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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:30 AM Jul 2012

It's Romney's Voter Fraud, Stupid

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9397#more-9397



To date, there has been no legitimate explanation for Mitt Romney having cast a vote in the January 2010 Special Election for the U.S. Senate between Scott Brown and Martha Coakley. At the time of his vote (which he has admitted doing) he owned no house in MA, and yet he was registered to vote from the address of his son's unfinished basement in Belmont, MA.

While Romney owned houses in both CA (purchased in May of 2008 for $12.5m) and NH (April of 2009 for $3.5m) at the time, it wouldn't be until July of 2010 --- a full six months after the Special Election to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy --- that the state's former Governor would once again own a house there, after purchasing an $895,000 townhouse in Belmont.

...

Romney's 2010 state tax return, which he still refuses to release, even though he finally released his federal return from that same year, likely shows that he did not pay state income tax in MA, but rather declared himself to be a NH resident for its more friendly tax purposes.

Such a declaration, if revealed via his 2010 state tax return, would underscore the apparent fact that Mitt Romney himself is actually a voter fraud felon.

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It's Romney's Voter Fraud, Stupid (Original Post) Scuba Jul 2012 OP
And therein lies the crux of our problem COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #1
Democrat is not an adjective. n/t mattclearing Jul 2012 #7
Yes. What do you mean "US" Colgate? maddiemom Jul 2012 #17
No, it's a noun. I'm a Democrat COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #29
I don't disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #10
then it would be better to bring this out onethatcares Jul 2012 #20
It got lot's of play in the MSM a few years ago! lol xtraxritical Jul 2012 #14
And if it did become an issue, the GOP would turn it to their advantage nxylas Jul 2012 #18
"Democrat" spokesperson?!? catbyte Jul 2012 #26
There's nothing wrong with calling a spokesperson COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #28
This is what Grand Juries are supposed to deal with - but of course they do not. 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #2
what? Rmoney can vote where ever he wants, as many times as he wants emald Jul 2012 #3
I can hear the excuse now... beac Jul 2012 #4
Yeah, he slipped and fell into the voting booth. nt DCKit Jul 2012 #22
This one I don't get rufus dog Jul 2012 #5
can't the state confirm or deny this? coakley? massachusetts dem party? anyone? eom ellenfl Jul 2012 #6
Hear, hear!! WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2012 #9
Timing, timing, timing ... I want my "Elect a Felon" bumpersticker? Coyotl Jul 2012 #8
There is always a bump after the conventions. Blanks Jul 2012 #21
Complaint with Massachusetts state election officials .... story has some traction already Coyotl Jul 2012 #11
Do this after their convention. drm604 Jul 2012 #12
Excellent idea goclark Jul 2012 #13
Somewhat agree with a big BUT! rufus dog Jul 2012 #19
Well folks ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #15
This is a huge issue, a felony violation of a state law by an ex-governor, quite important Coyotl Jul 2012 #23
Perhaps we can get a package deal ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #24
It's not about Mitt... BradBlog Jul 2012 #30
Well I will ignore Mitts votes because ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #31
I've heard this many times amuse bouche Jul 2012 #16
That Raises Other Questions As Well DallasNE Jul 2012 #25
In elections before and after where has he voted? liberal N proud Jul 2012 #27

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
1. And therein lies the crux of our problem
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jul 2012

As Democrats we will chortle or snicker about this on boards like DU but that's about it. It will get no play whatsoever in the mainstream press and no Democrat spokesperson with a voice loud enough to get on the MSM will mention it. Imagine for a second what the RW echo chamber would sound like if this had happened with Obama! We'd NEVER hear the end of it. Birther??? Bah - yesteday's news. But VOTER FRAUD FELON!!!! It'd make headline on the Wall Street Journal.

I'm tired of our inability to speak with one, clear voice, to articulate our positions and to yell and scream loud enough to that the MSM has to pick it up. But I don't see it changing...

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
17. Yes. What do you mean "US" Colgate?
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jul 2012

The Republicans turning "Democrat" into an adjective was bad enough. Seeing supposed (if not troll) liberals using it the same way...attention must be paid.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
29. No, it's a noun. I'm a Democrat
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:30 AM
Jul 2012

you're a democrat, the spokesperson is a Democrat. To use the (incorrect) construction you want, you'd be talking about a 'democratic spokesperson', i.e. a spokesperson who believes in democracy.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
10. I don't disagree ...
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:20 AM
Jul 2012

But as Democrats, do we really want the gop to be able to reset their General Election run? As it stands, romney has been a "B-Team", at best, opponent with his (and his teams) unforced errors; his continuing lack of acceptance from much of the gop (he is caught between the conservative and wingnut wings of the gop, and cannot negotiate either); and the $100s of millions that have already been invested in Democratic messaging; and finally, the fact that all of the previous gop nominees were loved by the gop base and right leaning "independent" before they opened their mouths and the stupid poured out.

If it was determined that romney committed voter fraud, he would be forced out of the nomination. This would give the gop establishment to draft someone like Pawlenty or Jeb Bush or Portman or Rubio with the complete backing of the gop establishment ("because time is short and we have the already established organization to run a national campaign).

This would mean all of the Democratic advantages would disappear with romney's exit ... over night and late in the game. The fact is time has not been kind to the gop, as the "truth" eventual seeps out; but with any late entrant, their winning campaign would be (what romney has been attempting) get out everywhere and say not a damned thing but &quot President) Obama is bad" and "I have a plan (that I'll tell you about after the election).

So, while it would be fun to watch the gop fall into deeper disarray as new life is breathed into ron paul ("he's alive!"; and I'd bet the donald would hint at a run ... just in time for his newest tv show or book; and god might even start whispering to $i$ter $arah and/or "stepford stare" bachman; but that disarray would remind the gop and right-leaning "independent" just how f@#$%ed up the gop has become and any of the above, largely unknown, people would be accepted.

onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
20. then it would be better to bring this out
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jul 2012

after he is nominated. It would allow the entire show to be labeld a sham and it would also hit the gop where it
would hurt alot as they are always worried about "voter fraud" by people of color.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
18. And if it did become an issue, the GOP would turn it to their advantage
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jul 2012

You don't need to be psychic to see how it would play out. "THE LIBRULS TOLD US THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS VOTER FRAUD, BUT THIS JUST PROVES THERE IS AND THAT WE NEED TO PURGE BLACK AND BROWN 'PEOPLE' FROM THE VOTER ROLLS TO STOP IT HAPPENING AGAIN!!!11"

Two or three days of that coming through the right-wing megaphone and Rmoney's felony would disappear into the memory hole as everyone starts arguing about ACORN again.

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
26. "Democrat" spokesperson?!?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
Jul 2012

Come on. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Fucking insulting GOP language-let's not start using it here, please?



Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and new baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
28. There's nothing wrong with calling a spokesperson
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jul 2012

for the Democratic party a 'Democrat'. It's a noun, not an adjective.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
2. This is what Grand Juries are supposed to deal with - but of course they do not.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:45 AM
Jul 2012

This is exactly the sort of investigation that a Grand Jury should be delving into and all the questions they need ask can be answered by the production of what should be public documents.

emald

(726 posts)
3. what? Rmoney can vote where ever he wants, as many times as he wants
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jul 2012

because he is special, a real one percenter. He has big piles of money so he can cheat all he wants. Only us poor folk are subject to law and reason.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
5. This one I don't get
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 10:57 AM
Jul 2012

It seems like an easy one to prove or disprove.

He needs to release the 2009 - 2011 State returns, either he paid his taxes with MA as the residence in 2010 or he committed fraud. If he claims that he moved out of MA in early 2010, fine, then in 2009 he should have paid MA taxes. Dems should allow no other discussion on anything until he releases, play the game just like they do, guilty until proven innocent and the burden of proof is on the Republicans.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
9. Hear, hear!!
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jul 2012

Dems should allow no other discussion on anything until he releases, play the game just like they do, guilty until proven innocent and the burden of proof is on the Republicans.



THIS is the Democrat's biggest weakness...they bend over backwards to be "fair". I've been saying this since it became painfully obvious the Rethugs would do nothing but block anything Obama tried to do, which if I remember correctly, was the day after his inauguration. The bottom line is simple...you CAN NOT play by the rules when you're dealing with street thugs.
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. Timing, timing, timing ... I want my "Elect a Felon" bumpersticker?
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:08 AM
Jul 2012

This will no doubt come to the fore at the best time politically, like when everyone in the USA is focused on the Republican convention.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
21. There is always a bump after the conventions.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 09:16 PM
Jul 2012

This news would be ideal right at the time when the republicans have gotten the bump after their convention.

It is too early now, and Romney is the man to oppose, after the convention. I agree with those who say; don't risk them picking someone else.

Although Ron Paul would be easy to beat too; although I'd rather see him as a 3rd party candidate.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
11. Complaint with Massachusetts state election officials .... story has some traction already
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jul 2012

Did Mitt Romney Commit Voter Fraud In Massachusetts in 2010?
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-20/politics/31371937_1_ann-romney-massachusetts-governor-residency

"According to Massachusetts law, a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life” and anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years in jail and a $10,000 fine." (emphasis mine)

=================
Did Mitt Romney Commit Voter Fraud?
—By Stephanie Mencimer Jun. 13, 2011
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/did-mitt-romney-commit-voter-fraud

..... Fred Karger, filed a complaint with Massachusetts state election officials alleging that he voted for Brown, as well as in other Massachusetts elections, when he was not in fact a resident of the Bay State.

In his complaint, Karger lays out a chronology of Romney's real estate moves since his failed presidential bid in 2008. According to Karger's timetable, Romney and his wife, Ann, bought a $12.5 million home in La Jolla, California, in May 2008. ("I wanted to be where I could hear the waves," Romney told the AP of his move to the West Coast.) Thereafter, Romney became a regular at California political events, even campaigning for Meg Whitman during her gubernatorial bid. A year later, in April 2009, the Romneys sold their home in Belmont, Massachusetts, for $3.5 million, and registered to vote from an address in the basement of an 8,000 square-foot Belmont manse owned by their son Tagg. ..........

goclark

(30,404 posts)
13. Excellent idea
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 11:49 AM
Jul 2012

He is so power and money hungry ~ I think they should wait to bring it up with full force the day after the convention~

Go to Jail Mitt, go directly to jail!

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
19. Somewhat agree with a big BUT!
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jul 2012

(with one "T) We are always keeping out powder dry.

In this case I say hit them with everything at all times. (In Basketball terminology a full court press) If they replace him then they get painted as a corrupt Party incapable of selecting a proper candidate.

Also, although I think Mitt was a bad choice, anyone they push out there will have baggage to be exploited.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
15. Well folks ...
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jul 2012

Perhaps Mittens was wearing his Lair lair pants on fire magic pants at the time, or?

But to me it really is not important where he votes from as long as he does it once in every election, and only once. I don't rightly care if he is a land owner or not, as lots of us are not. I don't care if he uses a P.O. Box, although he couldn't get his jet-ski in the little door.

I think paying a little more attention to Mittens as a screaming fool and someone that runs on no platform to try and get to President in a corporate party that will take away lots of rights from citizens should be more to the point!

Think about it folks, This item has been around and you know there will be no conclusion to this, when we can't find out where Mitt puts his money or his tax returns.
 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
23. This is a huge issue, a felony violation of a state law by an ex-governor, quite important
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jul 2012

and not to be ignored. At least not until November.
For the moment, let them nominate Richard M. Nixon Jr.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
24. Perhaps we can get a package deal ...
Sun Jul 8, 2012, 11:17 PM
Jul 2012

Ann Coulter and Mitts. Both it seemed did fraudulent voting and they won't even have to explain to anyone, let alone a Judge.

It is only important if it happens, which it won't.

I could be like Mitt and bet ten thousand dollars that he will never and probably Ann Coulter will never see the inside of a courthouse regarding this.

On the other hand Nixon was going to stop the war and Mitt is going to bring back the Country from the edge of liberalism, both without telling us how they will do that?

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
30. It's not about Mitt...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

It's about the fact that the GOP is using (false) cases of what Romney actually *did* in order to remove tens of thousands of legal voters from the rolls this year.

If their standard bearer has committed the very crime they pretend that massive numbers of American Democratic-leaning voters are committing, it'll be a helluva lot harder for them to make the case of disenfranchising all of those voters.

Or you could just choose to ignore it as you seem to suggest everyone else do. Up to you.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
31. Well I will ignore Mitts votes because ...
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jul 2012

I don't see any him being in a court or spending some time in the stony lonesome, ever. It would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. Again it is time for thing's like Bain and off shore bank accounts to work, for the election.

Is not the election and the possible results that will come more important to cover now than Mitts voting record?

Oh and by the way what the GOP, does in the states, in their case of voter fraud has nothing to do with Mitts transgression.

I'm just tired of people that can't understand that things like the election are more important than having Mitt or Bush or whoever else can go to jail. It ain't going to happen.

So have fun. Don't break a sweat, because the end result will not happen as you want it to.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
25. That Raises Other Questions As Well
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jul 2012

When did Romney register in MA at his son's unfinished basement. Where did Romney vote in 2008 -- battleground NH or Democratic MA?

Also, when Romney filed for a 2011 tax extension he indicated he expected a tax refund of $200,000. Could it be that a significant part of that large adjustment could be related to State income taxes for 2010 that he conviently left out of his preliminary estimate (that's not worth the paper it's written on due to the unexplained very large adjustment).

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
27. In elections before and after where has he voted?
Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:01 AM
Jul 2012

That could prove fraud. If he was registered and did vote in multiple places, it would be illegal.

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