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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCareful, Donald. You are waking up a sleeping GIANT
called America. People here are not willing to walk to their graves just yet. You are in for a big surprise and it can't come too soon. I hope it starts with Comey.
p.s. we are not ALL stupid, as you are about to find out.
malaise
(275,410 posts)Rec
CaliforniaPeggy
(151,382 posts)I hope it starts with Comey too.
NWProf
(51 posts)No one in this world, so far as I knowand I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help mehas ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.
'Notes On Journalism' in the Chicago Tribune (19 September 1926)
BigmanPigman
(52,129 posts)I just saw it last week and thought of our fake prez.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)using him and the entire right to achieve their goals. I'm afraid it's also the conservative electorate, who might as well be crazy or mindless idiots because they vote like, well, like that figurative ring really is in their noses. But they're a minority, and I so hope you're right about the kick in the butt they're delivering to the political sleepers.
The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. ― Plato, 3rd or 4th century BC.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)You rock Plato
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)frustration and fear all those centuries ago, and ever since as well. Yet we keep stumbling ahead, even if it averages something like 9 steps back for 10 forward.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)and then fight for it to break through the apathy.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that strikes me as every bit as clueless as what most on the right are saying.
While others are being so usefully distracted by rump's circus performances, why not look around and find out what else is going on, mostly behind the scenes? What the right-wing extremists driving the real current economic and social policy are up to?
I've give you a kick-start: The worst of the extremists, including the Koch caucus in the House are fighting for: NO government programs or regulations/constraints on business and personal gathering of wealth beyond those strictly necessary for personal and national security, plus elimination of all civil rights laws, plus radical reinterpretation of the Constitution to make it possible. No, nada, zilch. They're nuts who want to take us back to the 19th Century.
Destruction of all New Deal programs and all those expanding on them in the decades since, most civil rights laws, plus repeal of most regulations/constraints on business is the least the least extreme Republican blocs want. They want to take us back mostly to the 1920s, with a few limited advances here and there allowed to remain to please middle class voters.
Compared to Republicans of Reagan's days and before, though, they've virtually all become extremists. And right now they are very busily advancing their goals, tearing away at and dismantling our governments, federal and red state, from the inside.
1890. It isn't FDR they are after it's Teddy. He was the radical. He was the one who said government should interfere with business. They want to take us back to the company store, Pinkertons using axe handles and shotguns on union organisers, robber barons, slums(they are all slumlords), and the absolute rule of the rich. My biggest fear is that the far left is right, that we are incapable of making this work and we need to dump it all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the propertied families/business interests that had been taking it over ever since Lincoln. (Or so I "remember" from long ago.) And when he failed, then he lead the party's progressives back to a Democratic Party that had been all but destroyed by frontier conservative influx and mostly irrelevant since the Civil War. Thank goodness!
My fear is that current attempts to woo the far left over to join conservatives in support of some charismatic authoritarian leader could succeed. That's how democracies destroy themselves.
sab390
(200 posts)We need to fix not destroy.
Leghorn21
(13,649 posts)Schneiderman, NY AG.
For starters.
Oh hell yeah.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,660 posts)randr
(12,457 posts)it will be the roar once he has awoken.
bora13
(860 posts)Chief: "Papa says if you don't watch it people will force you one way or the other,
into doing what they think you should do, or into being mule-stubborn and
doing the opposite out of spite."
Sounds like t-rump people to a tee (teepee?)
azureblue
(2,258 posts)He has friends all over the world, too and they are pissed at Trump..
When this is over, Trump will be lucky own a pair of shoes. Don't forget, Trump is using the presidency to delay the pay backs of the money he borrowed from Russians. And when he is no longer President, they will come calling. Trump knows this, which is why he is starting to flail about - he sees his doom and is trying everything to avoid it.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)tiptonic
(765 posts)Whats even worse for Comrade Benedict donald is, now he's pissed off my wife. God help him now..
PatSeg
(49,539 posts)Sometimes, we underestimate ourselves.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)catbyte
(35,340 posts)And I'm an atheist.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,511 posts)Mine is in short supply.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)MFM008
(19,960 posts)Maybe that's why he decided it was a good idea to shoot Bears when they're hibernating with their little cubs.