We can't wait for Mueller.

[Stonepounder]

Trump needs to go now. Whether you are for him or against him, he has to go. He obviously has something wrong with his brain and is incapable of functioning as President.

-Asks Presbyterian ministers if Presbyterians are 'Christian'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029162546

-Trump doubles-down says call Executive Order whatever you want, it is still a 'travel ban'
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/05/politics/trump-travel-ban-courts/

-Picks a fight with the Mayor of London for telling people to 'stay calm' then has his staff claim it wasn't picking a fight.

-Refuses to confirm Article 5 of the NATO treaty.

-Leaks classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office

-Wants to slash Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and gut the ACA

I'm sure you can think of many others, including that fact that he can't even find people to work for him in high ranking government jobs - Like Head of the FBI, Head of FEMA, Chief of Staff, and so on, yet blames the Democrats.

These are not the actions of a normal, rational man with a clear agenda. These are the actions of a mentally disturbed man, possibly suffering from early stages of dementia. By the nature of things, the Mueller investigation will take too long. We, as a nation, can't afford to wait. We need for Congress to start seriously looking into Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution of the U.S.

[elleng]

1. No choice, 'unfortunately.'

Even tho some (like trump) don't like it, this IS a country of LAWS, and we must watch and wait.

(Coincidentally I'm watching House of Cards, and not sure which is preferable, DARK fiction or DARK life.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. How is that supposed to happen "now"?

Investigations take time. Impeachment takes time. Even an Article 25 removal takes time. Unless he resigns voluntarily or some unfortunate illness or event overtakes him, he's not going to be gone soon.

[elleng]

5. WITH YOU, Ocelot.

[Stonepounder]

6. Congress could get it done quickly if they wanted to.

Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness', say psychiatry experts at Yale conference.
Mental health experts say President is 'paranoid and delusional'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dangerous-mental-illness-yale-psychiatrist-conference-us-president-unfit-james-gartner-a7694316.html

Contact a couple of dozen of these psychiatrists. They could confirm his unfitness for office pretty quickly.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Who controls Congress?

Trump could be roller skating around the White House naked, singing opera and claiming to be Louis XIV and the GOPers won't touch him as long as the deplorables in their districts keep supporting him.

[oxbow]

16. Do you think more mental health experts speaking out will help?

I mean, I know it wouldn't hurt. Just not convinced it would change his base's minds (what, with that whole war on science thing they've got going these days)

[BigmanPigman]

13. "Unfortunate" illness or event... for him and his base, "fortunate" for sane patriots.

[FM123]

4. Maybe Melania can "convince" him to resign

[SoCalMusicLover]

10. That's HILARIOUS!!

She's bought and paid for. She knows her place, and was quickly put back there after pulling her hand away and embarrassing her boss.

I'm guessing she signed a fairly iron clad prenup, so keeps her mouth shut except when asked to say something. She's a slimeball just like her man.

[Egnever]

22. My bet

It's the best thing to happen for her in a while.

She gets to get away from him and gets status. Win win for her.

[Shandris]

7. ...nah.

I'm waiting for the investigation. I'll either see him crucified fairly and legally, or I'll see him serve out his term (painful though it be) or him get impeached by his peers for Constitutional reasons.

What I won't be doing is buying into the polarization schema. I know where this leads and I"m not willing to follow anyone there.

[chillfactor]

8. I lived through Watergate...

we waited two years for the whole thing to be solved. I would prefer that Mueller did a thorough job so that all of the asshats end up behind bars.

[bresue]

18. Did Nixon resign before his staff was prosecuted?

Or were the prosecutions before? And did the media follow these prosecutions?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. The staff were prosecuted first.

The "burglars" were convicted in January of 1973. On March 1, 1974, a grand jury indicted Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Mitchell, Colson, Strachan, Mardian and Parkinson for conspiring to interfere with the investigation, and also secretly named Nixon as an unindicted co-conspirator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal (The media followed these prosecutions very diligently and thoroughly.) Nixon didn't resign until August of 1974, after the Supreme Court ordered the disclosure of the "smoking gun" tape.

[bresue]

21. Nixon was a jerk.....to let his men drown while he was watching!!!

but I can see Dump doing the same thing...sad! Did anyone report or suggest that he was a coward because of this?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

24. Nixon threw his staff under the bus, of course.

This was in effect a cover-up of the cover-up, because by March of 1973 Nixon knew he had to figure out a way to distance himself from Haldeman, Erlichmann and Dean because they could link him to the original cover-up of the DNC burglary. He fired all of them but then Dean rolled on him.

[bresue]

25. Thank you....now I see how this might go down....

if Mueller takes out the underlings first...Dump will not protect them. They could/would roll on him, making his fall even faster.

This is going so much faster than Watergate (from what I have observed) that maybe we won't have to wait two years....a person has to hope.

And one reason that I observed Russiagate might go faster than Watergate, is that numerous intel has already been on this case since at least 2015, and with Manafort...even earlier. I believe Mueller has a majority of the information, however with so much data, that at this point Mueller is organizing and preparing the case.

The investigative part of the Russiagate was mostly already done. Or that is how I see it.

[Xolodno]

11. Oh yes we can...and don't have a choice.

Wheels of justice turn slowly. And as long as the cons hold both houses of Congress, well, Dump could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight with numerous witnesses and camera coverage.....and he won't get impeached. He could get charged with murder and thrown into prison....but will not get impeached. His supporters will say the person shot...even if it was Ronold Reagan, deserved it.

Bottom line, because the GOP gerrymandered their districts, to the detriment of their party and country, they have no choice but to attach themselves to this cement block be tossed over the bridge. Only those in swing districts are in trouble, and the fact is, they don't care. Particularly since they are in unfamiliar territory. They spent a long time being the party of "no"...and now, they don't know what to do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. What is this ? Storming of the Bastille day ?

"The foundations of justice are that no one shall suffer wrong; then, that the public good be ..... The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine."

[Stonepounder]

14. It is one thing to have a President whose policies you don't agree with.

It is one thing to have a President who's duties are actually carried out by his wife (Wilson), his Cabinet (Reagan), his Vice President (Bush, Jr.).

It is quite another when the President is carry out the duties without a clue as to how the government works, picks fights with anyone who disagrees with his viewpoint at the moment, or who he thinks is disagreeing with him, who can't find people willing to work for him, and ... who has the nuclear launch codes and is itching for a reason to use them.

And do you really think that the first time we have some sort of violent incident here in the U.S. that can possibly be traced to someone who happens to be Muslim (even if there family has been U.S. citizens for generations), he won't try and declare Martial Law?

[oxbow]

15. Not an option until his poll numbers get significantly lower

Congress won't act until it's their own necks on the chopping block...precious few patriots left on that side of the aisle at present, unfortunately.

They will keep him and use him to pass legislation until he becomes too politically toxic to be associated with, even with the dementia. I know there is urgency around this issue, but the best approach is to do everything you can to bring light to the corruption and incompetence.

On the bright side, we have a lot of opportunities on that front. The Russia investigation will keep grinding away at his popularity. Comey might say something interesting this week, at least about the obstruction of justice charges. Plus, the groper-in-chief has a knack for shooting himself in the foot on the regular. Keep goosing him, keep up the pressure, and keep safe until then.

[MiddleClass]

17. Be careful what you wish for

Right now, one word, stalemate.

No, Paul Ryan, scary agenda damaging people,

No, Mike Pence, scary agenda damaging people,

No, Mitch McConnell, scary agenda damaging people,


the longer this goes on the more, the rednecks are going to give up voting again,

the longer this goes on the more, the Republicans will lose any parcel of support,

like a Band-Aid, pull it off nice and slow and make sure every piece of skin comes with it.

[volstork]

19. Well-put,

and welcome to DU!

[Awsi Dooger]

23. You have had many impressive posts

One of them rattling off a sequence of events made me jealous. My memory used to be that good.