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Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
Tue May 30, 2017, 05:23 PM May 2017

Please give me your opinions about Represent.US

Do any of you oppose them? Do you think they're naive? Some other complaint?

I'm considering volunteering for them, but perhaps one or more of you will convince me it's not worth my time? Action without forethought strikes me as foolish.

Their website: https://represent.us/

Short videos explaining the problem and their solution:



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Please give me your opinions about Represent.US (Original Post) Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 OP
First off... lapfog_1 May 2017 #1
I don't consider the parties equal in that regard. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #2

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
1. First off...
Tue May 30, 2017, 05:54 PM
May 2017

Bullshit.

The two parties (Democrats and Repukes) are NOT equally guilty in this corruption machine.

Second, they likely fudged a *lot* of math here...

They need to show time as a function of whether or not a bill that is publicly supported (or not) becomes a law. The claim made is that Citizens United didn't change the amount of corruption... but my intuition tells me otherwise.

Second, we don't live in a pure democracy (witness President Trump). We live in a representative democracy. That means that not all laws passed SHOULD be law by the simple fact that more than 50% (or even much higher) people support such a law.

There was a study done when I was in college that asked the public if they would support a collection of laws. Between anywhere from 60% to 80% disagreed that those laws should be on the books... the catch... the laws presented were the Bill of Rights (without any reference to that fact). 60% of the people would have voted against the bill of rights!

I also note that they claim that a bill almost no one supports has a 30% chance of becoming law and a bill that almost everyone supports has about a 30% chance... what about all of the intervening support? There are also bills introduced that are done so by the representative KNOWING themselves that it will never become a law (a show horse).

I know Congress is corrupt. Money corrupts everything. But don't fall for the implication that both parties are equal and don't fall for the "its been this way since the dawn of polling data". These are not proven facts in their presentation.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
2. I don't consider the parties equal in that regard.
Tue May 30, 2017, 06:20 PM
May 2017

I saw the study by Princeton a few years ago that showed Democratic and Republican representatives were not the same.in how they represented the poor, the middle class and the wealthy.

I didn't need to see their study to be aware of those differences, of course. Republicans were predictably more likely to support laws that helped the wealthy.

The video indicated that Citizens United is only one piece of the problem.

Anything else about it? Specifically, does anyone think that their "solution" won't help matters at all?

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