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raccoon

(31,111 posts)
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 08:57 AM Jul 2012

I heard on the news a few days ago, a road in WI buckled up because it was so hot.

Any civil engineers here?

Why doesn't that happen everywhere, particularly in areas that are super hot--such as Nevada and Texas?


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I heard on the news a few days ago, a road in WI buckled up because it was so hot. (Original Post) raccoon Jul 2012 OP
I'm no expert but, HappyMe Jul 2012 #1
Roads involving concrete are the ones most likely to buckle. Asphalt is much more flexible PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #2
Expansion joints jberryhill Jul 2012 #3
I don't know details, but I am sure that they use different materials for different regions. tanyev Jul 2012 #4
This happened also in Raleigh NC. I 440 buckled. mmonk Jul 2012 #5
it does happen elsewhere justabob Jul 2012 #6
While thankfully none of the roads I regularly drive had this issue tammywammy Jul 2012 #10
yeah, last year was awful justabob Jul 2012 #11
What I notice more around Chicago are the concrete raised medians buckling. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #7
Thermal expansion is a property of virtually all materials quaker bill Jul 2012 #8
Thank you for that factual reply. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #9
Happened here too Bluzmann57 Jul 2012 #12
Jalopnik has the story, and the video: flvegan Jul 2012 #13
I saw this happen in Illinois... hunter Jul 2012 #14
Not just in Wisconsin Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #15
It does. PavePusher Jul 2012 #16

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
1. I'm no expert but,
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:02 AM
Jul 2012

it may be the concrete or asphalt mix they use.

Their roads probably wouldn't make it through a WI winter unscathed.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
2. Roads involving concrete are the ones most likely to buckle. Asphalt is much more flexible
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:06 AM
Jul 2012

than concrete.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
3. Expansion joints
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jul 2012

Asphalt roads can handle a fair amount of internal stress.

Concrete roads are built with expansion joints - that thin black line between sections.



Watch this:

tanyev

(42,564 posts)
4. I don't know details, but I am sure that they use different materials for different regions.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:31 AM
Jul 2012

Maybe even different techniques.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
10. While thankfully none of the roads I regularly drive had this issue
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:22 AM
Jul 2012

I remember a lot of news reports during our hot hot hot summer last year of roads buckling.

justabob

(3,069 posts)
11. yeah, last year was awful
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:32 AM
Jul 2012

And apparently the Superbowl ice storm in DFW made the roads here more vulnerable. I don't really know if my paths were affected because in the city the roads are pretty bad regardless, lots of dips and bulges and potholes aplenty.

I am so glad we are not on day 23 (or whatever) of 100+ temps. Last year was unbearable. It is amazing what a difference there is between 103 and 98. I am not loving the humidity though.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
8. Thermal expansion is a property of virtually all materials
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:03 AM
Jul 2012

It is a property that one usually does not notice because the change in length is fairly small by percent for most materials. However, a small percentage change in length becomes a pretty large distance when the length of the road is many miles. A 0.1% change in length spread over two miles (10,000+ feet) is roughly 10'. When 10' of extra road suddenly tries to fit in the same place, concrete buckles. That is why there are expansion joints, but sometimes they aren't big enough.

Bluzmann57

(12,336 posts)
12. Happened here too
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:59 AM
Jul 2012

A piece of Interstate 74, which runs through this area, buckled yesterday because of the heat. What scares the hell out of me is that the I-74 bridge is a heavily travelled bridge and it is in need of replacement. But the teahadists in Congress are holding up funding for the bridge. FYI the funding is tied into the transportation bill which has to be made into law to create many many jobs.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
14. I saw this happen in Illinois...
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

...except one slab crumpled under the other, making a stair-step facing traffic. We were traveling on the other side of the interstate.

About a dozen cars hit the raised slab before traffic came to a stop. These cars were totaled and were facing in all directions surrounded by mechanical debris. Fortunately nobody was killed.

The expansion joints are designed to compensate for a certain maximum temperature. Once that temperature is exceeded the road buckles.

But there's a consideration limiting the size of expansion joints too. The larger the expansion joint is, the more likely it will fail if water gets in between the joints and under the road and then freezes. Freezing water will also cause roads to buckle.

These freeze-thaw cycles can also move entire sections of road, sometimes pushing adjacent slabs closer together, making the expansion joint smaller, and lowering the temperature at which the road will buckle in the summer.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
16. It does.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jul 2012

Come look at Valencia road between Kolb and Wilmot here in Tucson.....

It's actually painful to drive on, or to ride a motorcycle. Riding a bicycle over the asphalt buckles should be in the same class as waterboarding.

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