Report: Mike Flynn turns on Trump, Talks to FBI

[GliderGuider]

Mike Flynn turns on Trump, Talks to FBI

Multiple sources with links to the intelligence and law enforcement communities say that Lt. Gen Mike Flynn has turned on Donald Trump, and has already had at least one lengthy interview with the FBI.

General Flynn has not been offered a deal as of yet, these sources say. They indicate that as of this writing Flynn has not been arrested. He would likely be offered a chance to surrender himself, sources report, when that time comes.

Sources with links to the Justice Department indicate that General Flynn has already been indicted. On Twitter, Claude Taylor exclusively reported on May 14th that an indictment against Flynn had been returned by a Grand Jury and that this indictment was sealed. I can further report that Flynn’s indictment is thought to be for his failure to register under FARA, the Foreign Agents’ Registration Act, for his lobbying for Turkey. Reporting by NBC of Grand Jury subpoenas in an investigation for which Flynn is the subject, sources say, cover separate offenses of Mike Flynn’s that are linked to Russia. These are being investigated under prosecutors at the Northern District of Virginia, with an attorney accustomed to handling espionage prosecutions.

Sources believe that General Mike “Misha” Flynn, to give him the Russian nickname he awarded himself when picked up by British intelligence committing treason in Cambridge, England, panicked when he heard that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had been appointed to head the investigation into Trump’s collusion with Russia.

Mike Flynn may also have interpreted Donald Trump’s text to him, ‘Stay Strong,’ on the day the subpoenas for evidence in the ongoing case against him were announced, as a threat. Sources believe that Flynn informed the FBI, and multiple other persons, of Trump’s text himself.

Separate sources with links to the intelligence community confirm our earlier reporting on how Mike Flynn co-ordinated Russia’s propaganda attack on the West on behalf of Trump, giving advice across Europe to far-right parties linked to the Russian state. These include, but are not limited to, UKIP, Marine Le Pen in France and a far-right party in Austria. Flynn regarded himself as a partisan of the Russian state, and his assistance in Russia’s messaging was not limited to hacking the American election, but in trying to boost Nazi ideology and Putin allies right across Europe. These sources state that Gen. Flynn could receive the death penalty for espionage for these activities, if charges are brought on the matter and he is found guilty.

Flynn is being decommissioned, sources say, meaning that he is telling the FBI what he knows. This is clearly very bad news for Donald Trump and all those around him who colluded with Russia. It may be particularly bad news for Vice-President Mike Pence, who is attempting, with little success, to disclaim knowledge of Flynn’s collusion with Russia.

[berni_mccoy]

1. K&R

[dvduval]

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[Maraya1969]

118. I don't see any ads. Just donation buttons. I usually donate to these new

real news organizations; I think we should support them because we need them

[Little Star]

2. Wow!

[Justice]

3. source is Louise Mensch just fyi.

Suggest read but don't just accept as true - keep looking and reading other sources.

[GliderGuider]

4. I treat Louise's reports as "raw intel"

Trust, but verify...

[paleotn]

42. Very wise.

[BlueCaliDem]

105. Me, too. Although I don't trust her, we *do* share a common enemy: Putin.

True Conservatives LOATHE Putin, and it's why there are investigations happening in the House and Senate--both controlled by Republicans who are controlled by Libertarian & Conservative money.

The ONLY reason they loathe tRump is because they loathe his puppet-master, Putin.

I think it's the same with Mensche.

[progressoid]

130. Trust, but verify? How can you trust something you can't verify?

She never tells us who her multiple or unnamed sources are.

Maybe it's the same sources that led her to believe that Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed.

[GliderGuider]

133. Ask Ronald Reagan - it was his quote.

[progressoid]

136. Seriously? You're using Ronald Reagan as an example?

Uh, no thanks.

[GliderGuider]

140. No, I was using it as a joke. I guess irony isn't this Internet's strong suit. Sorry. nt

[trof]

17. Thanks. I wondered.

[Egnever]

24. That is why they hid the link.

[GliderGuider]

69. "They" didn't. "I" followed my usual practice for links

And declined to change it.

[PSPS]

5. LOL. Well, at least this nonsense blog "news" post wasn't put in LBN.

Maybe you're unaware but "patribotics.blog" is a crackpot website.

[GliderGuider]

8. I'm aware that *you think* patribotics is a crackpot website.

But what you think about her doesn't matter to me. I form my own opinions, thankyouverymuch. I've been following LM since November. She has proven to be above board, straight-forward, and very well connected as far as I'm concerned.

[OnDoutside]

11. Well said.

[ATL Ebony]

102. Good for you.

People can/will read and determine for themselves what value should be considered as real or fake reporting; or whether a site should be viewed with guarded optimism or totally ignored.

[WheelWalker]

9. That seems a bit pejorative.

[LenaBaby61]

6. Report: Mike Flynn turns on Trump, Talks to FBI.

Source aside, I can definitely see Misha "LOCK HIM UP" Flynn turning BIGLY on treasonous fatso #1 to save his own treasonous slim hide.

[WheelWalker]

7. Kick.

[uponit7771]

10. SMMFH, "the Russian nickname he awarded himself "

[4139]

12. She is fun to read...

...but she's a fiction writer

[GliderGuider]

13. And you know this how?

Sorry, no.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. Literally, she's a fiction writer. That's what she did before becoming a Tory MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Mensch

[womanofthehills]

21. And now Louise has great intel connections

and most of what she posts comes true.

[progressoid]

131. She thinks Democracy Now are Russian shills. Enough said.

Link to tweet

[GliderGuider]

36. That's interesting, but it has no bearing on her dismembering of Trump. nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

127. Hint to you and 4139: There is a difference between "is" and "was".

She was a fiction writer. She is not now a fiction writer.

[muriel_volestrangler]

129. Hint to you: She's Tory scum. Yes, she will always be Tory scum.

If you can't stand the truth about the Tory scum you want to defend, too bad.

[Achilleaze]

14. Regular Republican sinkhole of slime balls

[Amaryllis]

15. This is the best part:

Flynn is being decommissioned, sources say, meaning that he is telling the FBI what he knows. This is clearly very bad news for Donald Trump and all those around him who colluded with Russia. It may be particularly bad news for Vice-President Mike Pence, who is attempting, with little success, to disclaim knowledge of Flynn’s collusion with Russia.

[onecent]

63. YIPPEE....THATS the best news I've heard yet....we don't need Pence becoming our president!!!!!!!!!!

oh please God....do something right here...

[Wellstone ruled]

16. This is going to get reallllll Interesting darn quick.

What will be interesting is,how deep are the Feds going to look at Flynn? Are they going after his Son and possible other family members?

Donnie say's Reality TV Stars get away with stuff,wonder how that will work it's way out?

[Amaryllis]

19. RAchel is gonna be good tonight. Not that she isn't always.

[Wellstone ruled]

20. Oh yes!

Watch Donnie the Least do something Stupid tomorrow.

[Fritz Walter]

22. IF Drumpf was smart...

...he'd ask for asylum while he's in Israel.
But then, he's not your above-average student, is he?

[Nitram]

125. They wouldn't want him if he wasn't president...

[Egnever]

23. Hahah horshit

If that was true he would not be pleading the fifth all day long.

[womanofthehills]

27. Remember when Trump told Flynn to "stay strong" after Trump's lawyers told Trump no contact

Trump did it a few weeks before he fired Comey. Trump thought he had it all under control. Trump must be losing it about now.

[orangecrush]

25. ...

[GoCubsGo]

26. He must be hoping for a lighter sentence. n/tm

[DesertRat]

28. Why is this posted as a blind link?

I think that the OP should state that this source is Louise Mensch's blog and is speculative in nature.

[GliderGuider]

31. I couldn't get the "excerpt" function working, sorry.

And I don't think that LM is much more speculative than NYT and WaPo at the moment. They all quote anonymous sources.

[DesertRat]

45. I understand that the excerpt function isn't working

But links are usually posted here like this. https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/22/mike-flynn-turns-on-trump-talks-to-fbi/

To do otherwise suggests trying to hide it.

[GliderGuider]

49. Sorry, including the actual headline is my stylistic conceit.

Hover over the link if you want to see where it goes. I make a habit of doing that for a lot of headlines I don't recognize.

[demmiblue]

37. To fool people, of course. n/t

[roamer65]

29. If true, Dump's goose is cooked.

If I were Flynn, I'd be watching very closely what I eat and drink right now...even with just the speculation of him going informant.

[Alice11111]

30. Best news in a long time, and the futures market is turning red

That means the markets aren't shrugging it off, which they mostly do.

[oberliner]

32. BS story - not a real source

I don't understand why people post this stuff here.

[GliderGuider]

35. We post "this stuff" because we think it she is a "real source", and has real sources.

She's on our side, and her sources seem to be solid. But it's not my job to make you understand why I post her stuff here. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[oberliner]

40. This is not a real source

I think it's important to read it and to help others understand that it is illegitimate.

[GliderGuider]

46. I think that "Louise is illegitimate" is deza. nt

[oberliner]

47. Questioning the veracity of this source is part of a Russian Disinformation Operation?

This is something you actually believe?

[GliderGuider]

50. Out in the wider, wilder world it is, especially re: LM.

[oberliner]

106. But a lot of people just find her to not be credible

Which I think is a reasonable conclusion one could reach.

[GliderGuider]

109. I find her to be an interesting addition to the news mix.

I like the juice she adds to the fairly dull reporting of the MSM.

I don't actually care much if she's right on a particular topic. It makes no difference to my life, or frankly to the life of your nation. The things that make a difference happen at a higher level, largely out of our sight. She and her bretheren and sisteren are entertaining, and are in favour of many of the same things I am - Trump's impeachment and incarceration, and the self-immolation of the GOP. That's enough for me.

[oberliner]

110. Fair enough

Points taken.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

122. You may be right or you may be wrong, but

What evidence do you have that she is not a valid source besides anything that may have an agenda?

[oberliner]

148. How about this...

It seems unusual, for example, that she would be aware of a meeting between the marshal of the Supreme Court and the President of the United States on the tarmac at Andrews Air Force base and no other news outlet would have reported on such a meeting.

Doesn't that seem odd?

[GliderGuider]

149. Wouldn't that depend on who the sources are?

People have all kinds of reasons for choosing who they do and don't leak to.

Since we don't know that, we have to allow room for the possibility that Mensch and Taylor got a genuine scoop. If others decide to leak to established MSM, we will get corroboration of the event. Right now, this is pretty raw intel.

[oberliner]

151. But the premise itself is very bizarre

As this is not something that a marshal of the Supreme Court would normally do. Nor does it seem likely that this Supreme Court would arrange for such a meeting. There is enough unusual information coupled with a complete lack of any corroborating evidence or sources that point to the potential dubiousness of the reporting.

[LanternWaste]

99. relevant difference between questioning the veracity of a source

An objective and rational mind will quickly realize there's a precise and relevant difference between questioning the veracity of a source and simply stating "not a real source" and "illegitimate."

[oberliner]

104. Good point

I appreciate the response. I should have written "challenging the legitimacy of a source" rather than "questioning the veracity" - since, as you rightfully point out, I was doing more the former than the latter.

[cwydro]

117. I wish the admins wouid shut this fake news shit down.

It makes this site look ridiculous.

[GliderGuider]

134. Censorship is always a good solution. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

33. Okay for those who hate Louise Mensch

and Patribotics, how about AOL News? It's certainly speculative, but it seems quite a few people are reaching the same conclusion that Flynn is talking to the FBI.

After Michael Flynn resigned after admitting to misleading Mike Pence about his relations with Russia, a CNN national security analyst believes he may be talking with the FBI.
(snip)
On Saturday's CNN Tonight, Juliette Kayyem said, "It is starting to look like, from my sources and then also from open reporting, that Mike Flynn is the one who may have a deal with the FBI..."
(snip)
Once the segment spread on social media like wildfire, Kayyem posted a statement on Facebook Sunday.
In it, she writes, "...to be clear, I did not say on this segment that I have any confirmation that he is actually cooperating or that I have talked to anyone who does."
AOL News

Also on The Independent UK

[vkkv]

34. All of the WEAKEST people flock to Trump

[LostinRed]

38. Louise mensch alerts

She is the Infowars of the left. She proven to be unreliable don't trust her.

[womanofthehills]

41. give me a break

[FBaggins]

98. Exactly! She isn't the InforWars of the left

Because she isn't ON the left.

[berksdem]

59. Thank you....

Yes!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

123. When challenged, naysayers such as you can't show she is unreliable on TrumpRussia. . . nt

[tazkcmo]

39. "Flynn is being decommissioned, sources say, meaning that he is telling the FBI what he knows."

Makes sense if in fact he is losing his commission because there are no Generals in Leavenworth. Just Privates. Forfeiture of all rank and privilege is standard when going to prison.

[boston bean]

43. Please make sure the source is identified in the OP.

[GliderGuider]

48. Why? This is GD. If it was LBN you'd have a point.

Hovering over the link reveals that it is from patribotics. If that gives anyone indigestion they are free to ignore it. I value her work, and I'm not going to scare people off unnecessarily. So, no thanks.

[boston bean]

52. I am on phone there is no hovering

I think its bad form to make people click on a link w/o knowing where it goes to.

[GliderGuider]

55. It's odd. I've used this convention since I signed up in 2004.

Nobody has ever objected to it - until it was a link to patribotics. Do you see why that might make me a touch skeptical about motive?

[berksdem]

60. You are ignoring....

the original question....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

124. bostonbean did not post a question for you to complain about being ignored.

No question, no ignoring. Logically.

[boston bean]

61. One member use to do it. Drove me up a wall. Many times linking back to their own posts.

[gristy]

66. Not a good idea to hide a link behind an alias

Makes people wonder what are you trying to hide?

[GliderGuider]

70. Alias? It's the fucking headline of the piece!

Big snowfall here tonight, it looks like.

[gristy]

75. What I mean by an alias is any text that is different from the underlying URL

URL: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/us/politics/michael-flynn-fifth-amendment-russia-senate.html

An alias with the same URL underneath it: Michael Flynn Misled Pentagon About His Russia Ties, Letter Says

[GliderGuider]

76. there was no attempt at deception, so I'm fine with my own style.

It seems an odd sort of thing to get hung up on to me. Quite tangential to the information in the post.

[gristy]

67. hovering not working for me in IE either

The original poster should have posted the link with no alias

[GliderGuider]

71. No.

That's not a requirement, and I don't cave to after-the-fact pressure. In fact it makes me entrench.

[womanofthehills]

44. A paper trail on Flynn will lead directly back to Mike Pence - God, I hope this is true.

Link to tweet

[berksdem]

51. Truly no disrespect...

Can we agree as liberals that false news is bad? Mensch is conspiracy theorist that should be taken with a grain of salt.

She is not friends with the progressive agenda and is a troll to both the right and left.


Just my opinion and not trying to cause a debate.

[GliderGuider]

54. Oh dear, none taken...

We can agree that false news is bad. What I will not agree to is that Mensche represents fake news.

Nice way to not stir up a debate.

[berksdem]

57. Please....

explain how she is a reputable source?

[boston bean]

62. People are very gullible. Liberals use to love assange. Some stilll do.

Before this there was truth out that said cheney was indicted. Jason leopold.

Also greenwald is anothe type like this.

Conspiracy nuts all of them who at one time or another had followings like mensch.

[berksdem]

86. Spot on Boston Bean....

[onecent]

65. WHY is everyone so hot after this Mensch person???? Who is she? What has she done????

I looked her up in google but I don't see how she fits in all of this stuff some of you are been saying???
Anyone help me??

[berksdem]

87. Conspiracy theorist ...

And loon...

[onecent]

88. So many people are talking about her, I just didn't want to miss anything.....

Thanks.

[berksdem]

89. She has always been

a Russian conspiracy theorist. She now claims to have all the inside sources which is BS. I want her to be right but I also recognize fake news. Basically, she and Taylor throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

126. She defended the Intell Community & earned their continued respect. Disregard berksdem.

berksdem is posting assertions without context to support them.

Louise Mensch has excellent contacts with the Intelligence Community and has scooped the regular media on TrumpRussia on at least one occasion before the election.

She may be a bit whacky about other stuff, but on TrumpRussia she has either been right or time has not resolved her reporting yet.

[salin]

53. could you include the source in your OP?

I know there are many Mensch fans on DU, they will read your post with that tag. There are also some of us (remembering "Fitzmas" in the Bush era) who try to rely - perhaps at our own detriment - on more sourced (multiple sourcing) information. It would be nice to know the source context before clicking. Appreciate if you even entertain the idea for a minute. Thanks.

[GliderGuider]

56. No.

[salin]

82. Thank you for your candor.

I have never blocked a Duer. In 15 years. However, I don't like click bait. Headlines like these, when not revealing the source (so the reader can chose to read or not), for me is click bait.

Note, I am not asking you - or anyone not to post Mensch's blog/twitter posts. I am not condemning anyone for reading/sharing those. I was just asking sourcing be present - so readers can select what to read. The title of your OP is so enticing (I would love it to be so.) Post it. Many will happily read it. I might even read it - despite the source.

Given your OP title - in this time of such quick moving news stories, I dove in. But getting a little in - I felt like I had read click bait when compared to a story breaking across the media tonight - revelations that Trump asked Rogers and Coates to (regardless of their agencies information) to publicly clear him and his campaign on the Russia/Collusion issue. They, like Comey refused, (and Rogers, also was bothered enough to write careful notes like Comey.) The latter story appears to be factually unfolding - not just hopeful maybe real maybe not reporting.

Again thank you for your candor.

Perhaps I just need to start filtering at DU. I have avoided doing so for my history here. But perhaps times have just changed enough that I need to adjust.

This is not personal - in anyway. It is just something I have been grappling with for a while. There is something different between an individual Duer on GD making a provocative statement/opinion looking for response vs. posting another person's opinion/reporting (Mensch's) as one's own opinion for discussion - while what is posted - if I was reading elsewhere I would recognize as something I read as clickbait.

[berksdem]

58. +1000!

[kentuck]

64. Hadn't heard about that?

Last I heard he was taking the Fifth? Refusing to agree to the subpoena?

[GliderGuider]

72. The Fifth is for the Senate Intel Committee. This relates to Mueller.

There may be negotiations about who he talks to when, and what he says. Taking he Fifth doesn't mean he can't withdraw it at some point, but for now it's a safe move until he finds out what Mueller will want.

[jberryhill]

103. Oh, that's just horseshit

You either make a statement or you don't. You can't plead the fifth in one venue and not another. That's just horseshit.

[Fiendish Thingy]

113. Actually, that's the only part of the story that is believable

If Flynn testified to the Senate before making a deal with Meuller, his testimony could be used against him, and Meuller would have no motivation to cut a deal.

[jberryhill]

114. He's not getting a deal

Mueller has been on the job a couple of days, and barely has his feet wet. There is no way that he's cutting a deal with anyone at this point in time.

[keopeli]

68. This is single source information in GD. It's fine to post such things and often interesting.

I don't understand the criticism about style (not putting the name of the source in the body of the post). That is not a requirement of style in GD. I can understand adopting it for your own purposes, suggesting it for others or even proposing a change in the style guidelines.

Criticizing the OP for not following your personal style tastes reeks of arrogance. Post your criticism of the source and give examples. Leave the OP alone since s/he followed the style guidelines. In the alternate, report the post and watch your petition fail.

I thank the poster for sharing this info. I thank the commenters for their critical observations about the source. I thank those who politely pointed out their frustration with the current style guide. For those posting derogatory messages about the style of the OP, you're off the mark and your comments come close to violating the rules here about civil discourse. I kindly request that you reconsider your criticism of the OP and consider ways to be more helpful without being contumelious.

Blessings to all

[GliderGuider]

73. Thank you. nt

[GliderGuider]

74. There's been quite the snowfall on this thread tonight.

I think I'll go tobogganing.

[Chemisse]

77. Just today I heard from a reputable news site that he was pleading the fifth.

Not just talking about, but had filed his intent. I will believe that until contradicted by a reputable news source.

It's more than a little embarrassing to see people here get all hyped up over fake news, or at best, conjecture. Leaps of faith are for religion, not politics.

[GliderGuider]

79. I addressed that just above

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9103378

But I'm not here to tell anyone what to (or not to) think. I'm just dropping interesting things I've read, in order to trigger discussions.

And the whole "Louise Mensch is fake news" meme is bullshit - or as I said above, smells like deza.

[Chemisse]

80. A true believer.

This is how people get manipulated, by skipping facts and going straight to beliefs.

[mhw]

81. Per Claude Taylor-" the other Mensch":

Claude Taylor @TrueFactsStated
"You know your presidency is not going well when 30% of Twitter is actively engaged in questioning wether you will return from foreign trip".

****


Thanks for the interesting thread GliderGuider. Its fascinating stuff & like you, I've seen so much of Claude & Louise's reporting come to light.
Been following those 2 for a long time.

Appears their raw intel sources were spot on about FINCEN also. (Taylor & Mensch were called frauds for two months before MSM mentioned it. )
*****


Here's how I see it: Those out to discredit Taylor & Mensch are the spreaders of 'fake news'. Since its apparent most have really never bothered to follow the work they have done.

Someone on her twitter actually called Louise a republican conservative.
Point being, the American version of conservative is NOT the same as UK conservative.
Yes, there are some who really don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Thanks for your OP & happy to see the broad open minds of DU contributing to the demise of Trump & his criminal enterprise.
THAT is the endgame, if we care to raise the dignity of America back from where Trump has dropped it.

We do what we can in this effort.

[Kentonio]

90. No.

I'm sick of hearing that those of us who don't trust Louise Mensch must be spreading fake news, or are secretly Trump supporters or Russian trolls or blah blah.

Louise Mensch is not an ideological friend of this party. She's currently doing something that may help us, and if it does then great, but until such a time as she is proven to have helped us then she deserves no special trust from Democrats just because she's saying things we want to hear.

She's also behaving in an extremely unprofessional and frankly childish way, calling out people who disagree with her as FSB trolls and tweeting people she says are under investigation to mockingly tell them that they're going to prison. This does nothing to enhance her credibility.

It's not 'pro-Trump' to refuse to get drawn into a giant circus which could turn out to be embarrassing bullshit. We have real Democrats in the Senate investigating, we have the FBI and we have Mueller. Between them they'll bring down whoever is responsible for the crimes that have (and continue to be) committed. Mensch leaking snippets of rumours she's heard doesn't change a damn thing in terms of the investigation, all its doing is building up peoples hopes.

[mhw]

100. Ok. And just this morning ABC News spells "improvised" i.m.p.r.o.v.e.d.

Credibility is in question everywhere.

Enjoy your day

[Bernardo de La Paz]

128. Deza may refer to:

O Deza, a region in Spain
Deza, Soria, a municipality in Soria Province, Spain
Deza, Iran (disambiguation)
Diego Deza, an inquisitor
Michel Deza, a Soviet and French mathematician
Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation (SDC), an office-level agency in the federal administration of Switzerland known in German as Direktion für Entwicklung und Zusammenarbeit (DEZA)

Which one is it? Why use deliberately obscure words, more than once in this thread, that very few people understand? It is not helpful to do so.

[GliderGuider]

139. It's the diminutive of the Russian word that transliterates as "dezinformatsiya"

From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

Disinformation is intentionally false or misleading information that is spread in a calculated way to deceive target audiences.[1][2][3] The English word, which did not appear in dictionaries until the late-1980s, is a translation of the Russian дезинформация, transliterated as dezinformatsiya. Disinformation is different from misinformation, which is information that is unintentionally false.[4] Misinformation can be used to define disinformation—where disinformation is misinformation that is purposefully and intentionally disseminated in order to deceive.
****************
My use of deza in this case refers to the accusations that LM is a conspiracy theorist or an inherently and obviously unreliable, illegitimate source who peddles "fake news".

IMO the accusations are a clear examples of disinformation that are intended to denigrate her work. It's modestly ironic that the accusations of "fake news" themselves are based mainly on slander.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

141. I understand disinformation. "deza" seems deliberately opaque/obscure; doesn't help your writing. nt

[GliderGuider]

142. I understood it had become common slang

at least among those aware of the Russian disinformation observation. Perhaps it's a Twitter thing.

I don't much care if my writing here clears your bar or not. You might have noticed that I have given up trying to please people.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

144. Your bar, not mine. Either you write for your readers' comprehension or for yourself. nt

[GliderGuider]

145. Let's take a poll.

Those who understood my use of "deza" kindly raise your hands. You folks were my audience.

In the immortal words of Ricky Nelson:

But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself

[Buckeye_Democrat]

83. Ugh. I read it, then I clicked on the link to see it came from Mensch.

[GliderGuider]

84. Sorry to ruin your day.

Well, not really.

[Ezior]

85. Ha! I read exactly 4 words...

"Multiple sources with links..."

Then I thought "wait, this sounds like Mensch!" and so I checked the link. And indeed, it was Mensch.

So now I take the headline for what it's worth and I stopped reading.

[Orrex]

91. Mensch seems to predict imminent doom for Trump every single day

Anonymous sources say that, absent objective corroboration, it's silly to accept her assertions as anything more solid than "creative speculation."

On balance, her predictive record so far is about equal to Jeanne Dixon's.

[GliderGuider]

92. So are NYT and WaPo "creative speculators" on this issue as well?

After all, they also rely on anonymous sources for much of their Trump-related reporting.

[Orrex]

93. You know that's a silly question, right?

When Mensch has a foundation of decades of credibility and a proven journalistic track record, then I'll entertain your silly comparison.

[GliderGuider]

94. You raised the question of anonymous sources.

IMO her sources, and Claude Taylor's, appear to be as reliable as those leaking to the established papers. I agree that she doesn't have a track record yet. Maybe that's what she is building here. I'm quite sure she doesn't give a damn what some people who object to her attitude think about her reporting. I know I don't.

I'll be following her and posting her material along with Claude's regularly. Better get used to it. Or not. As I've said before, since this is GD, I don't much care. I will follow the rules, but within them I will do as I see fit.

[Orrex]

96. You seem to think that your actions are far more important to me than I do

You can read and regurgitate whatever unsubstantiated speculation that pleases you. Within the rules, no one is stopping you, least of all me.

But you shouldn't imagine that others will as readily embrace Mensch's musings as gospel truth, nor that they won't call for independent corroboration of her daily superfantastic amazing must-click-on-this-right-now bombshells. You can repost her clickbait all you want.

If you can't distinguish between the journalistic reputation and standards of the NYT/WAPO versus a blogger, then by all means I encourage you to continue to patronize outlets that flatter your confirmation bias.

[GliderGuider]

97. So much for civility.

Most of us take in a wide range of information sources, from venerable mainstream institutions to the more agile but less reliable bloggers. We each decide on our own mix, and apply our own vetting rules to what goes into it. I'm not alone here or elsewhere in cyberspace in appreciating what Mensch brings to the discussion. I understand that you're not, though I admit that your vehemence on the subject puzzles me.

[Orrex]

101. Oh Please

"I admit that your vehemence on the subject puzzles me."

Seriously? It's because I see no reason to humor (or, worse, to retweet) the as yet wholly uncorroborated musings of a dubiously credible blogger. What I find puzzling is the zeal with which her supporters defend her while treating calls for corroboration as an nefarious plot to silence her.

In general, skeptics have been saying "wait and see" before catapulting her daily clickbait pronouncements. Her supporters, in contrast, can't be bothered.

[cwydro]

146. You're amazingly gullible.

It's amazing.

[GliderGuider]

147. Amazingly amazing?

I'm cool with whatever you want to think about me. Rubber, glue.

[SonofDonald]

111. Instant gratification world.

What if they don't cross a t or dot an i?, this seems to be the gist if most of the arguments against the bloggers credibility, the followed by "none of this has been proven".

YET, do you think that a breaking story on the MSM has every detail and fact corroborated before it's offered?, is it fully fleshed out down to the very last detail?.

I think that even though a lot of what gets posted can't be verified within an arbitrary time frame imposed by people that are just in way too much of a hurry does not have any bearing on the fact that it may be correct or close enough to the actual event(s) or truth.

I don't watch faux news because A: it's hyper "conservative", B: when you look at the days lineup on the tv's scroll all you see are the words "analysis" and "Opinion".

I don't care for their analysis or their opinion, so I don't watch, same with Mensch and Taylor, if you don't like what they have to say....

CHANGE THE CHANNEL, don't read what they have to say, don't believe it, but most importantly don't denigrate others opinions because they are not for you, that's just your opinion, and just like the alimentary canal, everybody has one.

They may be wrong, but they may be right, only time will tell, and I'll wait longer than 30 seconds to find out.

[Orrex]

112. No, that's not it at all

It's not about "instant gratification." It's about requiring would-be journalists to maintain standards of integrity and to afford those would-be journalists no more respect than they have earned.

Please provide Mensch's record of successful reporting since the inauguration. That is, how often has she been substantively correct before more credible news outlets have reported on the same stories?

She has a habit of posting bombshell revelations that other news media don't report at all, and which don't actually seem to be borne out afterwards. She posts a lot of what we on the Left are desperate to hear, and too many among us on DU are happy to accept her revelations at face value, rejecting calls for corroboration.

"They may be wrong, but they may be right, only time will tell, and I'll wait longer than 30 seconds to find out."

No shit? Me, too. I've been waiting weeks for Mensch's musings to bear fruit. How much longer must we give her?

[Calista241]

95. He basically has to submit to an FBI interview.

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And Unless he's negotiating a plea agreement, he's going to answer most questions with his 5th amendment rights.

Unless he gives up the President. And he can't just claim "the President said this" or "the President wanted me to do that," he has to have proof those conversations took place.

And he has to think that Trump will not pardon or commute any sentence.

[Hoyt]

107. At some point, they are going to have to show evidence Trump colluded with Ruskies to throw election

or at least that he has been messing around with them in ways that are detrimental to the USA.

Otherwise, all we are going to get is a bunch of underlings fired, and Trump will still be Prez. He might get chastised for telling things to Ruskies that were technically classified, but that's about it. They'll just claim that Trump can declassify info and he was trying to improve relations with the Ruskies.

[jberryhill]

115. No, that's not necessary

All that's required at this point is to show that Trump interfered with the investigation of said underlings. That's an abuse of power even if there was no collusion with the Russians by any of them.

But, like Watergate, what is probably more of interest are things that have been found under the rocks along way.

[Orrex]

116. I still can't understand...

why his cameo in Ghosts Can't Do It is sufficient grounds for incarceration in its own right.

[Hoyt]

120. Good luck with that. I hear and agree, but I think similar was said about Fitzmas.

[jberryhill]

121. It'll depend on the evidence

But in relation to the OP story here, no federal marshall shows up to warn people about discovery deadlines.

[bdamomma]

108. Good I hope

he sings like a canary.

[VOX]

119. Mike Misha Flynn; nickname the same as 1980 Moscow Olympics mascot.

Wonder if it's a derogatory title. It'd be fitting.

[progressoid]

132. ...

:large

[GliderGuider]

135. So was Hunter S. Thompson's. Your point? nt

[progressoid]

137. Actually he said, "drugs, alcohol ... they've always worked for me."

[Dr. Strange]

150. According to Louise Mensch, Hunter Thompson's brain was messed up from drugs and alcohol.

Also from Mensch: Thompson was a Russian agent.

[MrPurple]

138. Hopefully, all true, but if Flynn has already been indicted and that's verifiable...

Washington Post & NYT and 1,000 other legitimate sources would be all over that story. This is going to be a tough fight and the false hope stories, like around the recounts after the election, don't help.

[GliderGuider]

143. I guess this four-star thread is making some people happy.

It's easy to forget that when the honey-wagon backs up to your front door and begins to unload.

[miyazaki]

152. Not gonna donate to The Mensch

But you could donate here instead:
http://www.savewalterwhite.com/

[GliderGuider]

153. Well would you look at this?

Link to tweet

Where have we read such fake news before? Oh yeah, the article in the OP. Dated May 22, three days ago.

[wishstar]

155. Seth Abramson has a brand new thread saying that Flynn is only Trumpie interviewed by FBI so far

He has a series of tweets just out tonight explaining his belief that this Trump/Russian investigation is not very far along and that only Flynn has been interviewed and that Flynn will eventually be indicted, but that will take awhile. Abramson wants everyone to realize this investigation is only in the earliest stages since subpoenas and warrants for info just recently started. He distrusts Mensch because he believes she shares the Republican strategy of wanting public to mistakenly believe that the investigation is much further along than it is in order to demoralize Dems and discredit the validity of the potential charges as it will drag on much longer than most people realize and charges/indictments are a long ways off.

[GliderGuider]

156. Yes, I'm aware of the Twitter-spat between them.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

The only aspect of this that interests me is the fact that he's corroborating the uncorroboratable Mensch.

[tritsofme]

154. Sad that Trump has debased our politics to the extent that so many here embrace an Alex Jones

of their very own, peddling absolute nonsense.

Get real people.