out to the California coast slackmaster Jul 2012 #29

marmar

(77,088 posts)
5. The apps are always an hour or so behind....If you flip on Weatherscan on cable....
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jul 2012

...... it reads 91 right now.

pansypoo53219

(20,993 posts)
17. butbutbut WUWM said 104.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:45 PM
Jul 2012

we don't have AC. i stayed up to 7 trying to get the house cool as possible for today. it didn't get under 90 w/ a fan in the window. what is aug gonna be like?!?

and could we get some RAIN!

and my cats insist on MY LAP!

midnight

(26,624 posts)
20. I think by the time it hits 100 it doesn't much matter if our weather men say 104,106 it's awful....
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jul 2012

You poor dear... This heat is over the top hot here in Milwaukee. One radio station warned it's a burn off your face hot outside...

A visitor from Minnesota told me a few people just dropped dead last week...

I saw clouds last evening and was hoping for the rain we need, but they seem to have moved on....

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. And not much more than 30% chance of rain over the weekend.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jul 2012

Recently this feels more like Bastrop TX than WI.


spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
19. Brush fires coming
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jul 2012

It's drier than a popcorn fart here in Pittsburgh. In the late 80s we had fires that had a suffocating smoky haze hanging over the landscape for weeks it seemed. I'm betting we see that again.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
4. We've got to start building/renovating houses so they are not so dependent on air-conditioning.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:57 AM
Jul 2012

I feel very fortunate to be living in a well-insulated house. I can open the windows at night and close them during the day, and keeping the fans running is enough to keep the temperature bearable. It's a major problem that most buildings cannot passively contribute to a tolerably comfortable interior temperature this way. Heating and cooling inefficiently constructed buildings is a *major* user of energy, and by extension a source of the carbon emissions that are creating these problems. We need to spread the German Passive House movement so that it becomes the standard in construction and renovation.

Of course, I'm from the South, so I consider 91 to be unpleasant but bearable. I know it is much harder for people who aren't adapted to those temperatures...they do about as well as I do in 12 degree weather.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
11. In what respect, Charlie? :)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jul 2012

I can tell you what I know about energy efficient building...which ain't much, but I get by...or I'd be glad to learn from whatever you know.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
10. I lived in Mexico for a year...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jul 2012

part of which was during the wretched rainy season. It wasn't so bad with no A/C. The floors are all tile, the walls are stucco. I was never so hot as I was last weekend, when we had no power in Columbus, OH. Brutal.
Likewise, we had no heating in the winter save for some space heaters and wool blankets. The tile floor kept the heat, as did the stucco walls.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
12. Yeah, passive solar with lots of thermal mass works well in the Southwest.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jul 2012

At least when it's dry. During the rainy season, were there problems with condensation on the tile or stucco? The big challenge for building in humid climates, as I understand it, is balancing the temperature regulating effects of insulation/adequate thermal mass with the need to prevent condensation and mold. I'd be interested to see how vernacular building methods in the Southwest held up to all the rain.

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
15. There are limits to that, however.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jul 2012

When it doesn't cool down at all at night, the heat just keeps building and by day three or four, you are miserable. However, basements are pretty magical.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. I went without power in Detroit from about 6:45 pm 7/4 to about 7:15 pm 7/5
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jul 2012

and it wasn't that terribly bad.


We had rain on and off that night and in the morning so it stayed pretty cool. I closed up the house when I went to work in the morning and it was still fairly cool in the afternoon. My house is pretty much surrounded by large trees so it takes more than one hot day to heat it up.


It could have been worse. People in small apartments and people with houses that are in full sun would be much worse off than I.



I sure am glad my power is back though. It is going to be ~100 today and I know some people around here are still doing without.

Auggie

(31,184 posts)
8. It's been cool along California's Northern Coast
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jul 2012

Seems to be a much cooler summer than usual -- more coastal fog. As hot air rises in the San Joaquin Valley and Nevada deserts, the resulting vacuum draws in moist air from the Pacific. Around 5:00 pm the wind really picks up. By 8:00 pm it's actually chilly.

SalviaBlue

(2,918 posts)
13. I'm in the Central Valley, where it is usually
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jul 2012

brutally hot by now. We have not had any really hot days yet and at night it is really nice.

Everything is topsy-turvy.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
23. I bitched for years about Sf area in summer being so cold.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jul 2012

I admit this as I sit in the swelter of heat AND humidity in the South...sigh.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
16. It's 12:30 here in Indy and already the temp is 99. High will be 103.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 12:35 PM
Jul 2012

Tomorrow will be 104, with heat indexes close to 115.

They're saying the heat should break Sunday, but there is still little to no rain chances in the forecast.

It will be in the 80s for most of next week, but late in the week, the high will be 90. I don't know what happens after that.

This is the hottest summer in my lifetime.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. It hit 104 here today (far western suburbs of Chicago). Heat index was 115
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:03 PM
Jul 2012

The fourth of July was worse, with a heat index of 119.

I work outside every day regardless of the weather and its brutal.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
26. We just had a line of thunderstorms go through Minneapolis.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:15 PM
Jul 2012

It's only 82 now (down from a balmy 101). Aahhhhhhh.

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
27. 92 in Flint at 9:15pm and it seems to be dropping by about a degree an hour.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:20 PM
Jul 2012

We hit 100 at 3:45.

It is rough when your AC goes out, as I well know. At least I'm getting rid of that excess water weight.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
28. We got our July weather in June this year and it seems way less wind, which helped some
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jul 2012

with the heat. No night breezes either.

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