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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Comey hits a home run Chump will be at 30% approval by next Sunday.
God's speed, James Brien Comey Jr. We are in a battle for the soul of a nation.
mucifer
(23,545 posts)Remember what he did right before the presidential election. I don't trust him. I hope I'm wrong.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)California_Republic
(1,826 posts)I expect: Some minor new news....... but mostly I expect
'I am unable to comment due to the on going investigation'
'I am unable to comment due to the on going investigation'
'I am unable to comment due to the on going investigation'
'I am unable to comment due to the on going investigation'
'I am unable to comment due to the on going investigation'
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Truth, facts, morality, patriotism, decency, even their children's futures, are not part of their decisionmaking process. Partisanship is everything.
W's supporters stayed with him for 7-3/4 years. They reelected him after he betrayed them and proved himself a liar and a failure--because he was the Republican candidate. Only at the very end, when they were forced to realize they'd backed a "loser," did his ratings on the right drop into the low 30s, and then at the very, very very end into the teens--briefly. As you'll recall, he's widely admired among them again now, though.
Rump is their Republican president now.
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)thousands of US military deaths, and 10s of thousands of injuries, a huge hurricane response failure... etc.
The final nail was the housing collapse and the loss of 10s of trillions of middle-class wealth.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The right has mostly been turned into one big unified attack dog. They don't need to be told anything but that we support something to rally against it. If we support it, it's bad. If it's bad we did it.
The same holds true, actually, for a good number on the farther left who've been turned by right-wing and left-wing propaganda (often hard to distinguish from each other), whether generated in our nation or from outside enemies, against the only healthy, principled, functional political party America currently has.
This is the reality of our era, when we all exist in a blizzard of corrupted, fake information launched as weapons against us.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He was the first one to confirm Chump was under investigation and allowed his agents to say Chump obstructed justice.
Beside that he has no incentive to play nice with Chump after Chump disrespected him and trashed him in the press.
mucifer
(23,545 posts)He chose to publicize Hillary's emails and not speak about the trump investigation. I don't trust him. Maybe now that he was personally screwed he will be motivated to take down trump with the truth . That's what I'm hoping for.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Comey said the thought of helping Chump made him "nauseous."
mucifer
(23,545 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)A partisan shill covering his ass. As in, "Oh, it makes me feel so bad. "
I'm sure we'll get more on "Hillary's emails" - and more of the year long stonewall on Trump.
Comey won't be cashin' in by betraying 'the right.' That's his bread and butter.
He's just going to clarify how Trump misunderstood poor Comey.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Is that how human nature works ?
The Republicans are already saying he's an unhinged and disgruntled former employee. Is he just going to take it in the ---?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Here's what we should expect (Comey being Lucy, of course):
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"He was wearing a blue blazer and noticed that the drapes were blue. So he stood in the back, right in front of the drapes, hoping Trump wouldnt notice him camouflaged against the wall."
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)tblue37
(65,377 posts)can't twist his words the way they and their Dear Leader have been doing with his private comments (like Cheato's claim that Coney assured him three times that he was not under investigation).
Even open testimony gets twisted. Brennan and Clapper never said there was no evidence against Trump, but Trump keeps claiming they said that, and his minions keep catapulting that bit of propaganda, despite its repeated debunking.
But at least we have the video to prove they are not telling the truth about what Clapper and Brennan said. They also twisted the things Comey said the first time he testified at a hearing, but again, we had the video to prove otherwise.
Comey wants his words to be public and recorded for future public examination, because he knows he has to block GOP efforts to lie about what he says.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Anything is possible.
Remove the names from the players.
Does it make sense X would defend Y after Y showed him the door and called him a "showboat", a "grandstander" , and a" nut case" as he exited ?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"I can't speak on an ongoing investigation and classified material" like he does in these public forums.
I am amazed that Democrats consider this person to be a credible, helpful source!
He stirred up more shit "declaring Hillary innocent" multiple times than he would have just referring it all to an "unreasonable" prosecutor like he was supposed to!
I'm just saying Comey is not anyone we should be hanging our hats on to take Trump down.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)It was confirmed by senators that Comey told them this was a factor - but he never mentioned it was likely a 'planted fake.'
This "good, honest man" has a lot to answer for.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Also - the mere fact Muller was appointed right after Comey means Comey planned for this, and that alone is a good sign.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)you are about to be sorely disappointed.
enid602
(8,620 posts)And yet, I remember a journalist asking Comey after the election why he publicized Clinton's woes, but not tRump's. He responded that he did not intentionally make a big deal about Clinton's emails, but rather sent a letter to Congress that was considered confidential. Chaffetz decided to publicize the letter on his Twitter feed. But more importantly, Comey said at the time that he could not bring up tRump, because tRump was just a speck in a much LARGER investigation that the Bureau has been working on for DECADES. Let that sink in.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"On Friday, FBI Director James B. Comey sent a letter to Congress saying the bureau is investigating additional emails that appear relevant to the Hillary Clinton email case. Soon after, he sent a note to his employees explaining his decision."
To all:
This morning I sent a letter to Congress in connection with the Secretary Clinton email investigation. Yesterday, the investigative team briefed me on their recommendation with respect to seeking access to emails that have recently been found in an unrelated case. Because those emails appear to be pertinent to our investigation, I agreed that we should take appropriate steps to obtain and review them.
Of course, we dont ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations, but here I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed. I also think it would be misleading to the American people were we not to supplement the record. At the same time, however, given that we dont know the significance of this newly discovered collection of emails, I dont want to create a misleading impression. In trying to strike that balance, in a brief letter and in the middle of an election season, there is significant risk of being misunderstood, but I wanted you to hear directly from me about it.
Jim Comey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/28/read-the-letter-comey-sent-to-fbi-employees-explaining-his-controversial-decision-on-the-clinton-email-investigation/?utm_term=.93b910a8a948
enid602
(8,620 posts)Jason Chaffetz
✔ @jasoninthehouse
FBI Dir just informed me, "The FBI has learned of the existence of emails that appear to be pertinent to the investigation." Case reopened
9:57 AM - 28 Oct 2016
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onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)And believes himself to have morals and ethics. He was clearly worried about 45 because he took note of his concerns in writing after any interaction with him.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Maybe he believes in the rule of law and is as sick as the rest of us how Chump and his criminal associates flaunt it.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)emulatorloo
(44,129 posts)But ymmv
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 4, 2017, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)
I'll be curious to learn where Chump's assertion that Comey told him he was (NOT) * under investigation three times comes from. I suspect Comey said he couldn't comment.
EDITED TO ADD "NOT"
tblue37
(65,377 posts)Quixote1818
(28,942 posts)The story about blending in with the curtains is not made up. He sees Trump as a slime-bag. However, I agree not to get too excited because there is only so much detail he can go into in this kind of format.
emulatorloo
(44,129 posts)in the open hearing.
That's a good start.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Trump said he was a grandstander and showboat and told the freaking Russian ambassador he was a nut case.
Why would Comey defend him after that?
It turns human nature on its head.
Quixote1818
(28,942 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Nothing will be earth shattering on Thursday!
emulatorloo
(44,129 posts)The assholes are def running scared.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029157577
Conservatives torch Comeys credibility ahead of Senate hearing
By Katie Glueck
WILMINGTON, N.C.
Washington will be riveted this week by the drama surrounding former FBI Director James Comeys expected congressional testimony.
But Republicans elsewhere in the country say they couldnt care less.
snip//
Nationally, both Republican and Democratic lawmakers, operatives and donors have expressed alarm about the complicated, multifaceted issue of Russian involvement in an American election, some of which Comey is expected to speak to this week. Some, like Rep. Mike Simpson, a Republican of Idaho, have vouched for his credibility, especially given reports that he has contemporaneous notes from conversations with Trump.
But at this convention, which offered a snapshot of the Republican grassroots, many considered the broader Russia issue as, at best, a distraction from issues like health care and the economy. And others saw the swirling questions around Russiaincluding the Comey investigation and coming testimonyas pure partisanship driven by Democrats and the media to undermine the legitimacy of Donald Trumps victory last November.
The whole thing with Russia is nonsense, says Jim Gannon, a GOP activist in North Carolina.
Theyre desperately trying to justify why Hillary Clinton lost other than saying Democratic policies arent acceptable to people, said Gannon. This whole thing is a pretty desperate attempt at partisan politics. Wow, the Russians swung the election. What did they do, come and vote? No.
U.S. intelligence experts, including former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, have been adamant that Moscow did in fact interfere with the 2016 campaign, and intelligence officials have said Russia pushed for hacking of Democratic officials emails. Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied this, saying in a recent interview with NBCs Megyn Kelly that such an order could have come from anyone, including from Americans.
more...
I just googled Jim Gannon and can't find any real info. This is a random dude on the street. Okay.
YCHDT
(962 posts)I am expecting nothing more than the usual bs.... I don't trust the man but I hope I am wrong.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Yeah, "God's speed, James Brien Comey Jr. We are in a battle for the soul of a nation."
TheBlackAdder
(28,203 posts).
Is he trying to not only distract from Comey's television coverage, but interfere in UK politics?
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Raine1967
(11,589 posts)This is from a March 2017 article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/01/donald-trump-postpones-state-visitto-britain-amid-fears-will/
The Sun report that the visit is now expected to take place from 5 to 8 October, in an attempt to avoid mass protests.
TheBlackAdder
(28,203 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)the investigation into Flynn and/or Russian election interference I don't see how that wouldn't be obstruction of justice. Fingers crossed.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TEB
(12,851 posts)Who knows they'll probably try , spaghetti incident if it sticks will use it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)They are going to argue he of thousands of legal suits didn't know what he was doing was tantamount to "obstructing justice."
TEB
(12,851 posts)But your correct they will try use it. I'm fed up with there circus on LSD.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I suspect he knows it and will be prepared.
TEB
(12,851 posts)TEB
(12,851 posts)CruZ and the other first timer who claimed his law degree total idiots
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Although I think the GrOPers will find some way of making this okay for the Fraudulent Frog.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)To assure us that Trump's terrible numbers are no worse than Bill Clinton's were.
NPR, proud member of The Liberal Media.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Flaw One- Bill Clinton's disapproval never got as high as Chump's disapproval.
Flaw Two- Clinton started his tenure as pres with approximately 60% approval so he had a relatively high approval rating he could return to. Chump started at 45% and is sinking
Flaw Three- Bill Clinton didn't intentionally try to divide the nation.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)They're very good at what they do, and what they do is normalize Republican extremism.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)His numbers have DECLINED less than other presidents, they say.
Which means nothing because his numbers STARTED extremely low, so of course they haven't dropped as quickly. They're already near the bottom, whereas Obama started in the 60s and that was never going to last.
What a bullshit article.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)I've got a feeling after being called a "nutjob" he'll be out to draw blood.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thurday, 10:00 A.M. EST
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think his floor is about 35%. Deplorables will believe whatever it takes to keep supporting him and his hatred of Brown people.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He has a floor but it's not 2 points lower than it is today.
If everything breaks right for us he can end up in the high twenties/low thirties.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'm close to writing off about a third of the electorate.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... or not report it at all.
Right now, outside of hugging a brown person they will support him
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)A tough number to attain but may be possible with our resident WH idiot.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)in preparation for 2020!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Carter, Reagan, Clinton, W, and Obama were in the 40s and their parties got shellacked in the mid terms. We are in uncharted territory.
Doodley
(9,092 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)If there is a discussion by comey that trump pressured him to drop investigation of Russia, trump admin, trump campaign committee...all hell will break out. Trumps base won't abandon him but we could see low 30's approval and a growing number of conservatives running from trump....
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If anything, his approval will go up slightly.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)What's the mechanism if the lede in the news is "James Comey- "Trump asked me to obstruct justice" ?
He is at 37%:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx
Will more Americans approve of him when they learn he tried to obstruct justice from the horse's mouth ?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Look at recent history: From April 3 to April 24, his approval rating went up 8 points. They dropped again but then they went up 5 points from May 15 to May 23. Think of what revelations came out during that period. May 16 is the day the NY Times article was published with the Comey memo where Trump asked him to end the Flynn investigation.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)gulliver
(13,181 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)What people make of his testimony is up to them.
What we do know is that he is essentially an honest man, wrote memos contemporaneously with conversations, made a couple of big screwups (the press conf, then the October surprise), and a few other things.
He will be attacked, but if he sticks with the facts, he'll come out with his integrity intact. I think he is at heart an honorable government intelligence man.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)At 27% they will not publicly oppose Democrats starting impeachment process.
At 25% he's toast.
Impeachment is about politics, they couldn't survive as a party with that low approval and they will eat him.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The original statement was Comey's treatment of Hillary Clinton, it was a lie but he tried to sell this. Though I was not happy Comey made I do not think it rose to the level of firing. In fact if President Obama called Comey to his office and said lines which trumpy did to get the email investigations stopped, I would have thought it was obstruction of justice. With the follow up of trumpy firing Comey and trumpy's interview saying he was going to fire Comey, his decision.
H2O Man
(73,555 posts)for Mr. Comey to hit a grand slam.
That preparation includes knowing what to expect. It is apparent from reading parts of this thread that too many people do not. He will be testifying primarily upon his interactions with Trump. And responding to some faded attacks from at least one republican.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)She is on the Intelligence Committee, she was a lawyer, and her name pops up as a potential presidential candiate in 2020...In my view, Thursday is a golden opportunity for her....
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,709 posts)that won't budge no matter what he does. If he's at 38-ish now, that is likely to erode but probably not below about 35% unless/until he's outed as a Russian spy or something equally criminal. Nixon's lowest was about 26%, and that was at the time he resigned. There were (and probably still are) people who thought Nixon was framed, even after the "smoking gun" tape became public.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,709 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)especially among lazy bastards who rely on television to inform them. Give it about 2-3 weeks to go mouth to mouth and then sink in.
And that's if Comey doesn't come off as a sour grapes spitting fired employee.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)Trump is encouraging another terrorist attack. (Chatter in the twitter/IC is speculating that Putin is funding the attacks.)
Trumpy may be bucking for a crisis to divert from Comey's killer testimony. Trumpy is shifting into panic mode. It's do or die for him.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)This will not be widely watched, not by the group required to abandon Trump if he were to free fall all the way to 30%.
Since it won't be watched everything depends on interpretation, and the right wing spin machines will be in full force.
Too many people around here think the right wingers are looking at the same variables and sources and conclusions we are. It's not even close. You basically can't move the perspective meter far enough before you catch them.
Even if Comey is prepared I'm sure there will be aspects he simply can't comment on, or doesn't feel comfortable taking the assumptions far enough to damn Trump.
I fully expect to be disappointed. There's a reason Watergate stands alone. Every time something is compared it's mostly Happy Adjusters reaching for the extremes.
I would be very satisfied for Trump to remain at current approval range. We should be doing registration drives right now, as I mentioned yesterday. I default to big picture logic, which includes the likelihood that Trump's numbers will bounce back upward. You very rarely have sustained stretches of implosion and bad news, without something happening that works in favor of the president, even if he doesn't deserve it.