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mahina

(17,659 posts)
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:00 PM May 2017

This is the story circulated among wingers today. Please help me refute this bogus vote fraud bs.

http://www.youngcons.com/vote-fraud-warning-over-7-million-voters-registered-to-vote-in-more-than-one-state2/?ref=FacebookPost

"A new study has found that over 7 million American voters are illegally registered to vote in more than one state, and that doesn’t even include the number of counties that have more voters registered than they have voting age population.

As Democrats and their handmaidens in the U.S. court system fight tooth and nail against voter ID laws aimed at cleaning our voter rolls, the study has found that 7.2 million Americans are registered and can vote in more than one location at a time, the Washington Free Beacon reports.

The new voter data was gathered from the Kansas-run interstate voter registration crosscheck program, which is used to identify “possible duplicate registrations among states.”

The study was conducted by the office of Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach who is now preparing to head up President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission. The newest data is from crosschecks of voter registrations across 28 states that participate in the program. At least 7.2 million registrations appeared in two states at once, according to the data."

At the bottom of the 'article' it states that over 800000 illegal votes were cast for Hillary in 2016. I found this Snopes article refuting that and am going to share that now.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-800000-votes-non-citizens/

Thanks for any good sources you may offer to help get my community back on track. Aloha.

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This is the story circulated among wingers today. Please help me refute this bogus vote fraud bs. (Original Post) mahina May 2017 OP
1. People move 2. People have the same name underpants May 2017 #1
Thank you very much! mahina May 2017 #4
Maybe someone else can find something more pertinent Stargleamer May 2017 #2
Awesome resources, thank you. mahina May 2017 #5
There is a lot of investigative journalism on this topic Nictuku May 2017 #3
Mahalo! mahina May 2017 #6
I registered to vote when I was 18. I moved to another state 10 years ago. NightWatcher May 2017 #7
Advice based on my personal experience. LOL Lib May 2017 #8
People move. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #9
It does break any law to be registered in more than one state. All of sinkingfeeling May 2017 #10
Exactly. Trump's kids are registered in multiple states. It happens when people move. Very common. anneboleyn May 2017 #12
crosscheck mercuryblues May 2017 #11
People don't "de-register" when they move jberryhill May 2017 #13
So how does one "unregister"? Generic Brad May 2017 #14
Crosscheck duncang May 2017 #15
Unfortunately the people who believe Runningdawg May 2017 #16
One spin site reports on another spin site's spin?... JHB May 2017 #17
It is possible to be registered in two states if you move. alarimer May 2017 #18
Another "Please help me refute" post with requests for Democrats to do others' homework. WinkyDink May 2017 #19

Nictuku

(3,613 posts)
3. There is a lot of investigative journalism on this topic
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:11 PM
May 2017

Here is what I found by googling:

Crosscheck disenfranchised millions

https://www.google.com/search?q=Crosscheck+disenfranchised+millions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Lots of good reliable sources there.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. I registered to vote when I was 18. I moved to another state 10 years ago.
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:13 PM
May 2017

I no longer vote where I originally registered. I vote in my new state. I never unregistered from the first state where I registered.

My grandfather voted 12 years ago as he was registered there to do so. He died 10 years back. We never unregistered him.

There are two fine examples of registered voters who might be on the rolls where they no longer vote. There is no fraud in either of these examples.

LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
8. Advice based on my personal experience.
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:17 PM
May 2017

When you argue with RWNJs, cite multiple sources (like given by posters above). It is the most likely way to shut them up. I stopped using snopes as a single source because all RWNJs have been brainwashed to believe that snopes is biased against them. They would rather believe their one fake news article than snopes. However, the multiple sources against their one propaganda article should shut them down. Good luck! Resist!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,857 posts)
9. People move.
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:20 PM
May 2017

And even when they register to vote in their new location, their old registration isn't always purged.

I have done door-to-door campaigning with voter lists in hand, and I can tell you that more than once I had every single voter registered at that address in the past 20 years.

Any time I've moved to a new state and registered, I can only hope that my old registration is cancelled.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
11. crosscheck
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:25 PM
May 2017

nuff said. They are republican owned.

I have no doubt that voters are registered in a few places or states. Although not in the numbers that crosscheck claims. When I moved, even though I did a change of address on my voter registration, for several months I was listed in both states. However, I did not vote in both states. As I'm sure these people did not.

They tried to make that claim in my state. A lawmaker said he had 3,000 names of people who voted illegally. SLED investigated. It was actually 700 or so names he had. reasons people were registered

Voted then moved between the time between voting and the role check. Died after sending in their absentee ballot. Frank Smith Sr died, but Frank Smith Jr voted and the poll worker checked Sr instead of Jr. Some requested absentee ballots but did not get them in time so they went to the polling place. And believe it or not people have the same names and share birthdays. Even though my name is not common, it is common enough to have 15+ people in this country with the same name, 1 shares my birthdate. Bingo, I pop up as possibly being being registered in 2 states.

Or to make it short just tell them that it is hard enough to get people to vote once in this country. Do you really think they are going to vote, drive to another state or county, stand in line for hours to vote again?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. People don't "de-register" when they move
Sat May 20, 2017, 01:51 PM
May 2017

In many places, after someone doesn't vote for several cycles, the name is removed.

A good chunk of the population moves each year. They remain on the voting roll of their old home, but it's not as if they go back there to vote.

People aren't flying from Pennsylvania to Kansas on Election Day just to cast two votes. It's absurd.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
14. So how does one "unregister"?
Sat May 20, 2017, 02:00 PM
May 2017

Last year I moved to Kansas. After the election I got my driver's license and registered to vote in Kansas. I learned that there is no mechanism in Minnesota, where I moved from, to get unregistered. I even wrote to the Secretary of State's office in MN and was told they could not assist. So, what is a person supposed to do?

Earlier this month the county I moved from did notify me that that they were removing me from the registered voting list because I had sold my property there, and if I wanted to remain registered they advised me on the action I needed to take.

There are valid reasons people can be on voting rolls in multiple states, but that does not mean they vote in both states simultaneously.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
15. Crosscheck
Sat May 20, 2017, 02:02 PM
May 2017

Also listed people who had the same last and first name but had different middle names or initial. They also listed people with the same name but different social security numbers. Just around here my name would show up at least 3 times. And I have a fairly uncommon name.

Pretty much all they did was targeted democratic areas and looked at them across areas and states.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
16. Unfortunately the people who believe
Sat May 20, 2017, 02:20 PM
May 2017

hundreds of thousands, or even millions, vote illegally won't be swayed by facts that say otherwise.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
17. One spin site reports on another spin site's spin?...
Sat May 20, 2017, 04:41 PM
May 2017

These things never hold up if you click back to look at the original sources. But the spin sites know they can count on their viewers to not go to that trouble, and just accept the click bait.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
18. It is possible to be registered in two states if you move.
Sat May 20, 2017, 05:09 PM
May 2017

I never bothered to notify my NC town that I moved to MD.

I don't think that statistic indicates anything nefarious at all.

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